Ed making the U.S a more dangerous place for you and I

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  • CityMouse
    CityMouse Posts: 1,010
    LimeDisease wrote:
    The biggest threat to the safety of americans after the fall of the nazi's and the cold war is not iran, iraq or afghanistan - it is itself. Most Americans have no idea how feared and loathed they are, and how their own actions/inaction has made it a pretty harsh place to live (at least the eastern half). Hope I never go back. I mean, most people think that the 'war' is for their own safe conduct = ridiculous.

    Take Iran. Israel and the USA are leaders in exacting the tenets of nuclear non proliferation treatises from them. WTF? Both are nuclear powers. It's so glaringly hypocritical. The USA pumps huge dollars unconditonally to supporty Israel who MAY be committing war crimes in the middle east on your dollars. Hmmm, maybe that stirred up the 'bad guys', or maybe it was Eddie Vedder in Mansfield Mass. I doubt it, for all the storm troopers in the area I'd say things were prety much under control.

    der I forgot to add WWII- it was probably important to get rid of hitler, yes. never quite understood what WWI had to do with us though.
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    CityMouse wrote:
    der I forgot to add WWII- it was probably important to get rid of hitler, yes. never quite understood what WWI had to do with us though.

    Also, WWII was kind of important to keep the Japanese from bombing us.
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  • CityMouse
    CityMouse Posts: 1,010
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Also, WWII was kind of important to keep the Japanese from bombing us.

    that didn't have much to do with free speech though.
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    CityMouse wrote:
    that didn't have much to do with free speech though.

    Huh?
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  • John Briggs 2008
    John Briggs 2008 Posts: 1,024
    CityMouse wrote:
    that didn't have much to do with free speech though.

    It's not about free speech alone. It's simply apart of the US Constitution and the defense and preservation of it as a whole. That was my point. Regardless, all armed forces take an oath to do so and will be called upon at any given time to do so in time of need where called upon. Simply an explanation of what the poster was referring to overall. Nothing more my friend.

    With our current status in the world I am a skeptic of our political government though and that government is in control of the military and one reason after 12 years of service in the armed forces that I left. The political government does more to strip us of our rights than to protect them though. Patriot act is enough proof of that to name only a few actions taken by our government over the last 8 years.
  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Wait. Let me get this straight. You think Saddam prevented terrorism against the U.S?

    Wow.


    Let me ask you (or anyone with your views) an absolutely honest question that I would love to see a detailed and thoughtful reply to, no matter what is said in return.......

    Do you think the United States has done anything -policy, history, engagements, economics, etc. - that has caused, promoted or accelerated terrorism to develop in the world?
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    Tackalac wrote:
    Let me ask you (or anyone with your views) an absolutely honest question that I would love to see a detailed and thoughtful reply to, no matter what is said in return.......

    Do you think the United States has done anything -policy, history, engagements, economics, etc. - that has caused, promoted or accelerated terrorism to develop in the world?

    Well, yeah. I don't know that that's some big mystery unraveled.
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  • billybob7088
    billybob7088 Raleigh, NC Posts: 128
    Tackalac wrote:
    Let me ask you (or anyone with your views) an absolutely honest question that I would love to see a detailed and thoughtful reply to, no matter what is said in return.......

    Do you think the United States has done anything -policy, history, engagements, economics, etc. - that has caused, promoted or accelerated terrorism to develop in the world?

    Yes!!!!

    The Bush's close relationship with the Saudi arabian families is the number 2 reason for terrorsim agaisnt us. The Cole bombing, Kobar towers, and 9/11. All those acts where done by the saud's and friends

    #1 reason
    The support of Isreal Sate
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  • billybob7088
    billybob7088 Raleigh, NC Posts: 128
    Oh i forgot the supplying of the taliban in Afagan agaisnt the soviets.

    Also dont forget the envolement of the CIA with Sadam to fight iran in the 80's
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  • smithnic
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    billybob7088 wrote:
    Yes!!!!

