Ed making the U.S a more dangerous place for you and I

Pats54 · July 2008

Shawn Smith Collective wrote:

Dude, Eddie isn't telling people they can't or shouldn't join the military. He's voicing his personal opinion of things and just not allowing them to recruit in an unauthorized manner at his concert. See, that would imply an endorsement by the band and/or the venue. That's not cool. That could be construed as the recruiter using deceipt to sign those very people you claim "do not think for themselves."

Every business operating at a venue has gone to great lengths to do so...the concessionaires, any charity booths, Verizon, etc. You can't just set up shop because you want to.

What he's saying about taking care of his people...fans come to the show to enjoy the band, not be solicited by a recruiter that isn't following rules. If they want to join the military, they can still do so. We'll all be ok even if this guy can't convert a Lib Pearl Jam fan or two at a concert.

Actually they weren't unauthorized. An article I read on boston.com had the concert listed as Pearl Jam (Sponsored or Presented by the US MArines). The must of really pissed Ed off. It does raise an interesting question though. How would a Christian band feel if planned parenthood or NARAL set-up shop at one of their concerts. Probaly the same as Ed.
Ed's comment that he has several friends that are Marines was quite funny as well. It was kind of like saying I have several friends who are African American.

rearviewmiror · July 2008

We are not unsafe if we sign less Marines. it is a sign that the general public does not support this war or it's intentions. We have a very large armed forces and are certainly capable of protecting ourselves. Not to mention that invading Iraq brought no added security as Iraq was not a threat.

WMD people, where were they? they didn't exist. Many great Americans were killed and maimed for no reason.

billybob7088 · July 2008

As a Vet myself I been apart of a few conflicts in my time as a AF medic. It really disturbs me when people make these kind of coments about freedom, securtiy, and patriotism and they never serverd themselves. I have seen what war does its not a pretty site. As a medic I had a very different persepective on war and violence so my opion is much different then the grunt side.

If the orginal post servered himself then great if not then 1. How about you go and join the Marines or 2. Shut the fuck up Ed can say whatever he wants.

Peace and Love

josevolution · July 2008

boy you can tell when a newbee post about ed's stance on war & political issues get with it dude it's ben like this since 92" .....gezzzzzz

Anon · July 2008

nathanastin wrote:

Ed's political views are just about wrong on every front; it's just something I have to grin and bear. NO MORE sucks. He's getting more and more off the deep and an I have a feeling the rest of the band do not feel as strongly with him and probably disagree with a lot. He needs to stop reading the New York Times and moveon.org and other smear sites that spew nothing but lies and hate.

Not being mad at the administration is like not being mad at your uncle and mom for producing you. There are certain things that specific people should not try to create or take care of......the outcome is always something retarded.

Smarter_Than_U · July 2008

I'd guess that recruitment for the armed forces is hampered much more so by the fact that potential recruits are keenly aware of where they are going if they sign up (i.e., Iraq) than anything Eddie Vedder could possibly say.

eduardo · July 2008

NumberTenOx wrote:

What's difficult to understand about that?

Stupid war that has wasted lives, money, and goodwill around the world, all because a bunch of fat government fucks had a brain-dead fantasy about controlling the Middle East's oil reserves.

Yet the troops are there to fight for our freedom and safety. They are people just like me and you, mostly courageously doing what they think is right and necessary, for little pay and less acknowledgement and support.

Our soldiers' lives are being wasted. Having a recruiting station is like saying "the Iraq war is great".

That's what I heard Eddie saying that night.

support this, dont be blind

CityMouse · July 2008

It's not the marines the give us freedom of speech, it's the ideals of the constitution. it's a delusion to believe that when violence is exerted it's "to protect american rights." that's just rhetoric.

I don't think the marines (or any other military branches) should be out recruiting anywhere, especially not a pearl jam concert or any other rock concert. People know the military exists, why do they have to be everywhere "recruiting"? Going to a rock concert is supposed to be a few things: fun, enjoyment, community, even activism as is that case at some pj shows. It is NOT about "sign this piece of paper so you can go to iraq and die."

we had marines in my high school. we were the first school in the state to have jr. ROTC. I thought it was pretty sick to be promoting violence and asking kids to sign their own death papers in a place that is supposedly about scholarship.

Mrs.Vedder78 · July 2008

NumberTenOx wrote:

What's difficult to understand about that?

Stupid war that has wasted lives, money, and goodwill around the world, all because a bunch of fat government fucks had a brain-dead fantasy about controlling the Middle East's oil reserves.

Yet the troops are there to fight for our freedom and safety. They are people just like me and you, mostly courageously doing what they think is right and necessary, for little pay and less acknowledgement and support.

Our soldiers' lives are being wasted. Having a recruiting station is like saying "the Iraq war is great".

That's what I heard Eddie saying that night.

I couldn't have said this any better than you just did.

falcon · July 2008

Interesting thread...

Ed has every right to say what he wants to say about that Marine recruiting station. Iraq is about as dangerous as it gets, and it was our war that made it dangerous. As bad as Saddam was, at least he had control of his country, so from a U.S. standpoint, he pretty much prevented anti-U.S. terrorists from gaining strength in his country. Now it's chaos. A terrorist breeding ground.

