Horseracing is Cruelty

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  • Strangest Tribe
    Strangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    I don't hop on my horses hit them with a crop and run them till they bleed out their noses and break their legs.
    the Minions
  • harmless_little_f***
    harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    Any animal racing is heinous.. in all kinds of ways. Greyhound racing is particularly disgusting.
    'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'

    - the great Sir Leo Harrison
  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Those people who race turtles piss me off, too.
  • Strangest Tribe
    Strangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    South of Seattle wrote:
    What about sled dogs? is that cruel also? Sigfried and Roy? Dog Shows? etc . .
    Sled dogs? Like horses are a necessity to the Inuits as a means of survival in the Arctic. The Idiot-a-rod race is also cruel to those dogs, many die from that grueling race.

    All animal shows that involve beating the animals to submit to performing "cutesy" acts so your 8 year old daughter can be "entertained for a couple of hours, is also cruelty.
    the Minions
  • Riverrunner
    Riverrunner Posts: 2,419
    The horse racing industry is cruel! And it is an industry. That don't give a rat's ass about the horses. It is about the money. Someone on here said they take good care of their horses, but that is only as long as they make money. There are lots and lots of "race horses" born every year, but only a few are successful. What do you think happens to the rest of them? Do you think they are sent to a beautiful farm somewhere where they can graze and run around the pasture? No. Many times they are cruelly killed so it looks like an accident and then file a claim with the insurance company. There is a lot of insurance fraud in the horse industry and it all involves the cruel killing and/or maiming of horses. The others were sold to slaughter houses. Within the past year all of the horse slaughter houses in the U.S. were closed. Now they are shipping them into Mexico.

    These horses have been bred to be freaks of nature. Their legs are too thin to support their bodies adequately. But this makes them faster so those in the horse industry don't care about their overall health or future. You just want them to "hold on" long enough to make money. They give them drugs, and there isn't much testing or oversight in the horse industry. These drugs, steroids and what not are just as bad for horses as people. These are also some of the drugs that cause them to bleed easily. It is not natural to have internal bleeding after you run hard, unless..... you have been given some sort of illegal substance to make your run faster.

    This whole industry is full of cruelty. Have you read the investigative articles about what goes on with the jockeys? They are mostly poor kids with little education. They are also used and abused by the industry. Forced into anorexia and bulimia just to make a buck. Weight control is their whole life. It is worse with the jockeys than it is for those in ballet and acrobatics and modeling.

    The horse industry sucks!
    The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way it treats its animals. Ghandi
  • Strangest Tribe
    Strangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    Arent the dogs bred for dogfighting also? So what's the difference between dogs being bred to fight and horses being bred to race? Why is one more socially acceptable than the other? Many horses die as a result of racing, and it's not just from broken legs, there are actually more that bleed out and suffer heart attacks than break legs.
    the Minions
  • Riverrunner
    Riverrunner Posts: 2,419
    Another major issue in the industry is that they are racing the horses too young. They are starting them at 2 years old, which is way too young. Their legs are not even fully developed by then. I think that is another reason why there are so many breaks is because they are subjecting those not yet developed fragile legs to too much pounding and racing at too young an age. But then again, the younger they start them the more money they can make.
    The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way it treats its animals. Ghandi
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,924
    genie wrote:
    it called balance, majority of things that humans do are in one way or another detrimental to the whole world, do you honestly think eating a plat is ok? you know plant is alive organism, just like the most of us on this planet. ;)
    :p

    eating something or someone necessary act for survival, but watching horseracing is just a pleasure, if people stop watching it they're not going to die.

    so you admit you are only against cruelty to animals when it doesn't suit your own needs.
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,924
    Riverrunner wrote:
    Another major issue in the industry is that they are racing the horses too young. They are starting them at 2 years old, which is way too young. Their legs are not even fully developed by then. I think that is another reason why there are so many breaks is because they are subjecting those not yet developed fragile legs to too much pounding and racing at too young an age. But then again, the younger they start them the more money they can make.

    show me statistics on where there are 'so many breaks' - how many race horses ran in the US on saturday. Thousands, if one breaks it's leg while a shame it is not 'so many breaks' - stop over reacting because it was on tv.
    You animal rights nuts act like every horse race a horse dies - it's just not true. A hell of a lot more people were killed in cars this weekend than horses killed racing - should we ban all freakin cars? just stop people.
  • harmless_little_f***
    harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    pjhawks wrote:
    so you admit you are only against cruelty to animals when it doesn't suit your own needs.

