Boston Red Sox

jimed14

LongRd. wrote:

Let's see what happens the next 3 against the "so-called best team"(Angels) in the league.

Matsuzaka taking his Cy Young-contending season up on the mound tomorrow.
Hope, he gets his 12th!

whoa ... hold on their chief.

Matsuzaka ... Cy Young-contending?

Ok, so he's got 11 wins (which you need to win a Cy Young, even if Wins are more a function of a teams offense) ... and he's got a low ERA (but, he doesn't have enough innings at current to qualify for the ERA leaders in the AL).

But, let's be real ... the guy has walked 60 guys in 95 innings ... to be honest, he's walking a REALLY thin line, and is probably lucky to have a sub-3.00 ERA ... and it was the 2nd half last year where he collapsed.

Believe me, I'd love him to turn it up to another level ... or at least, improve on his control a bit ... but, I don't think he's in the top 5 for Cy Young at current.

anyway, good win tonight.

Fighting Hellfish

jimed14 wrote:

whoa ... hold on their chief.

Matsuzaka ... Cy Young-contending?

Ok, so he's got 11 wins (which you need to win a Cy Young, even if Wins are more a function of a teams offense) ... and he's got a low ERA (but, he doesn't have enough innings at current to qualify for the ERA leaders in the AL).

But, let's be real ... the guy has walked 60 guys in 95 innings ... to be honest, he's walking a REALLY thin line, and is probably lucky to have a sub-3.00 ERA ... and it was the 2nd half last year where he collapsed.

Believe me, I'd love him to turn it up to another level ... or at least, improve on his control a bit ... but, I don't think he's in the top 5 for Cy Young at current.

anyway, good win tonight.

thank you. I was gonna say it, but didn't want to start a fire. And I have him on a fantasy team. He just walks way too many guys. Right now, Cy Young goes to Cliff Lee. Also in serious contention ahead of Matsuzaka:

Roy Halladay--get past the record (12-7) he'd be 15-4 on a team taht could hit
Mike Mussina
Joe Saunders
Mariano Rivera

stickboy

Gotta go with Cliff Lee right now..got Saunders on my team and he deserves a mntion and hell yea if you throw in Dice-k you GOTTA throw in Moose,...cause raise your hands right now whoever thought Moose was gonna hold us down this yr the way he has...and despite all the criticisms the guys got since coming here.I give him props cause he keeps his mouth sht and goes out and does the best he can
Respect to that

can a closer win the Cy young?

Fighting Hellfish

absolutely can, though it rarely happens. I think gagne was the last one to do it. I'll keep my hand down, as I thought Moose would be decent, but nowhere near what he's done. 14-12, something like that is what I expected. Check out a book called Living On The Black if you like Mussina. It's about Mussina and Glavine's 2007 season, as well as their life and career up to the 2007 season. Graet book

stickboy

thats right! I forgot Gagne won it.so Mo's got a good case then. ANd I'll admit it too I didnt think Moose was gonna get more than 10-11 wins this yr


thanx Im def gonna give that a look man

LONGRD

I think Eckersly won it when he was a closer for the A's once.

K-Rod is probably the best closer up for the Cy Young race this season.

oh yeah, Dice-K for Cy Young is wishful thinking....:D
his pitching have been wild this so far...don't know how he keeps his ERA that low. Should be fun watching him pitch later today.

jimed14

there have been about 10 closers / relievers to win the cy young award ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cy_Young_Award

adam42381

jimed14 wrote:

there have been about 10 closers / relievers to win the cy young award ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cy_Young_Award

Who am I missing? I only see Gagne and Eckersley from the list as relievers who won the Cy Young.

Solat13

adam42381 wrote:

Who am I missing? I only see Gagne and Eckersley from the list as relievers who won the Cy Young.

Willie Hernandez from the Tigers in 1984
Rollie Fingers in 1981
Sparky Lyle in 1977
Steve Brodosian in 1987
Mark Davis in 1989
Bruce Sutter in 1979
Mike Marshall in 1974

and if you want to go back further to 1950 before there was a Cy Young award the Phillies closer Jim Konstanty won the MVP award with a 16-7 record and 22 saves.

rearviewmiror

Just finishing reading Red Sox Rule.

