HOW ANY BOSTON FAN CAN ROOT FOR manny is beyond me
The dude was World Series MVP in 2004.
He's a sure first ballot hall of famer, and frankly he's right about Sox management, they have orchestrated under the radar smear campaigns about Nomar, Pedro and Derek Lowe most notabnly prior to either trading or not resigning them. Now they are doing the same with him...the McCormack incident happened in the clubhouse and was "leaked" to Sean McAdam...other things that happen in the clubhouse stay there....they have known for a while they have no intention to re-sign Manny or pick up his option, and they have been doing their best to make the public think thats the right move when in fact thats only true from a bottom line viewpoint, not a baseball viewpoint.
The dude was World Series MVP in 2004.
He's a sure first ballot hall of famer, and frankly he's right about Sox management, they have orchestrated under the radar smear campaigns about Nomar, Pedro and Derek Lowe most notabnly prior to either trading or not resigning them. Now they are doing the same with him...the McCormack incident happened in the clubhouse and was "leaked" to Sean McAdam...other things that happen in the clubhouse stay there....they have known for a while they have no intention to re-sign Manny or pick up his option, and they have been doing their best to make the public think thats the right move when in fact thats only true from a bottom line viewpoint, not a baseball viewpoint.
awesome player no doubt
the front office is fools for doing these things with their best player
and he is a fool for holding up signs in the dugout
great player no doubt but too much of a clown
the best thing about it is wheter its today or next year ....just pitch around ortiz and the sox are done back to the basement
the best thing about it is wheter its today or next year ....just pitch around ortiz and the sox are done back to the basement
2 things will easily prevent them from going to the basement...Toronto and Baltimore.
Plus you can be sure with $20 million freed up they'll find a bat this off season...it won't equal Manny of 2000-2005, but they can find one who can give them numbers comparable to Manny of 2007-2008, and play the field a bit better.
2 things will easily prevent them from going to the basement...Toronto and Baltimore.
Plus you can be sure with $20 million freed up they'll find a bat this off season...it won't equal Manny of 2000-2005, but they can find one who can give them numbers comparable to Manny of 2007-2008, and play the field a bit better.
and this has nothing to do with baseball and everything to do with the boston clowns
i'm not sure how i feel about this right now. no manny at fenway is just not going to be the same :(
there's no denying he is a superstar. some of his recent actions make me want to scream at him though.
With a rotation featuring Beckett, Matsuzaka, Lester and Buchholz all under 30, and Papelbon in the closer role, this team will be a constant threat for the next decade...sorry.
Hitters a re much easier to find than top flight starters...your Yanks have been able to find hitters easily, Giambi, Arod, Matsui...they have howver not dveloped quality pitching (until recently with Joba and possibly Hughes if he can ever be healthy), and for this reason they are an easy out in the playoffs...no true ace.
How did I know people would be burying the Sox now? it's not even August 1 FFS. Oh, and the concept that the Sox couldn't have an off year and bounce back to contention is laughable. 2004 and 2007 aren't separated by much time if I have my math right.
The dude was World Series MVP in 2004.
He's a sure first ballot hall of famer, and frankly he's right about Sox management, they have orchestrated under the radar smear campaigns about Nomar, Pedro and Derek Lowe most notabnly prior to either trading or not resigning them. Now they are doing the same with him...the McCormack incident happened in the clubhouse and was "leaked" to Sean McAdam...other things that happen in the clubhouse stay there....they have known for a while they have no intention to re-sign Manny or pick up his option, and they have been doing their best to make the public think thats the right move when in fact thats only true from a bottom line viewpoint, not a baseball viewpoint.
That leak about the McCormick incident could have been a player and not management. From the looks of it the players are getting sick of his shit.
Of all those players that you mentioned (Nomar, Petey, and D-Lowe), how many of them have had any success after the Sox let them go? My lasting image of Nomar is him sulking on the bench during that Yankees game when Jeter dove into the stands. You could tell Pedro's arm was a ticking time bomb, and Lowe was a head case that was way too inconsistent.