    Does horeseracing meet ANYONE'S needs? Except for the 'need' for mindless entertainment consumption and superfluous amounts of money?
    'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'

    - the great Sir Leo Harrison
  • Riverrunner
    Riverrunner Posts: 2,419
    pjhawks wrote:
    show me statistics on where there are 'so many breaks' - how many race horses ran in the US on saturday. Thousands, if one breaks it's leg while a shame it is not 'so many breaks' - stop over reacting because it was on tv.

    We are over reacting because it was on tv? huh? I didn't even see the damn race and didn't know anything about it until I saw the news the next day. You think that none of us care about the other horses that die needlessly and cruelly just because it wasn't on tv? Stupid statement. Don't be so defensive.

    pjhawks wrote:
    You animal rights nuts act like every horse race a horse dies - it's just not true. A hell of a lot more people were killed in cars this weekend than horses killed racing - should we ban all freakin cars? just stop people.

    Intelligent comparison....... the horse racing industry and me driving my car to work. You must be a brain surgeon or something.

    P.S. I don't fight on message boards so this is my last post I especially find it is demeaning to fight with those who are too defensive and uneducated about the issue to speak intelligently.
    The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way it treats its animals. Ghandi
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,924
    Riverrunner wrote:
    We are over reacting because it was on tv? huh? I didn't even see the damn race and didn't know anything about it until I saw the news the next day. You think that none of us care about the other horses that die needlessly and cruelly just because it wasn't on tv? Stupid statement. Don't be so defensive.




    Intelligent comparison....... the horse racing industry and me driving my car to work. You must be a brain surgeon or something.

    P.S. I don't fight on message boards so this is my last post I especially find it is demeaning to fight with those who are too defensive and uneducated about the issue to speak intelligently.

    yes because if it was the 4th face at Philadelphia Park no one would know or care that a horse was euthanized. it's only a story because it was the biggest race of the year.


    we are not fighting we are having a debate. i've tried to dispute your claims which i think i've done. have a great day.
  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    pjhawks wrote:
    i knew the wackos would come out after the Derby. These horses are bred SOLEY for the purpuse of being race horses. These are not show horses or pets, they are THOROUGHBREDS. Thoroughbreds are runners. None of these horses would EVER be born if not for the horse racing industry. As I stated in the Kentucky Derby thread on here - thousands of thoroughbreds raced on saturday in the US. One died on tv. It is sad, don't get me wrong but not the end of the world. A Philly cop was shot to death on sunday yet no threads on that. Let's have some perspective.
    I'm not a fan of horse racing, so its easy for me to say this.. Slaves were breed as thoroughbreds for the strongest whom could perform the most labor efficiantly. Had it not been for slavery, they would have never been born.

    If thats not silly enough for ya, imagine a planet of the apes scenario where monkeys breed humans to race. How funny would that be, monkeys racing on humans backs..

    I'm not going to protest it, but horse racing is silly. Midgets riding horses so people can gamble. You'll never see me at track. Sorry.



    Ha ha! They're already racing dogs! http://jafproject.net/images4/whiplash2.jpg ..silly stupid sport.
  • the little guy
    the little guy Posts: 27
    Riverrunner wrote:
    Another major issue in the industry is that they are racing the horses too young. They are starting them at 2 years old, which is way too young. Their legs are not even fully developed by then. I think that is another reason why there are so many breaks is because they are subjecting those not yet developed fragile legs to too much pounding and racing at too young an age. But then again, the younger they start them the more money they can make.