Thoughts?

pjalive21 · July 2008

support the troop 100%...have a few friends enlisted serving and not serving anymore

they do alot more than fight wars, but if asked to fight they go and do their job whether the war is just or not...most that i talk to dont even have this mentality if the war is just or not, just the lazy average american sitting at home doing nothing with their lives, whom if you ask the average person on the street they couldnt even tell you who the president is

the troops help to preserve the first amendment right that Ed takes advantage of at almost every show, as much as it gets annoying, he has that right but i hope he remembers who preserves that right each time he spews his rhetoric

CityMouse · July 2008

pjalive21 wrote:

the troops help to preserve the first amendment right that Ed takes advantage of at almost every show, as much as it gets annoying, he has that right but i hope he remembers who preserves that right each time he spews his rhetoric

how do troops help preserve first amendment rights?????

THAT is rhetoric.

the supreme court upholds first amendment rights, not the military.

John Briggs 2008 · July 2008

CityMouse wrote:

how do troops help preserve first amendment rights?????

THAT is rhetoric.

the supreme court upholds first amendment rights, not the military.

Comments like that are absurd to say the least.

CityMouse · July 2008

John Briggs 2008 wrote:

Comments like that are absurd to say the least.

why don't you tell me why it's absurd then?

Yellow Ledbelly · July 2008

I'm late to this discussion but I've read the first three pages and saw several replies that brought up Ed's right to say what he said then calling the OP a hypocrite when he/she mentioned the good ol' U S of A....

One thing...

While Ed and everyone else certainliy has the right to say what they want, it does not mean it is right nor does it mean everyone agrees with it. The right of people to disagree is also one of the most important in our country.

I don't think the OP ever said Ed should not have been allowed to say what he said, the OP just disagreed with it.

The tired old lecture about everybody having the right to say whatever they want whenever they want has been plainly explained by so many on here that we don't need to hear it anymore.....especially not when his right to say whatever you want is not what was in question to start with

By the way, if PJ doesn't want the Marines recruiting at their concerts that's fine by me.

falcon · July 2008

Supporting the troops is not the same thing as supporting the administration. Blindly supporting what Bush has done is ridiculous. Not one person can say we are better off having gone to Iraq. Anyone that does is just covering their ass for a bad decision they made in the past.
That being said, there's very little more honorable than risking your life for your country

freindlyfired · July 2008

Vedder316 wrote:

I know I will probably receive some slack for this but it been on my mind for a few days so here it goes. A few days ago i got the Mansfield 2(great show!). I found what Ed said after whipping to be a bit out of line and it sort of pissed me off. If you do know what he said here is a abbreviated summary. After rocking out whipping he talks about a marine recruiting person being at the first Mansfield show. He then states how some of his best friends are marines and ex-marines and how he supports their work. He goes on to say that he has a relationship with the people there to see the gig and he felt that the marine recruiter there was trying to get them to "bite a poison apple" and "these are our people and we're trying to take care of them", "so there is no marine recruiting center out there, its gone". Ok now I am sure theres a good chance that the marines where not going to get anyone to sign up for the marines at a Pearl Jam concert but what was the harm in having them there? Its those marines and other armed forces branches that fight and die so that Ed can verbally criticize the leaders of the country he lives in. Go to Iran Ed and say some shit about their leaders in front of 15,000 of their citizens, see how that works out for ya. Its those great people that helped rescues victims of hurricane Katrina. Its those great people that keep our country safe ect ect. Now why would Ed want to prevent people from signing up for the marines? (no matter how small the contribution) The armed forces of today rely on future personnel to relieve them in time of war and relief, learn new things and ways to aid them in future conflicts, and to make them more stronger and safer in the numbers ect. Low recruiting numbers effect the troops of today in a very negative way and it angers me Ed contributes to that. Its like we should all thank him for the marine recruiter removal because we all agree with what Eddie thinks. Are there really that many puppets at the shows that Eddie can assume we all wanted the removal? If he felt that bad about a recruiter being there, fine, have them removed for the 2nd show, but dont announce it and assume we all think your a hero for doing so. I think Ed needs to lay off the bottles of wine and watch what he says at shows. It may come back to him some day. I applaud and respect the men and women who want to join the armed forces. I hope the keep doing it, in great numbers. They are the only reason our country safe with leaders like this.

Maybe Ed knows this and is very concerned...

The Department of Defense statistics are alarming — one in three women who join the US military will be sexually assaulted or raped by men in the military.
Department of Defense (DOD), which declared that nearly one-third of a nationwide sample of female veterans seeking health care through the V.A. said they experienced rape or attempted rape during their service. Of that group, 37 percent said they were raped multiple times, and 14 percent reported they were gang-raped

Heineken Helen · July 2008

falcon wrote:

Supporting the troops is not the same thing as supporting the administration. Blindly supporting what Bush has done is ridiculous. Not one person can say we are better off having gone to Iraq. Anyone that does is just covering their ass for a bad decision they made in the past.
That being said, there's very little more honorable than risking your life for your country

supporting the troops is certainly not the same as supporting marine recruitment at a rock concert :cool:

John Briggs 2008 · July 2008

CityMouse wrote:

why don't you tell me why it's absurd then?

The wordings of the current oath of enlistment

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).

Get_Right · July 2008

yeah Ed is making this country more dangerous-what a joke
dont take his politics personally-in fact dont take anyones politics personally

Ed making the U.S a more dangerous place for you and I

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