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  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,230
    nothingman44 wrote:
    alot fo people here cacn attest to my love for the red sox...

    i dont want santana if we have to give up elsbury for him. yes, santana is one of the best pitchers in the game, but the sox rotation did fine without him last year, and elsbury has the makings of a superstar.

    I agree with this, if the Sox have to give up Els Santana is not worth it.

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  • Hartydog
    Hartydog Posts: 2,060
    I'm sure someone has already said this but if they could pick up Haren and keep Ellsbury that would be nice.
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  • JSBE
    JSBE Posts: 1,078
    theo epstein:

    "There's a natural order of things this winter and we're just going to let it play out," he said. "If we think the dynamic changes or our interest changes, we certainly wouldn't hesitate to put a timetable on something or other. But this doesn't apply right now."

    hank steinbrenner:

    "I want to get it done by tonight, one way or another," Yankees senior vice president Hank Steinbrenner said, according to The Associated Press. "I'm waiting for a meeting in Nashville, and then Brian will give me a call."

    who would you rather have in charge of your team right now?
  • Fighting Hellfish
    Fighting Hellfish Posts: 3,175
    let's not get carried away here. The only good trade the Sox have made in the past few years was while Theo was ina gorilla suit following PJ around the world. How much did the Wonderboy pay Gagne this year? About $7 mil for 2 months of sucking?
  • rival.
    rival. Chicago Posts: 7,775
    JSBE wrote:
    theo epstein:

    "There's a natural order of things this winter and we're just going to let it play out," he said. "If we think the dynamic changes or our interest changes, we certainly wouldn't hesitate to put a timetable on something or other. But this doesn't apply right now."

    hank steinbrenner:

    "I want to get it done by tonight, one way or another," Yankees senior vice president Hank Steinbrenner said, according to The Associated Press. "I'm waiting for a meeting in Nashville, and then Brian will give me a call."

    who would you rather have in charge of your team right now?

    hank. he who hesitates, masterbates.
  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    The Francona Rule as reported by the Boston Herald

    Red Sox manager Terry Francona officially has a rule named after him.

    “There’s going to be, for lack of a better term, a ‘Francona Rule,’” said Bob Watson, Major League Baseball’s Vice President of Rules and On-Field Operations. “You can only wear your uniform top or jacket. You can’t wear your night-shirt, or whatever it is. You can wear it before games, or after games, but not during games. You have to have your uniform top at all times.”

    No more pullover for Francona.

    When asked if teams had been notified of the development Watson said, “They will be informed. There will be no doubt.”
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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,870
    Hartydog wrote:
    I'm sure someone has already said this but if they could pick up Haren and keep Ellsbury that would be nice.
    Haren's numbers won't be anywhere as good out of that cavern of a park in Oakland...he's not really gonna be a big addition.
    While I don't wanna see Ellsbury go, if you can get Santana, you have to do it.
    Imagine a rotation of Beckett, Santana, Matsuzaka, Buccholz (assuming they trade Ellsbury and keep him) and insert your 5th starter(Schilling in '08, whoever beyond) for the next 6 years, with Papelbon at the back of the bullpen. You're gonna be the favorite to win the WS every year for a 5 or 6 year stretch.
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  • JSBE
    JSBE Posts: 1,078
    singularity wrote:
    hank. he who hesitates, masterbates.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3140668

    While Hank Steinbrenner set deadlines and publicly lusted after Johan Santana, the Red Sox just bided their time and stayed in the game.

    And what do you know? As Monday night turned into Tuesday morning at the winter meetings, suddenly it was the Red Sox who loomed as the favorites to pull off a deal for the best pitcher in baseball.

    ESPN the Magazine's Buster Olney reported early Tuesday that the Twins asked the Red Sox for permission to review the medical records of pitcher Jon Lester, amid indications a Red Sox-Twins trade could go down sometime during the early-morning hours.

    If the Twins were satisfied with Lester's medicals, it's believed they would accept a swap of him, Coco Crisp, shortstop prospect Jed Lowrie and either highly regarded pitching prospect Justin Masterson or another player.
  • carolinabeerguy
    carolinabeerguy Kernersville, NC Posts: 2,517
    JSBE wrote:
    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3140668

    While Hank Steinbrenner set deadlines and publicly lusted after Johan Santana, the Red Sox just bided their time and stayed in the game.

    And what do you know? As Monday night turned into Tuesday morning at the winter meetings, suddenly it was the Red Sox who loomed as the favorites to pull off a deal for the best pitcher in baseball.

    ESPN the Magazine's Buster Olney reported early Tuesday that the Twins asked the Red Sox for permission to review the medical records of pitcher Jon Lester, amid indications a Red Sox-Twins trade could go down sometime during the early-morning hours.