I picked it up to read about Terry Francona. It's kinda light, but it's still good reading about the 07 World Series. That, and the parts about handling a wacky player like Manny are interesting in light of current developments.

adam42381

Solat13 wrote:

Willie Hernandez from the Tigers in 1984
Rollie Fingers in 1981
Sparky Lyle in 1977
Steve Brodosian in 1987
Mark Davis in 1989
Bruce Sutter in 1979
Mike Marshall in 1974

and if you want to go back further to 1950 before there was a Cy Young award the Phillies closer Jim Konstanty won the MVP award with a 16-7 record and 22 saves.

Ok, thanks. I guess I didn't look very closely, huh?

down_ski

Angels going for another sweep-o-the-sox?

Sure hope so, far superior franchise. Without all the whiny little fans!

LONGRD

I'm wondering if Daisuke will ever overcome this late inning struggles. ???

I mean the guy is solid from the opening inning to the 5th but once the 6th and 7th roll in he loses control.

I know in Japan, they get 6/7 day rest for starting pitchers and he was able to go deep in the game in his native country but in the MLB so far he's been struggle once he goes into the 6th....

LONGRD

down_ski wrote:

Angels going for another sweep-o-the-sox?

Sure hope so, far superior franchise. Without all the whiny little fans!

Better not be a sweep....those the Angels have the best road record(i believe) so it is possible.

That K-Rod guy is unstoppable- he's already aiming for 200 saves for his career and he's only 26-years-old. :eeks:

Fighting Hellfish

Fighting Hellfish wrote:

thank you. I was gonna say it, but didn't want to start a fire. And I have him on a fantasy team. He just walks way too many guys. Right now, Cy Young goes to Cliff Lee. Also in serious contention ahead of Matsuzaka:

Roy Halladay--get past the record (12-7) he'd be 15-4 on a team taht could hit
Mike Mussina
Joe Saunders
Mariano Rivera

Cy Young just slipped a bit further away from Matsuzaka and Mussina

StateOfLoveBoatCptn.

I know I'm gonna get the same ol 'wait til the postseason' crap that will come, but its still a beautiful thing watching the Angels own the Sox this year. 6-1 is it?

Fear The Monkey!!!!!

down_ski

StateOfLoveBoatCptn. wrote:

I know I'm gonna get the same ol 'wait til the postseason' crap that will come, but its still a beautiful thing watching the Angels own the Sox this year. 6-1 is it?

Fear The Monkey!!!!!

Red Sox fans sure are quiet when their team is getting beaten.......

jimed14

Lackey has a no hitter through 7!

I hope he gets it ... seriously. I love seeing shit like that, it's only one game.

down_ski

jimed14 wrote:

Lackey has a no hitter through 7!

I hope he gets it ... seriously. I love seeing shit like that, it's only one game.

Yeah man, I'd love to see it especially with the Red Sox!

down_ski

1 More inning! A no hitter!

jimed14

I'll garauntee you that Sox fans give Lackey a huge cheer if he does it, or if it gets broken up .... either way.

down_ski

Damn, a 1 hitter :(

jimed14

down_ski wrote:

Damn, a 1 hitter :(

um ... not exactly ... no shut out either .... ha ha ...

down_ski

jimed14 wrote:

um ... not exactly ... no shut out either .... ha ha ...

Ah well, Angels have won 7 out of the last 8.

StateOfLoveBoatCptn.

jimed14 wrote:

um ... not exactly ... no shut out either .... ha ha ...

7 of 8 and just got the last piece of our World Series Championship puzzle today.

Life is good in Halo country

jimed14

StateOfLoveBoatCptn. wrote:

7 of 8 and just got the last piece of our World Series Championship puzzle today.

Life is good in Halo country

Getting Tex is a good deal ... but, pitching is far more important in the playoffs ... and the Angels have that.

You should just hope they don't blow out K-Rods arm.

BlackCorduroy

I was at the game tonight, pretty shitty. I would have rather seen a no-hitter.

StateOfLoveBoatCptn.

jimed14 wrote:

Getting Tex is a good deal ... but, pitching is far more important in the playoffs ... and the Angels have that.

You should just hope they don't blow out K-Rods arm.

yes we do, and not real worried about K-Rod. The dude is young. With Texiera hopefully we can get a little more run support and not have to useFrankie as much

jimed14

4 errors tonight for the Sox ... man, they look pretty out of it mentally.

Not sure if the Manny trade buzz is on their minds, if they are tired, or what ... but, they need to snap out of it.

Perhaps a Manny trade will work like the Nomar trade did in '04.

edit ....
and just after I type this, Pedroia, Lowry and Crisp pull the ol' Bad News Bears pop fly triangle ball drop routine. Wow.

down_ski

You cant deny that the Angels played PERFECTLY tonight.

You should all be worried