If he didn't want to honor the end of the deal he should have just kept it at 8 years and not added on the 2 team options at the end. The Sox have every right to wait it out and Manny is being an ass in not honor his part of the contract.
If he didn't want to honor the end of the deal he should have just kept it at 8 years and not added on the 2 team options at the end. The Sox have every right to wait it out and Manny is being an ass in not honor his part of the contract.
How exactly is Manny not honoring the end of the deal?
He is playing, leading the team in HR, 2nd in RBI...he just raised questions about the future...which is understandable, things got crazy when the Sox started their subterfuge smear campaign.
How exactly is Manny not honoring the end of the deal?
He is playing, leading the team in HR, 2nd in RBI...he just raised questions about the future...which is understandable, things got crazy when the Sox started their subterfuge smear campaign.
He should know what his future is. If the Red Sox choose to pick up his $20 million option they will. If they choose to let him walk, they will. Even if the Sox let him walk he'll get a 3 year deal somewhere else near $45 million. To act like a child is wrong. If he had half a brain in that head of his he should realize he's actually hurting himself for next year in the way he's acting now.
In the Sox eyes, why are they going to pay a 37 year old guy $20 million when they can go get someone like Jason Bay or Matt Holliday. In their eyes, they can use that money to fill holes instead of paying it to a guy who can only do one thing.
I can understand the fans love affair with him because he's like a kid. When he's in a good mood, he's funny and he can hit. When he throws his tantrums, though, he's a detriment to the team and all around him. He chooses when he wants to play and that's not what you want for $20 million.
I'll give you that... don't have that rivalry you guys do, and never will. But it looks as if this Red Sox/Angels thing is turning into a little side rivalry....something to watch for the foreseeable future
If he had half a brain in that head of his he should realize he's actually hurting himself for next year in the way he's acting now.
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Nothing he says will hurt his payday this offseason...there are 30 GM's in baseball...if Manny pisses one off, 29 others would love to have him, and of those 29, about 8 will have the resource to pay him, and Scott Boras will ensure a bidding war for his services.
So who knows anything about Jason Bay? I Don't think he can fill Manny's shoes at the plate, but how about in the field?
edit: I just saw the other thread about this. Sorry.
Jason Bay is a really good player and his numbers not counting last year are consistent to what Manny would put up going forward except he costs 1/3 the price. He's also a better fielder and has some speed and more importantly is 7 years younger and just going into the prime of his career.
Plus Eddie likes him so Theo just wanted to make Ed happy before his shows this weekend.
He rode the hometown vote to the 2006 All-Star Game, held in Pittsburgh. The Pirates staged an aggressive marketing campaign to get Bay votes, and Pearl Jam lead singer Eddie Vedder urged fans to vote for Bay during a late June concert at Mellon Arena. Bay was sheepish about the publicity, saying that the attention was "very flattering. I never would imagine I'd be in this position with the names that are out there." He went 1 for 3 in the All-Star Game. He he declined to appear in the Derby. "I think a lot of people felt bad for me," he told ESPN.com about his Derby doughnut the previous year. "But the bottom line is I just stunk."
Good to see Bay get the standing ovation tonight. While he's not Manny and isn't expected to be, I really hope the guy becomes a fan favorite. He definitely flashed some leather in left tonight that we haven't seen in a while (other than Jacoby playing left in Manny's absence).
I wish I was as fortunate, as fortunate as me.
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Hopefully, they can focus on winning the AL East now since Manny's deal is done and over with. I'll missed him but it was distracting the other players too.
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what's there to be worried about? They'll be watching on TV in october
aren't the clubhouses in golf courses normally above ground?
He's a sure first ballot hall of famer, and frankly he's right about Sox management, they have orchestrated under the radar smear campaigns about Nomar, Pedro and Derek Lowe most notabnly prior to either trading or not resigning them. Now they are doing the same with him...the McCormack incident happened in the clubhouse and was "leaked" to Sean McAdam...other things that happen in the clubhouse stay there....they have known for a while they have no intention to re-sign Manny or pick up his option, and they have been doing their best to make the public think thats the right move when in fact thats only true from a bottom line viewpoint, not a baseball viewpoint.
awesome player no doubt
the front office is fools for doing these things with their best player
and he is a fool for holding up signs in the dugout
great player no doubt but too much of a clown
the best thing about it is wheter its today or next year ....just pitch around ortiz and the sox are done
how anyone can start this thread 'the official BASEBALL IS THE MOST BORING SPORT thread' and then post in 10,000 of them is beyond me
Plus you can be sure with $20 million freed up they'll find a bat this off season...it won't equal Manny of 2000-2005, but they can find one who can give them numbers comparable to Manny of 2007-2008, and play the field a bit better.