    There is a great deal of ignorance in this thread, and as usual it is being spewed by the reactionaries, but I'll single out this one for now. If you actually knew anything about horse racing, which you don't, you would know this to be the opposite of the truth. Studies have shown that racing horses as 2YOs is actually good for their development and lessens the likelihood of future injuries. But, why would you take the time to learn about that which you speak when you can seize an unfortunate opportunity to further a cause of ignorance.

    It's too bad you aren't open minded enough to learn about what you don't understand. How wonderful it could be for you to spend some time with people who care for race horses and have an opportunity to see people truly dedicated to these noble animals that they love so deeply.
  • Strangest Tribe
    Strangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    Riverrunner wrote:
    Another major issue in the industry is that they are racing the horses too young. They are starting them at 2 years old, which is way too young. Their legs are not even fully developed by then. I think that is another reason why there are so many breaks is because they are subjecting those not yet developed fragile legs to too much pounding and racing at too young an age. But then again, the younger they start them the more money they can make.

    Exactly, we won't even saddle until they're 28 months, but ours are pets anyway. We don't even shoe them unless they're a regular rider, we only have 2 of them out of 6 and 2 mules with shoes.
    the Minions
  • harmless_little_f***
    harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    pjhawks wrote:
    yes because if it was the 4th face at Philadelphia Park no one would know or care that a horse was euthanized. it's only a story because it was the biggest race of the year.

    Anyone who gives a shit about animal cruelty knew about this level of mistreatment in the racing industry WAY before this one stupid race. This race has simply highlighted the problem. In no way did this race cause the problem, the problem has existed for hundreds of years, to be learned about by those who care.
    'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'

    - the great Sir Leo Harrison
  • thunderDAN
    thunderDAN Posts: 2,094
    they need exercise. But all joking aside, those horses are better taken care of and looked after better than any of us are. It sucks that it happened, but it's just crazy how horses are- once they break a leg they have to be put down.
  • the little guy
    the little guy Posts: 27
    Riverrunner wrote:

    This whole industry is full of cruelty. Have you read the investigative articles about what goes on with the jockeys? They are mostly poor kids with little education. They are also used and abused by the industry. Forced into anorexia and bulimia just to make a buck. Weight control is their whole life. It is worse with the jockeys than it is for those in ballet and acrobatics and modeling.

    I loved this one as well. No jockey in this country is forced to do their chosen profession and the personal risks they take are choices they make....and nobody else. Unlike you, I know many jockeys and they love their jobs, an absolute requirement for any of us in the thoroughbred industry.

    The industry is far from perfect, like most, but people such as yourself that know nothing about it, and use an unfortunate incident to further a cause of ignorance, cannot stop the many positive aspects of horse racing.....and do nothing to help cure the negatives.
  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    the little guy wrote:
    I loved this one as well. No jockey in this country is forced to do their chosen profession and the personal risks they take are choices they make....and nobody else. Unlike you, I know many jockeys and they love their jobs, an absolute requirement for any of us in the thoroughbred industry.

    The industry is far from perfect, like most, but people such as yourself that know nothing about it, and use an unfortunate incident to further a cause of ignorance, cannot stop the many positive aspects of horse racing.....and do nothing to help cure the negatives.
    But put horse racing into perspective here.. midgets riding horses so people can gamble.. what a stupid sport. IMO.
  • Strangest Tribe
    Strangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    The fact that the horse was on TV does not equate to overreaction. Thousands of horses break their legs every year. Not just from Thouroughbred but from cart racing as well. The fact that it was televised makes it hot topic for today.

    So basically what you are saying is that, if millions of people didn't know about it, there wouldn't be such an "overreaction"? Then ... If no one knew about it that it would be justified that the poor animal was driven to death?

    Seriously??? Ha ha....I'm the one who is a nut???
    the Minions

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