    The Bush's close relationship with the Saudi arabian families is the number 2 reason for terrorsim agaisnt us. The Cole bombing, Kobar towers, and 9/11. All those acts where done by the saud's and friends


    That is not as cut and dry as it seems.
    our military bases in Saudi Arabia and continued exploitation and military action in the "holy land" is what pisses people off.

    That and our unilateral support of Israel
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  • morgie2
    morgie2 Posts: 1,065
    finnannie wrote:
    Indeed.

    Besides, Pearl Jam tries to promote Peace. Make love not war ;)

    Peace.

    everyone loves peace, but we don't live in Fantasyland. There are BAD people in this world that use terrorism and fear. They hurt others. Sometimes you need to stand up to bullys (Saddam, Hitler, Bin Laden etc.). And sometimes you get bloodied in the process. I love Eddie, his music, his passion, and his patriotism, but I disagree with alot of his views. I think it's a little hypocritical to be angry at censorship (Chicago show) and then censor the Marines for their recruiting "booth".
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  • morgie2
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    smithnic wrote:
    That is not as cut and dry as it seems.
    our military bases in Saudi Arabia and continued exploitation and military action in the "holy land" is what pisses people off.

    That and our unilateral support of Israel

    The government of Saudi Arabia wants us in the "Holy Land". The only people we are "pissing off" are the terrorists and extremists. It's similar to Northern Ireland. The IRA (a very small minority of the people) say England should get out, yet the majority of the "commonfolk" don't mind England's presence there.
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  • fuck
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    morgie2 wrote:
    The government of Saudi Arabia wants us in the "Holy Land".
    Only because we're filling their pockets with money.
    The only people we are "pissing off" are the terrorists and extremists.
    That's what the media tells you.
  • Rhinocerous Surprise
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    Is this train moving, or is just me? :p
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  • slightofjeff
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    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    Is this train moving, or is just me? :p

    Yeah, I just got this weird feeling that I can't be neutral anymore ...
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  • Vedder316
    Vedder316 Posts: 205
    morgie2 wrote:
    everyone loves peace, but we don't live in Fantasyland. There are BAD people in this world that use terrorism and fear. They hurt others. Sometimes you need to stand up to bullys (Saddam, Hitler, Bin Laden etc.). And sometimes you get bloodied in the process. I love Eddie, his music, his passion, and his patriotism, but I disagree with alot of his views. I think it's a little hypocritical to be angry at censorship (Chicago show) and then censor the Marines for their recruiting "booth".

    Well said
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  • Mohab
    Mohab Posts: 310
    morgie2 wrote:
    everyone loves peace, but we don't live in Fantasyland. There are BAD people in this world that use terrorism and fear. They hurt others. Sometimes you need to stand up to bullys (Saddam, Hitler, Bin Laden etc.). And sometimes you get bloodied in the process. I love Eddie, his music, his passion, and his patriotism, but I disagree with alot of his views. I think it's a little hypocritical to be angry at censorship (Chicago show) and then censor the Marines for their recruiting "booth".


    Standing up to bullies was rhetoric used by Hitler and Bin Laden (against the powers of the west for imposing the economically/socially crippling treaty of Versailles on the German's and against the Israel/US movements against the various 'BAD' guys known as the Muslim world. Not to say much for either of those people who thought nothing of using violence against others to attain some product of their self delusions. Are you really that comfortable in calling yourself 'GOOD'? Whos the big bad global bully Iraq and Saddam? Thats just plain ridiculous and a little amazing to think you actually beleive that.
  • fuck
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    How did Ed censor the marines? He expressed disagreement but it's not like he kicked them out.
  • morgie2
    morgie2 Posts: 1,065
    _outlaw wrote:
    Only because we're filling their pockets with money.


    That's what the media tells you.

    Actually, in my opinion, the media tells us the exact opposite. Same as news that comes out of Iraq and Afganistan. You seldom hear of how are helping to educate girls that were forbidden by law to go to school etc. We hear a daily body count because it sells papers and gets better ratings.
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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    _outlaw wrote:
    How did Ed censor the marines? He expressed disagreement but it's not like he kicked them out.

    I thought that he basically did. At the very least, they were barred from coming back the next night, according to folks here.

    Either way, I don't care. It's his show he can do what he wants.
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