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  • libragirl
    libragirl Posts: 4,632
    My fiance and his family are Red Sox fans and my family and I are Yankee fans...whatever it's cool there hasn't been any bloodshed yet :p
    These cuts are leaving creases. Trace the scars to fit the pieces, to tell the story, you don't need to say a word.
  • ryan198
    ryan198 Posts: 1,015
    you got it...it comes down to economics and how it works with race/class/gender and who can afford to go to games, and then the fans "performance" while at the stadium from "pizza tossing", "beer dousing", to fighting at Yankee Stadium (3000 got tossed in the game I was at in May), and so on which then speaks to the level of privilege those people have in attending Sox games...those people tend to be white, doing and saying things that they can get away with.
  • ryan198
    ryan198 Posts: 1,015
    libragirl wrote:
    My fiance and his family are Red Sox fans and my family and I are Yankee fans...whatever it's cool there hasn't been any bloodshed yet :p
    LUCK!!! As in good ;)
  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    ryan198 wrote:
    Same thing you're doing to Coco Crisp with Jacoby Ellsbury...the Sawx can do that b/c they have the loot.

    It's a little easier to dump Crisp's 2 year contract at 10 million per year than it is Lugo's contract at 3 years for 27 million. Plus the Sox are still paying half of Renteria's contract to the braves so there is no way they do another salary dump with Lugo.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • ryan198
    ryan198 Posts: 1,015
    Solat13 wrote:
    It's a little easier to dump Crisp's 2 year contract at 10 million per year than it is Lugo's contract at 3 years for 27 million. Plus the Sox are still paying half of Renteria's contract to the braves so there is no way they do another salary dump with Lugo.
    fair enough...I was just tossing out a suggestion that would appease the people who wanted to keep Lowell over picking up A-Rod. I'm just saying that if you can get the best player in baseball then get him, Ortiz and/or Manny as protection in the playoffs is a whole lot more scary than a de-roided Giambi, Posada, or Abreu.
  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    1STmammal2wearPants wrote:
    Well, you'd have to be to go to their games with the prices that they charge. Fenway doesn't cater to the working-class family anymore.

    True, prices are high, and I think that is part of the reason why the Sox have such a large following around the country. It's cheaper to see them in other cities around the country. I know they filled half of the stadium in Philly on their last visit.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • ryan198
    ryan198 Posts: 1,015
    Solat13 wrote:
    True, prices are high, and I think that is part of the reason why the Sox have such a large following around the country. It's cheaper to see them in other cities around the country. I know they filled half of the stadium in Philly on their last visit.
    Again part of a brilliant marketing scheme. Price people out of Fenway, then buy tickets to other team's stadiums and sell trips called DestiNations, or write articles in the Globe outlining how it's cheaper to go to Baltimore for a weekend series than stay at home and do the same. Don't get me wrong, as frustrating as doing this research has been, I have to tip my cap to their creativity within their marketing and sales.
  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    ryan198 wrote:
    fair enough...I was just tossing out a suggestion that would appease the people who wanted to keep Lowell over picking up A-Rod. I'm just saying that if you can get the best player in baseball then get him, Ortiz and/or Manny as protection in the playoffs is a whole lot more scary than a de-roided Giambi, Posada, or Abreu.

    I agree with you that the Sox order is better than the Yanks, but the Sox are not going after A-Rod. They don't like to commit money to players over 35 for more than a year or two. The Manny contract he signed in 2000 would never have happened under the current regime.

    Plus, if they dump the deadweight and resign Lowell and maybe Timlin and Wakefield, their payyroll drops from 143 milllion to 110-115 million and puts them in line with the likes of the Mets, White Sox, Angels, Dodgers and Mariners in having similar payrolls.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • jimed14
    jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    ryan198 wrote:
    you got it...it comes down to economics and how it works with race/class/gender and who can afford to go to games, and then the fans "performance" while at the stadium from "pizza tossing", "beer dousing", to fighting at Yankee Stadium (3000 got tossed in the game I was at in May), and so on which then speaks to the level of privilege those people have in attending Sox games...those people tend to be white, doing and saying things that they can get away with.

    3,000 got tossed from a game? that's a riot, not a fight .... links to this?
    "You're one of the few Red Sox fans I don't mind." - Newch91

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  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,230
    Solat13 wrote:
    True, prices are high, and I think that is part of the reason why the Sox have such a large following around the country. It's cheaper to see them in other cities around the country. I know they filled half of the stadium in Philly on their last visit.

    At Camden Yards In B-More it was at least 85% Red Sox fans back in August I couldn't believe it. In my box section of 200 less than 10 were O's fans and my 11 year daughter was one of them.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • ryan198
    ryan198 Posts: 1,015
    jimed14 wrote:
    3,000 got tossed from a game? that's a riot, not a fight .... links to this?
    It was insane...I was there, and my fiancees mom told me over the phone the number of people booted. She is a devoted Sox fan and either heard it on NESN, WEEI, or in the Globe or Local paper, I'll have to ask her. I have asked her several times about the number because it seems high, and she keeps to her assertion that it was 3k.

