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  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    How many other catchers have thrown punches? It's just not done. You know why it's not done? Because it's a bitch move to start a fight when you are wearing full body armor, and the other guy isn't. That's why.

    John Marzano for one started a fight with Paul O'Neill when he was sick of his yapping:

    http://multimedia.heraldinteractive.com/images/d22d4333bb_marz.jpg

    Mike Barrett

    http://i.a.cnn.net/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0610/gallery.memorable.brawls3/images/017050019.jpg

    Here's two off the top of my head.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • g under pg under p Posts: 18,178
    How many other catchers have thrown punches? It's just not done. You know why it's not done? Because it's a bitch move to start a fight when you are wearing full body armor, and the other guy isn't. That's why.

    WHAT! If a catcher is pissed off enough he'll throw a punch for sure. What does it have todo with body armor?

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  • jimed14jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    Solat13 wrote:
    John Marzano for one started a fight with Paul O'Neill when he was sick of his yapping:

    http://multimedia.heraldinteractive.com/images/d22d4333bb_marz.jpg

    Mike Barrett

    http://i.a.cnn.net/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0610/gallery.memorable.brawls3/images/017050019.jpg

    Here's two off the top of my head.

    HA! nice. well played comeback.
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  • someone wanna tell me why lester was suspended 5 games?
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  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    someone wanna tell me why lester was suspended 5 games?

    I was just about to ask the same thing ... HUH? He got almost as many games as Shields, who threw the first punch! WTF???
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    I know he hit Carl Crawford later on in the game, so maybe they are assuming that this was retaliation?
  • ryan198ryan198 Posts: 1,015
    yes. classic TEK.
    ha ha
    NO he did not say "we don't throw at .260 hitters". that's just another one of those media hyped things between the yanks-sox that didn't actually occur. If you do a simple lexis nexis search, or google search you will find that 'Tek (ugh) actually admitted as much saying that "I'm not clever enough to come up with that". Which, judging by his 'roided up mug ;), seems pretty close to the truth.

    Anyway, I'm all for Yankees getting popped in the face, but at least make sure you are telling the truth when it comes to the story.
  • g under p wrote:
    WHAT! If a catcher is pissed off enough he'll throw a punch for sure. What does it have todo with body armor?

    Peace


    seriously? you don't see an issiue with a guy covered head to toe in protective gear starting a fight? Again, it's the Boston Hypocrisy. If Posada threw a punch at a Red Sock in full gear, you'd be livid. But when your guy does it, he's a hero. That's just about the biggest bitch, pussy move in all of mankind. Why not just wait til the guy's running to first with his back turned to you, and then you can Pearl Harbor him? And hey, why not bring a bat along?

    2 examples over the last 12-15 years proves my point. the fact that one of them is dead shows that karma exists.
  • ryan198 wrote:
    NO he did not say "we don't throw at .260 hitters". that's just another one of those media hyped things between the yanks-sox that didn't actually occur. If you do a simple lexis nexis search, or google search you will find that 'Tek (ugh) actually admitted as much saying that "I'm not clever enough to come up with that". Which, judging by his 'roided up mug ;), seems pretty close to the truth.

    Anyway, I'm all for Yankees getting popped in the face, but at least make sure you are telling the truth when it comes to the story.


    Hey now, no facts allowed in this here discussion. No logic either. if somebody does something with the letters BOSTON across their chest, then they are in the right. If any other letters are across their chest they are dead wrong, even if they did the exact same thing
  • I was just about to ask the same thing ... HUH? He got almost as many games as Shields, who threw the first punch! WTF???

    I think Shields should have got no suspension. What's he supposed to do, just let Crisp storm the mound and pummel him until help arrives? It can't be for hitting Crisp---how do they know his intent? And if you get suspended every time you hit a batter, Pedro would have pitched once a month, kinda like he does now with the Mets
  • seriously? you don't see an issiue with a guy covered head to toe in protective gear starting a fight? Again, it's the Boston Hypocrisy. If Posada threw a punch at a Red Sock in full gear, you'd be livid. But when your guy does it, he's a hero. That's just about the biggest bitch, pussy move in all of mankind. Why not just wait til the guy's running to first with his back turned to you, and then you can Pearl Harbor him? And hey, why not bring a bat along?

