God... Christ... The Bible

keeponrockin wrote:

cornnifer wrote:

keeponrockin wrote:

The burden of proof falls on the one making a claim.

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???
Like the CLAIM that God does not exist? Or the CLAIM that science has all but proven that God does not exist? Don't come at me with this "burden of proof" nonsense. Its pure bullshit. A huge steaming pile.

It is impossible to prove a negative. I.E if I were to claim that Stephen Colbert was in fact Moses, and you were to say 'No he's not', then would you feel the need to PROVE that he isn't?

Yada, yada, yada...
The burden of proof nonsense is a ridiculous fucking load of nonsense and a copout of colossal proportions. i'm literally sick of going over it in this forum.

cornnifer wrote:

Gern Blansten wrote:

I think Bill Maher put it best...."we believe the fairy tale that exists in whatever country we are born in" or something to that effect.

Infinite knowledge from the mind of MIT scholar Bill Maher.

fucking sheesh.

dude...at least he doesn't believe in zombies and talking shrubbery

FiveB247x wrote:

Exactly... I don't need to explain myself via fact or proof, just as long everyone can't do so.. that somehow justifies your position? Gimme a break.

I died yesterday, rose from the dead today and I call myself god. Prove me wrong.

cornnifer wrote:

Yada, yada, yada...
The burden of proof nonsense is a ridiculous fucking load of nonsense and a copout of colossal proportions. i'm literally sick of going over it in this forum.

can I be a disciple? that would be cool

cornnifer wrote:

he still stands wrote:

Here is my opinion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kF04khCSyE

Funny stuff!
i'm not familiar with that guy but he made me laugh. Good show.

Doug Stanhope. Here is another good one of his regarding christianity and religion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS5DaTIF1a0

FiveB247x wrote:

Look at that, I have a follower...sweet!

Nowadays, if you speak to god, perform a miracle or similar, you're crazy, but 2 thousand yrs ago its all ok.

Ain't religion wonderful?

I've always respected the street preachers/Jehovah's Witnesses/Mormons more than the average church goer. At least these people believe so strongly they lay it out there for everyone to see.

Yes they are crazy but that shows a dedication beyond going to church once a week and talking about Jesus on message boards.

Pepe Silvia wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qmglGWMsdk

Nothing but love for Bill Hicks...

FiveB247x wrote:

I don't begrudge people for their beliefs no matter how crazy or polar from mine they may be. I feel people are entitled to make their own decisions and thought processes. But I do have a problem when people say stuff like, this is the way it absolutely is and eveyone else is wrong.

Gern Blansten wrote:

I've always respected the street preachers/Jehovah's Witnesses/Mormons more than the average church goer. At least these people believe so strongly they lay it out there for everyone to see.

Yes they are crazy but that shows a dedication beyond going to church once a week and talking about Jesus on message boards.

agreed....I take special offense because I used to be one of those people

and I was wrong...

cornnifer wrote:

BinFrog wrote:

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It is a humerous quote and yet there is a lot behind it. Why do you believe in what you believe in? Because your parents believe in it, as did their parents and their parents etc etc. Where did the beliefs originate? Groups of people all have those beliefs, and they generally originated from the same area. Coincidence?

A humorous quote? Absolutely. A lot behind it? Meh.

Culture undoubtedly plays some role in the faith of some but you way overgeneralize here. You're going to have to explain to me the millions of Christians in China, Russia, Afghanistan and other places of the world where such faith is not only not the cultural norm and in fact very frowned upon, but the practice of which is illegal and carries a punishment up to and including death. You're going to have to explain to me all of the Muslims, Buddhists, Jews etc. in the united states where such faiths are not the cultural norm. You're going to have to explain to me someone like me who was not raised with my Christian faith and who, throughout adolescence was rather hostile towards it yet came to it completely independent of culture and parental upbringing. Your going to have to explain to me the large number of individuals with no faith at all come to faith through their truly scholarly approach to such matters within many different disciplines. Its not nearly as simple as you make it out to be.

That being said i didn't enter into this thread to discuss Christianity or its merits. i didn't even mention it. i personally don't care what you or anyone else here believes.

The point being you are the religion you are born into....sure there are exceptions....I was born into a christian family and now I'm an atheist.

My kids were born into an atheist household and they consider the Jesus myth laughable. But if I beat them over the head with a bible you can bet they would be believing it.....just like I did when I was a kid.

cornnifer wrote:

A humorous quote? Absolutely. A lot behind it? Meh.

Actually there is a LOT of truth behind it

cornnifer wrote:

You're going to have to explain to me the millions of Christians in China, Russia, Afghanistan and other places of the world where such faith is not only not the cultural norm and in fact very frowned upon, but the practice of which is illegal and carries a punishment up to and including death.

Non sequitor but I'll oblige. These people truly believe in their faith for whatever reason: it gives them hope, or their family and close circle all practice, etc etc.

cornnifer wrote:

You're going to have to explain to me all of the Muslims, Buddhists, Jews etc. in the united states where such faiths are not the cultural norm.

And where do most of them originate from? We're a country that is relatively open to religious freedom. What's your point?

(And as you said in another reply, there are always exceptions so don't bring up random individuals that convert)

cornnifer wrote:

You're going to have to explain to me someone like me who was not raised with my Christian faith and who, throughout adolescence was rather hostile towards it yet came to it completely independent of culture and parental upbringing.

Exceptions. You're in the vast, vast minority.

cornnifer wrote:

Your going to have to explain to me the large number of individuals with no faith at all come to faith through their truly scholarly approach to such matters within many different disciplines. Its not nearly as simple as you make it out to be.

For every one person that comes to a new faith based on intense scholarly research, I'll show you 10,000 who do so because of coercion, proselytizing, peer pressure, lack of eduction & the pressure from missionaries, etc. There is no mass movement of people arriving at beliefs after spending years reading all of the holy books and delving into religious theory and doctrines. Again, there may be a handful here or there, but if you are trying to rule out exceptions, then this is invalid too.


But above all: this argument is a complete change of subject. I don't think anyone here is saying anything that contradicts what you just brought up...so why do I/we have to "explain" anything. There's nothing you said that needs explaining. What you just said in your post does nothing to even remotely give substance to your whole (previous) point. People converting to Christianity doesn't make me "see" that the story of Jesus must be real and absolute. People convert to Islam all the time. Possibly more so than Christianity. What does that prove?

EddieLedBetter wrote:

Why is it so unbelievable?

Well it did supposedly turn George bush's life around, you know he was born again.

Peace