    While it may have been overestimated that 5% of the crowd got the boot, as I said I was there and I can say that it got out of hand early the Yanks won like 9-2/10-3 or something, and there was literally a moment during the game when Abreu turned around and just started watching the action in the RF upper-deck (which is where I was sitting)...you aren't allowed to bring in cameras to Yankee stadium otherwise I'd have a video link for you. People were getting carted out in 5s and 6s instead of 1s and 2s.
  • libragirl
    libragirl Posts: 4,632
    ryan198 wrote:
    LUCK!!! As in good ;)


    ha..ha....Yeah my fiance's 4 month old nephew is already a redsox fan. His mom sent me a pic of him wearing a redsox onsie
    These cuts are leaving creases. Trace the scars to fit the pieces, to tell the story, you don't need to say a word.
  • ryan198
    ryan198 Posts: 1,015
    Solat13 wrote:
    I agree with you that the Sox order is better than the Yanks, but the Sox are not going after A-Rod. They don't like to commit money to players over 35 for more than a year or two. The Manny contract he signed in 2000 would never have happened under the current regime.

    Plus, if they dump the deadweight and resign Lowell and maybe Timlin and Wakefield, their payyroll drops from 143 milllion to 110-115 million and puts them in line with the likes of the Mets, White Sox, Angels, Dodgers and Mariners in having similar payrolls.
    Yeah but there were already willing to do this before when they could unload Manny's contract...how much were they getting taken off of A-Rods? If you can get the best player I don't know why you wouldn't...I understand cutting payroll, but A-Rod is the best player.
  • ryan198
    ryan198 Posts: 1,015
    g under p wrote:
    At Camden Yards In B-More it was at least 85% Red Sox fans back in August I couldn't believe it. In my box section of 200 less than 10 were O's fans and my 11 year daughter was one of them.

    Peace
    I have about a 15 minute video during the Beckett game this August/September (can't remember but he threw like 8 2/3 but ran out of gas at the end), and I was in a section of the upper deck with one passed out O's fan, and literally the rest were Sox fans who posed with him for photos, drew on him, and generally humiliated him until the game was over and he woke up.
  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    ryan198 wrote:
    Yeah but there were already willing to do this before when they could unload Manny's contract...how much were they getting taken off of A-Rods? If you can get the best player I don't know why you wouldn't...I understand cutting payroll, but A-Rod is the best player.

    True, but that was 4 seasons ago and he was 28 and not 32, which fits the Sox mantra of going after players in their late 20's.

    Though you have to wonder how things would have worked out for all the teams involved if the A-Rod to Boston trade happened in 04.

    Manny would be in Texas.
    Nomar with the White Sox - would they have won in 2005?
    A-Rod and Magglio Ordonez with the Red Sox.

    But all in all, they won 2 world series without making the trade so I'm pretty happy fo the results.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,230
    ryan198 wrote:
    I have about a 15 minute video during the Beckett game this August/September (can't remember but he threw like 8 2/3 but ran out of gas at the end), and I was in a section of the upper deck with one passed out O's fan, and literally the rest were Sox fans who posed with him for photos, drew on him, and generally humiliated him until the game was over and he woke up.

    We were there when DICE K pitched or didn't pitch the O's smashed him 11-12 runs. The sox fans were really cool in my section overlooking the sox bullpen. They had tick Beantwn accents I remember from when I lived up there in Boston. However that really sucks that they did that to the O fan, help that person not berate them.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • deadnote
    deadnote Posts: 1,678
    i love them red sox
    set your laughter free

    dreamer in my dream

    we got the guns

    i love you,but im..............callin out.........callin out
  • libragirl
    libragirl Posts: 4,632
    deadnote wrote:
    i love them red sox

    Then you are in the right thread :)
    These cuts are leaving creases. Trace the scars to fit the pieces, to tell the story, you don't need to say a word.
  • ryan198
    ryan198 Posts: 1,015
    g under p wrote:
    We were there when DICE K pitched or didn't pitch the O's smashed him 11-12 runs. The sox fans were really cool in my section overlooking the sox bullpen. They had tick Beantwn accents I remember from when I lived up there in Boston. However that really sucks that they did that to the O fan, help that person not berate them.

    Peace
    yeah...it was difficult for me to know what to do because i was supposed to be doing research, but had to juggle that with someone's well-being. Luckily one of the people drawing on him checked to see that he was breathing, then continued to draw.

    I was also there for Daisuke (I went to every O's game), that was painful. It may have been that night or the night before when they really got on Drew in Eutaw Street to the point that I was actually worried something would get thrown on him. Now he hits a Grand Slam and he's a hero.
  • ryan198
    ryan198 Posts: 1,015
    Solat13 wrote:
    True, but that was 4 seasons ago and he was 28 and not 32, which fits the Sox mantra of going after players in their late 20's.

    Though you have to wonder how things would have worked out for all the teams involved if the A-Rod to Boston trade happened in 04.

    Manny would be in Texas.
    Nomar with the White Sox - would they have won in 2005?
    A-Rod and Magglio Ordonez with the Red Sox.

    But all in all, they won 2 world series without making the trade so I'm pretty happy fo the results.
    Plus you look poised for at least 1-2 more, injuries depending of course. Although if the Brewers get some pitching in the offseason, or the Mets decide not to choke down the stretch they both have AL type offenses which could actually give AL teams trouble in the World Series.

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