    2 examples over the last 12-15 years proves my point. the fact that one of them is dead shows that karma exists.
    go to the bottom of this forum to find the find the yankee thread and bitch about it there. AROD had it coming to him. what the hell do you want him to do. wait 10 seconds to take off his gear then fight? dumbass.
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    9/29/04;6/27/08;6/30/08;8/23/09;08/24/09;5/17/10
  • I think Shields should have got no suspension. What's he supposed to do, just let Crisp storm the mound and pummel him until help arrives? It can't be for hitting Crisp---how do they know his intent? And if you get suspended every time you hit a batter, Pedro would have pitched once a month, kinda like he does now with the Mets
    it was a fastball thrown right at him! how is that not intentional! typical new yorker. always have to be better :rolleyes:
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    Once I get out of this town


    9/29/04;6/27/08;6/30/08;8/23/09;08/24/09;5/17/10
  • go to the bottom of this forum to find the find the yankee thread and bitch about it there. AROD had it coming to him. what the hell do you want him to do. wait 10 seconds to take off his gear then fight? dumbass.

    namecalling---a sure sign that you know you've been proven wrong. And if you really wanna know, there are 2 ways to go about it for varitek to go about it the "right way"

    hit him next time he comes up
    go into him hard at 3rd if theres a play, or even at home plate

    that's how the game has been played for 100 years, I'm not making this stuff up
  • namecalling---a sure sign that you know you've been proven wrong. And if you really wanna know, there are 2 ways to go about it for varitek to go about it the "right way"

    hit him next time he comes up
    go into him hard at 3rd if theres a play, or even at home plate

    that's how the game has been played for 100 years, I'm not making this stuff up
    if someone trash talks you right in your face you dont wait! you hit him right in the face! arod didnt even take a swing.
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    9/29/04;6/27/08;6/30/08;8/23/09;08/24/09;5/17/10
  • ryan198ryan198 Posts: 1,015
    if someone trash talks you right in your face you dont wait! you hit him right in the face! arod didnt even take a swing.
    Wait...FACT ALERT...Arod did ask "do you wanna go?". 'tek did what any self-respecting white Bostonian would do, punch a minority in the face with a glove with chants of let's go southie in the background (okay so I made part of that up). Honestly the real fight that happened in that game was when Ortiz KIMBOED Sturtz from behind with a wild right-left. That was clearly a typical baseball fight, no one should be proud of themselves. It wasn't like a Nolan Ryan beatdown no matter how many dollar store books have the picture as a front cover.
  • ryan198ryan198 Posts: 1,015
    it was a fastball thrown right at him! how is that not intentional! typical new yorker. always have to be better :rolleyes:
    Justice is clearly being served all the way around with the suspensions (with the possible exception of lester). I don't even see how this is a discussion.
  • g under pg under p Posts: 18,178
    seriously? you don't see an issiue with a guy covered head to toe in protective gear starting a fight? Again, it's the Boston Hypocrisy. If Posada threw a punch at a Red Sock in full gear, you'd be livid. But when your guy does it, he's a hero. That's just about the biggest bitch, pussy move in all of mankind. Why not just wait til the guy's running to first with his back turned to you, and then you can Pearl Harbor him? And hey, why not bring a bat along?

    2 examples over the last 12-15 years proves my point. the fact that one of them is dead shows that karma exists.

    WTF, if Manny is stupid enough to spit at or call Posada's Mom a hoe or any Yankee except A-Rod :) (he's a pussy) then I would certainly expect Posada to pummel his ass. Plain and simple, it comes to the circumstances that instigates the situation.

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  • Flannel ShirtFlannel Shirt Posts: 1,021
    ryan198 wrote:
    NO he did not say "we don't throw at .260 hitters". that's just another one of those media hyped things between the yanks-sox that didn't actually occur. If you do a simple lexis nexis search, or google search you will find that 'Tek (ugh) actually admitted as much saying that "I'm not clever enough to come up with that". Which, judging by his 'roided up mug ;), seems pretty close to the truth.

    Anyway, I'm all for Yankees getting popped in the face, but at least make sure you are telling the truth when it comes to the story.

    you are right.....

    he said "we dont hit guys with gay nicknames like a rod, who choke in pressure situations, and hit .260, so get to first bitch before I break your face"

    lester gets 5? wtf? told you, the rays suspensions will be harsher....if hes getting 5, they getting a lot more....this is their demise.
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  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    ryan198 wrote:
    Honestly the real fight that happened in that game was when Ortiz KIMBOED Sturtz from behind with a wild right-left. That was clearly a typical baseball fight, no one should be proud of themselves. It wasn't like a Nolan Ryan beatdown no matter how many dollar store books have the picture as a front cover.

    Well, that part of the story depends on your view. The Red Sox reporter covering the story said Ortiz pulled Sturtze off Kapler as Sturtze was choking Kapler from behind and then Kapler and Nixon beat on Sturtze. The Yankees claimed that Ortiz threw a punch and missed Sturtze before pulling Sturtze off Kapler. Major League baseball agreed more with the Red Sox side and Ortiz was only fined $500 for his part in that fight. So I don't think he "Kimbo'd" anyone in that fight.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    On an unrelated note, why are the Seattle Mariners the worst team in baseball, EXCEPT when facing the Sox? What a joke. Speaking as a Sox fan, they get paid too much to lose 8-0 to Seattle.

