I am no expert on horses but I've always found the racing of animals to be fairly barbaric. Now, my wife on the other hand, is a horse expert/rider/trainer and she also thinks horse racing is a terrible tragedy. So, there's at least two more who oppose the idea and at least one of them is an expert...
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Disapproving of horse racing does seem a bit rich coming from carnivores, guess not all of you are though.
Maybe it is cruel, not something I've thought about till now. My grandfather was into the racing, never a betting man, think he just liked the horses and the competition aspect of it all.
Disapproving of horse racing does seem a bit rich coming from carnivores, guess not all of you are though.
Maybe it is cruel, not something I've thought about till now. My grandfather was into the racing, never a betting man, think he just liked the horses and the competition aspect of it all.
ok offense....but I think it's funny your board name is 'Elmer'.
I equate horseracing to dogfighting. I wish anyone involved would suffer the same punishment as Michael Vick. I also believe boxing to be illegal, but I'll save that for another thread.
Presumably you mean boxing should be illegal, not that it IS? Either way, you're wrong. Boxing isn't about assaulting someone. It's assholes like Mike Tyson who get the wrong idea about it.
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Presumably you mean boxing should be illegal, not that it IS? Either way, you're wrong. Boxing isn't about assaulting someone. It's assholes like Mike Tyson who get the wrong idea about it.
Not to mention that the humans involved in boxing make a conscious decision to do so. They aren't whipped into the ring against their will.
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Excellent article. Is he now an "animal rights nut?"
not sure if he is an animal rights nut but he is sure kicking a dog when it's down (pun intended) by jumping on the hot topic for the day. his big stat was that 1.6 out of every 1000 break down. that is less than one quarter of one percent. Hell that percentage of dogs are hit by freakin cars - should be ban cars too?
ok offense....but I think it's funny your board name is 'Elmer'.
Ok....was that joke in bad taste?
Nar. My preferred choices at the time were taken so I mulled on it....always liked 'elmer'(the two lower case e's make a significant impact), used it randomly once as a christian name but won't get into that.....
Lyrics by Noel Gallagher, now that's bad taste to me, and coming from a seattlite, woulda thought you'd know better!
These horses have been bred to be freaks of nature. Their legs are too thin to support their bodies adequately. But this makes them faster so those in the horse industry don't care about their overall health or future. You just want them to "hold on" long enough to make money. They give them drugs, and there isn't much testing or oversight in the horse industry. These drugs, steroids and what not are just as bad for horses as people. These are also some of the drugs that cause them to bleed easily. It is not natural to have internal bleeding after you run hard, unless..... you have been given some sort of illegal substance to make your run faster.
I wasn't going to post in this thread but I guess I couldn't resist. I have been in the horse business my whole life (horse racing included). The drug testing done on race horses is pretty extensive. There was a point in the industry where drugs were a problem but that is long gone. It's probably been 15-20 years since this has been a problem. I have no problem with posting your opinion but don't make a post you know nothing about and get mad at people when they don't see your point.
Also, bleeding is pretty common, not in all race horses but a lot. It's not just race horses and its pretty easy to treat. If the problem doesn't go away, they don't continue to race them. I wouldn't really use this to argue why you should ban the industry.
Not to mention that the humans involved in boxing make a conscious decision to do so. They aren't whipped into the ring against their will.
So let me pose a question to you all...
If a horse feels it is being treated so badly by its owner, could it then start acting lazy from that point on, so the owner won't race it? If not then why?
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If a horse feels it is being treated so badly by its owner, could it then start acting lazy from that point on, so the owner won't race it? If not then why?
I'm not in this argument but I don't think a horse has that kind of deductive reasoning.
If a horse feels it is being treated so badly by its owner, could it then start acting lazy from that point on, so the owner won't race it? If not then why?
So, you now expect a horse to put together a train of logical thinking? Do horses solve crossword puzzles in your world too?
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So, you now expect a horse to put together a train of logical thinking? Do horses solve crossword puzzles in your world too?
No they don't, I'm just asking this because if horses can't think like humans, then why the fuck should they be treated like one??!?!?!?!?!?
I'm through with this dumb thread.....all I ask is that you people care as much for your families, in particular your children, and teach them RIGHT from WRONG (don't just teach them to be afraid of everything), as you do these horses. Because that is what you owe your efforts to.
And sometimes is seen a strange spot in the sky...A human being that was giveeeeeeeeeeeeen to flllllllllllllllllllyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
why are people so compelled to argue for animal right, but few of those same people give an "f" that our government has served to f over people in this country and the world over by bending over for corporations? I guess my main argument is a handful of horses and dogs dying sucks but comparitive to other issues in this world it's relatively meaningless. Is it barbaric? probably. Is it stupid? certainly. But seriously what's worse 1.6 horses dying per 1000, or 1.5 million dead in Iraq? A dogfighting ring or a 30 percent poverty rate in the United States? Michael Vick or Phil Knight?
why are people so compelled to argue for animal right, but few of those same people give an "f" that our government has served to f over people in this country and the world over by bending over for corporations? I guess my main argument is a handful of horses and dogs dying sucks but comparitive to other issues in this world it's relatively meaningless. Is it barbaric? probably. Is it stupid? certainly. But seriously what's worse 1.6 horses dying per 1000, or 1.5 million dead in Iraq? A dogfighting ring or a 30 percent poverty rate in the United States? Michael Vick or Phil Knight?
Whether or not you are claiming to be an expert, you are spewing freely about what you know openly claim to know nothing about ( it is obvious from all of your posts as well ). It is unfortunate, however, that you think it is OK to be highly critical of something you claim to also know nothing about.