    If the Twins were satisfied with Lester's medicals, it's believed they would accept a swap of him, Coco Crisp, shortstop prospect Jed Lowrie and either highly regarded pitching prospect Justin Masterson or another player.

    I really like the sound of this deal. Lester may never be the same guy and we don't have to deal Ellsbury. While I think Ellsbury may be at or near his peak already (he is 24), he is still a very fast guy who plays great defense and hits very well. Sure there's not much power, but he's an upgrade in the batter's box over Coco. I've seen comparisons to George Brett who had similar talents. I'll take that anyday.
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  • rearviewmiror
    rearviewmiror Posts: 894
    Fighting Hellfish wrote:
    let's not get carried away here. The only good trade the Sox have made in the past few years was while Theo was ina gorilla suit following PJ around the world. How much did the Wonderboy pay Gagne this year? About $7 mil for 2 months of sucking?
    Except that Epstein was still working with the team at the time and signed off on the deal. What Epstein is best at is the whole picture, drafting players and molding a team. He also understands there is always more than the current season, and the way he changed the team from 2004 to 2007 and won another title proves this. Where are those free agents we would miss so sorely? Damon and Martinez (still have all the love in the world for him though) are not worth their deals, and Theo is the master at the non-move.
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  • JSBE
    JSBE Posts: 1,078
    ellsbury apparently has dropped his agent and signed with scott boras. i just lost a little respect for him.
  • carolinabeerguy
    carolinabeerguy Kernersville, NC Posts: 2,517
    JSBE wrote:
    ellsbury apparently has dropped his agent and signed with scott boras. i just lost a little respect for him.

    I have no problem with a player trying to get top dollar. Have you forgotten that Varitek is a Boras client?
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  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    adam42381 wrote:
    I have no problem with a player trying to get top dollar. Have you forgotten that Varitek is a Boras client?

    Yep and so is Dice K, JD Drew, Alex Cora, Craig Hansen and Julian Tavarez.

    There are a bunch of Boras clients on the Sox.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
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  • carolinabeerguy
    carolinabeerguy Kernersville, NC Posts: 2,517
    Solat13 wrote:
    Yep and so is Dice K, JD Drew, Alex Cora, Craig Hansen and Julian Tavarez.

    There are a bunch of Boras clients on the Sox.
    Just looked that up and was about to post it. Damon and Derek Lowe were Boras clients as well. It's not as if Ellsbury is the only one and being selfish. It's his career. If it were me, I'd want to get the most compensation I could while playing. Boras is the one that can get you that. Sure, he's a jerk, but he has his clients' interests in mind.
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  • JSBE
    JSBE Posts: 1,078
    i wasn't being 100% serious. i could care less who the players agent is.

    i know exactly who the boras clients are on the red sox. i'm just not a fan of boras and his tactics at all.
  • carolinabeerguy
    carolinabeerguy Kernersville, NC Posts: 2,517
    JSBE wrote:
    i wasn't being 100% serious. i could care less who the players agent is.

    i know exactly who the boras clients are on the red sox. i'm just not a fan of boras and his tactics at all.
    Oh, ok. Sure, Boras pisses me off too. The whole A-Rod thing during the Series was a debacle. I'm sure that he had to run it by A-Rod before going public at that time though. A-Rod is all about himself and it really showed at that point. I doubt Boras would have done the same thing if it were another high caliber player without the ego of A-Rod.
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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,870
    Solat13 wrote:
    Yep and so is Dice K, JD Drew, Alex Cora, Craig Hansen and Julian Tavarez.

    There are a bunch of Boras clients on the Sox.
    Boras should be able to negotiate $8.50 an hour for Hansen at McDonald's when his current contract expires.
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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,870
    Fighting Hellfish wrote:
    let's not get carried away here. The only good trade the Sox have made in the past few years was while Theo was ina gorilla suit following PJ around the world. How much did the Wonderboy pay Gagne this year? About $7 mil for 2 months of sucking?
    I do believe Theo orchestrated the deal for Schilling (even flew to AZ and spent Thanksgiving at Schilling's house) in 2003, and one bloody sock later, your Yankees are an afterthought in the baseball world 4 years running.
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  • carolinabeerguy
    carolinabeerguy Kernersville, NC Posts: 2,517
    Poncier wrote:
    Boras should be able to negotiate $8.50 an hour for Hansen at McDonald's when his current contract expires.
    With Boras' negotiating skills, he may even get him $9.00 at Starbucks.
    I wish I was as fortunate, as fortunate as me.
  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,870
    adam42381 wrote:
    With Boras' negotiating skills, he may even get him $9.00 at Starbucks.
    But Hansen would end up spraying hot foam on a customer and get canned, flipping burgers away from the counter is a safer bet for that lummox.
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