    I'd worry about all the Yanks fans in this thread gloating, except that Kansas City took you out. We are all in the same boat of suck.
  • you are right.....

    he said "we dont hit guys with gay nicknames like a rod, who choke in pressure situations, and hit .260, so get to first bitch before I break your face"

    lester gets 5? wtf? told you, the rays suspensions will be harsher....if hes getting 5, they getting a lot more....this is their demise.

    here comes the Boston Hypocrisy, yet again. ARod is a gay nickname (for the record, I'm no fan of the nickname, or it's many descendants such as IRod, KRod, FRod, or even JRo) but Tek, and Papi, and Youk, and Pap---those are manly. Especially ManRam---nope, nothing gay about that
  • xavier mcdanielxavier mcdaniel Posts: 9,218
    what's wrong with nicknames?


    sure they're not as good as the old days when there were players like "three fingers brown, little poison and big poison waner, the chariman of the board.

    bottom line, they're a part of the game.
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    Chicago 2007
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    Toronto 2011,Toronto 2011
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  • g under pg under p Posts: 18,178
    here comes the Boston Hypocrisy, yet again. ARod is a gay nickname (for the record, I'm no fan of the nickname, or it's many descendants such as IRod, KRod, FRod, or even JRo) but Tek, and Papi, and Youk, and Pap---those are manly. Especially ManRam---nope, nothing gay about that

    Manram :D I'm very gay over that one. Oh I mean, that's funny. :)

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    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • Ok, enough poking each other in the eye. What's the word on the Manny/Youkilis scrap up there. Initial reports were that Youkilis got on manny and Colon for lolligagging their way to the brawl. But then I heard today that manny was fed up with youkilis throwing tantrums after bad at bats
  • g under pg under p Posts: 18,178
    Ok, enough poking each other in the eye. What's the word on the Manny/Youkilis scrap up there. Initial reports were that Youkilis got on manny and Colon for lolligagging their way to the brawl. But then I heard today that manny was fed up with youkilis throwing tantrums after bad at bats

    Manny and the rest of the team, the team had a previous meeting on this issue and I gather Manny had enough.

    Peace
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    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • ryan198ryan198 Posts: 1,015
    Solat13 wrote:
    Well, that part of the story depends on your view. The Red Sox reporter covering the story said Ortiz pulled Sturtze off Kapler as Sturtze was choking Kapler from behind and then Kapler and Nixon beat on Sturtze. The Yankees claimed that Ortiz threw a punch and missed Sturtze before pulling Sturtze off Kapler. Major League baseball agreed more with the Red Sox side and Ortiz was only fined $500 for his part in that fight. So I don't think he "Kimbo'd" anyone in that fight.
    I was kidding about Ortiz...the point was that "fight" is obnoxiously overblown as some key turning point in the season (hence its placement on that stupid book with Stephen King and Stuart O'Nan), when it could be argued that it would take another 3 weeks until the 2004 team actually got going. Sure they beat the Yankees, but they had done so enough that season and the one before.
  • adam42381adam42381 Posts: 2,505
    I think the suspensions were fair for the most part other than Lester. If the umpire felt there was retaliation intended by some of his pitches he should have been tossed. Either way it just moves him back a day or so on his next start so it's no big deal. Now, losing 8-0 to Seattle on the other hand...
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  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    ryan198 wrote:
    I was kidding about Ortiz...the point was that "fight" is obnoxiously overblown as some key turning point in the season (hence its placement on that stupid book with Stephen King and Stuart O'Nan), when it could be argued that it would take another 3 weeks until the 2004 team actually got going. Sure they beat the Yankees, but they had done so enough that season and the one before.

    The reason that it's listed as the turning point, it's the first time Rivera had blown a save for the Yankees to lose against the Red Sox since April 13, 2002. That was so long ago that Rickey Henderson was still batting leadoff for the Red Sox that game and Ugie Urbina saved the game before being imprisoned for attacking 5 men with a machete in Venezuela.

    Going into the day of the fight, the Red Sox were 9.5 games out against the Yankees and had lost 4 in a row to the Yanks - 3 of which were saved by Rivera. After that game, the Sox no longer saw Rivera as the unbeatable pitcher that had plagued them over the years. Rivera blew another save later that year in September and we know what happened in October and then he blew a couple more to start 2005. That game changed the mindset of the team who thought it was just going to be another inevitable year of playoff futility. I remember watching that game with Nothingman44 who was visiting from Providence and we always talk about that game as the game that first gave the fans hope that 2004 was a year that something special was going to happen.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • The Devil Rays (they are still the fucking Devil Rays as far as I am concerned) are a bunch of punks. 3 dudes piling on one guy and punching him in the face while the one guy holds him down?

    Mark my words...... see ya Devil Rays. Be proud of your 1/3 of a season. Back to the bottom you go. They are not going to hang around, and will finish in 4th place behind the Jays, Yanks, and Sox.

    This fight is exactly what they DIDNT NEED. Not only does your starter get punched in the head, you look like thugs, and a few of your players will surely be suspended a few games, but the sox go on to rout your asses.

    See what Pedro started. :)

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