I am glad to hear that five thousand dollars is a " few dollars " to you, and thus look forward to hearing about your even more substantial donations towards the care for these animals you profess to care about so dearly.
sorry my bad didn't concentrate on your post. also wasn't my intention not to reply to this, my internet connection went down. but now that i'm back all i will say is that i've said my opinion in my previous posts, and i'm not going to debate about this anymore, cause i'm not going to repeat myself over and over again.
why are people so compelled to argue for animal right, but few of those same people give an "f" that our government has served to f over people in this country and the world over by bending over for corporations? I guess my main argument is a handful of horses and dogs dying sucks but comparitive to other issues in this world it's relatively meaningless. Is it barbaric? probably. Is it stupid? certainly. But seriously what's worse 1.6 horses dying per 1000, or 1.5 million dead in Iraq? A dogfighting ring or a 30 percent poverty rate in the United States? Michael Vick or Phil Knight?
yes I will be going to preakness in two weeks.
Well, maybe some people like to provide a voice where there is none. The horses have yet to get off their lazy asses and voice their outrage, so I guess some folks feel inclined to do it for them. People can speak or act out when they are oppressed, horses can't.
I, for one, don't place any more value on a human life than I do the life of an animal... but that's just me.
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You don't know me either. Trust me, my opinions get a lot worse. I am being tame because I know how upset some folks would get around here if I really let you know how I feel.
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I, for one, don't place any more value on a human life than I do the life of an animal... but that's just me.
i remember i've said the same line few months ago, then went on "debating" about it for a long long time......until people found me insane and ridiculous.
You don't know me either. Trust me, my opinions get a lot worse. I am being tame because I know how upset some folks would get around here if I really let you know how I feel.
i'd rather you voice them, after all this is a place where we discuss please don't hold any of your opinions back because of upsetting few people. everyone should be heard
You don't know me either. Trust me, my opinions get a lot worse. I am being tame because I know how upset some folks would get around here if I really let you know how I feel.
I'm not judging you or anything. I just find it hard to believe.
If you could either save a human being or save an animal, it would not matter to you which one you saved because they are equally valuable?
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Maybe it is cruel, not something I've thought about till now. My grandfather was into the racing, never a betting man, think he just liked the horses and the competition aspect of it all.
ok offense....but I think it's funny your board name is 'Elmer'.
Ok....was that joke in bad taste?
Isn't that enough to consider the "sport" cruel?
I don't care how much they love their fucking horses, they love the payoff so so so much more.
Fucking morons
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=3382235&sportCat=horse
And excellent job using faux math to try to refute a point. Classy.
Not to mention that the humans involved in boxing make a conscious decision to do so. They aren't whipped into the ring against their will.
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Excellent article. Is he now an "animal rights nut?"
I second this!!! Have you ever seen the way they treat those clowns!?!?!? They stuff a ton of them into that small car! Like sardines I tell ya!
not sure if he is an animal rights nut but he is sure kicking a dog when it's down (pun intended) by jumping on the hot topic for the day. his big stat was that 1.6 out of every 1000 break down. that is less than one quarter of one percent. Hell that percentage of dogs are hit by freakin cars - should be ban cars too?
Lyrics by Noel Gallagher, now that's bad taste to me, and coming from a seattlite, woulda thought you'd know better!
I wasn't going to post in this thread but I guess I couldn't resist. I have been in the horse business my whole life (horse racing included). The drug testing done on race horses is pretty extensive. There was a point in the industry where drugs were a problem but that is long gone. It's probably been 15-20 years since this has been a problem. I have no problem with posting your opinion but don't make a post you know nothing about and get mad at people when they don't see your point.
Also, bleeding is pretty common, not in all race horses but a lot. It's not just race horses and its pretty easy to treat. If the problem doesn't go away, they don't continue to race them. I wouldn't really use this to argue why you should ban the industry.
It's kind of ironic, isn't it?
...about the glue I mean.
So let me pose a question to you all...
If a horse feels it is being treated so badly by its owner, could it then start acting lazy from that point on, so the owner won't race it? If not then why?
I'm not in this argument but I don't think a horse has that kind of deductive reasoning.
So, you now expect a horse to put together a train of logical thinking? Do horses solve crossword puzzles in your world too?
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No they don't, I'm just asking this because if horses can't think like humans, then why the fuck should they be treated like one??!?!?!?!?!?
I'm through with this dumb thread.....all I ask is that you people care as much for your families, in particular your children, and teach them RIGHT from WRONG (don't just teach them to be afraid of everything), as you do these horses. Because that is what you owe your efforts to.
yes I will be going to preakness in two weeks.
Nice post
Have fun at the preakness. I'm jealous!!!
sorry my bad didn't concentrate on your post. also wasn't my intention not to reply to this, my internet connection went down. but now that i'm back all i will say is that i've said my opinion in my previous posts, and i'm not going to debate about this anymore, cause i'm not going to repeat myself over and over again.
Well, maybe some people like to provide a voice where there is none. The horses have yet to get off their lazy asses and voice their outrage, so I guess some folks feel inclined to do it for them. People can speak or act out when they are oppressed, horses can't.
I, for one, don't place any more value on a human life than I do the life of an animal... but that's just me.
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You don't? I find that very hard to believe.
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i remember i've said the same line few months ago, then went on "debating" about it for a long long time......until people found me insane and ridiculous.
i'd rather you voice them, after all this is a place where we discuss please don't hold any of your opinions back because of upsetting few people. everyone should be heard
or if you want pm them to me
I'm not judging you or anything. I just find it hard to believe.
If you could either save a human being or save an animal, it would not matter to you which one you saved because they are equally valuable?
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