I DIDNT MEAN THE BASEMENT like all the way down
just not a threat anymore
its great to see you pay attention
and this has nothing to do with baseball and everything to do with the boston clowns
there's no denying he is a superstar. some of his recent actions make me want to scream at him though.
Hitters a re much easier to find than top flight starters...your Yanks have been able to find hitters easily, Giambi, Arod, Matsui...they have howver not dveloped quality pitching (until recently with Joba and possibly Hughes if he can ever be healthy), and for this reason they are an easy out in the playoffs...no true ace.
That leak about the McCormick incident could have been a player and not management. From the looks of it the players are getting sick of his shit.
Of all those players that you mentioned (Nomar, Petey, and D-Lowe), how many of them have had any success after the Sox let them go? My lasting image of Nomar is him sulking on the bench during that Yankees game when Jeter dove into the stands. You could tell Pedro's arm was a ticking time bomb, and Lowe was a head case that was way too inconsistent.
If he didn't want to honor the end of the deal he should have just kept it at 8 years and not added on the 2 team options at the end. The Sox have every right to wait it out and Manny is being an ass in not honor his part of the contract.
He is playing, leading the team in HR, 2nd in RBI...he just raised questions about the future...which is understandable, things got crazy when the Sox started their subterfuge smear campaign.
after losing 5 of 6 at home to their biggest rivals in the A L
He should know what his future is. If the Red Sox choose to pick up his $20 million option they will. If they choose to let him walk, they will. Even if the Sox let him walk he'll get a 3 year deal somewhere else near $45 million. To act like a child is wrong. If he had half a brain in that head of his he should realize he's actually hurting himself for next year in the way he's acting now.
In the Sox eyes, why are they going to pay a 37 year old guy $20 million when they can go get someone like Jason Bay or Matt Holliday. In their eyes, they can use that money to fill holes instead of paying it to a guy who can only do one thing.
I can understand the fans love affair with him because he's like a kid. When he's in a good mood, he's funny and he can hit. When he throws his tantrums, though, he's a detriment to the team and all around him. He chooses when he wants to play and that's not what you want for $20 million.
now its time to do the same to the Yanks!
not more than i do
edit: I just saw the other thread about this. Sorry.
EV: 8/09/08 8/10/08 6/08/09 6/09/09 6/18/11
Jason Bay is a really good player and his numbers not counting last year are consistent to what Manny would put up going forward except he costs 1/3 the price. He's also a better fielder and has some speed and more importantly is 7 years younger and just going into the prime of his career.
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/
Plus Eddie likes him so Theo just wanted to make Ed happy before his shows this weekend.
He rode the hometown vote to the 2006 All-Star Game, held in Pittsburgh. The Pirates staged an aggressive marketing campaign to get Bay votes, and Pearl Jam lead singer Eddie Vedder urged fans to vote for Bay during a late June concert at Mellon Arena. Bay was sheepish about the publicity, saying that the attention was "very flattering. I never would imagine I'd be in this position with the names that are out there." He went 1 for 3 in the All-Star Game. He he declined to appear in the Derby. "I think a lot of people felt bad for me," he told ESPN.com about his Derby doughnut the previous year. "But the bottom line is I just stunk."
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
Well that's good enough for me!
EV: 8/09/08 8/10/08 6/08/09 6/09/09 6/18/11
oh well. Go Sox
Once I get out of this town
9/29/04;6/27/08;6/30/08;8/23/09;08/24/09;5/17/10
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Nice win tonight on Bay's debut.
EV- 08/09,10/2008.06/08,09/2009