Horseracing is Cruelty

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  • the little guy
    the little guy Posts: 27
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    I can think of many things I'd rather challenge myself with intellectually than how fast Sea Biscuit is going to run today in a circle today.

    I know, I know, there's many factors to horse racing.., which way the winds blowing, did the horse eat his Wheaties, how fast were his parents, how much does the jockey weigh, what was in the horsey's poop last night..


    To each their own....but it doesn't speak well of you that you are the kind of person that mocks what you don't understand.
  • Fortunate Son1
    Fortunate Son1 Posts: 89
    MattCameronKicksButt wrote:
    That's what I thought until someone said it can cause them to bleed internally. Surely though the owners would not let that happen since they love their horses so much.

    I'd like to say this is absolute bull but I'm afraid I don't know any better.


    It can cause them to bleed internally?....big deal......driving CAN cause an accident resulting in death....swimming CAN cause drowning...jogging outside CAN cause muscle pain/joint inflammation....so do we stop doing all those?
    And sometimes is seen a strange spot in the sky...A human being that was giveeeeeeeeeeeeen to flllllllllllllllllllyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    the little guy wrote:
    To each their own....but it doesn't speak well of you that you are the kind of person that mocks what you don't understand.
    Whats there to understand?, Train me.. Would horse racing exist without gambling?
  • genie
    genie Posts: 2,222
    Fortunate Son1 wrote:
    No, a circus is not cruel.

    So, would you then say training a house pet to not make a mess of the house is cruelty to animals? You're training it to do something it wasn't meant to do, right?

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=iqAgv-Uobhs then have a look at the link i've given you, circus is sick.

    no i don't think asking your pet not to do something is cruelty, same as i don't think asking you child not to do sometihng is called cruelty. however Austrian guy using his own daughter for sex and keeping them captive is called cruelty, pretty similar to circus don't you think? both kept captive and both are kept for pleasure.
  • BinFrog
    BinFrog MA Posts: 7,314
    genie wrote:
    i don't think those horses want to be taken care of, if it were their choice they'd be free running in the wild.



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  • MattCameronKicksButt
    MattCameronKicksButt Posts: 4,317
    Fortunate Son1 wrote:
    It can cause them to blead internally?....big deal......driving CAN cause an accident resulting in death....swimming CAN cause drowning...jogging outside CAN cause muscle pain/joint inflammation....so do we stop doing all those?

    Good point except I don't know how common it is. Horse racing being cruel has never even crossed my mind before. I'll have to ask the country bumpkins this week. :)

    You're an argumentative little so and so, aren't you? :D
  • Strangest Tribe
    Strangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    What I find amazingly ignorant is the reaction that people have to have when animals bite back.

    When a dog bites your kid it's always a bad dog, and not that the kid was pulling its tail.

    When a horse bucks its rider, it's a mean horse.

    When a bull gores its rider or a rodeo clown to death, then it's euthanized.

    When a tiger in the zoo mauls a kid that was antagonizing it, the tiger is euthanized.

    Morons
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  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    Fortunate Son1 wrote:
    It can cause them to bleed internally?....big deal......driving CAN cause an accident resulting in death....swimming CAN cause drowning...jogging outside CAN cause muscle pain/joint inflammation....so do we stop doing all those?
    Um.. the horses or the people?
  • genie
    genie Posts: 2,222
    the little guy wrote:
    This couldn't be farther from the truth. Horse racing is one the world's great intellectual challenges.

    :D hahah, now this post made me laugh a lot,do you even hear what you're saying? hahaha.........chess is an intellectual game
  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    Strangest Tribe wrote:
    What I find amazingly ignorant is the reaction that people have to have when animals bite back.

    When a dog bites your kid it's always a bad dog, and not that the kid was pulling its tail.

    When a horse bucks its rider, it's a mean horse.

    When a bull gores its rider or a rodeo clown to death, then it's euthanized.

    When a tiger in the zoo mauls a kid that was antagonizing it, the tiger is euthanized.

    Morons
    If I was a pet, I'd maul my owner too.
  • mookie blaylock 10
    mookie blaylock 10 Posts: 4,042
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    Whats there to understand?, Train me.. Would horse racing exist without gambling?

    not likely. if there wasn't monetary gain, people would just look at it as a little person whipping a horse.
  • genie
    genie Posts: 2,222
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    I can think of many things I'd rather challenge myself with intellectually than how fast Sea Biscuit is going to run in a circle today.

    I know, I know, there's many factors to horse racing.., which way the winds blowing, did the horse eat his Wheaties, how fast were his parents, how much does the jockey weigh, what was in the horsey's poop last night..

    i love your sarcasm :D
  • Fortunate Son1
    Fortunate Son1 Posts: 89
    genie wrote:
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=iqAgv-Uobhs then have a look at the link i've given you, circus is sick.

    no i don't think asking your pet not to do something is cruelty, same as i don't think asking you child not to do sometihng is called cruelty. however Austrian guy using his own daughter for sex and keeping them captive is called cruelty, pretty similar to circus don't you think? both kept captive and both are kept for pleasure.


    That could be some small time local circus. I'm sure the big name circuses that tour the country, Garden Bros. or Barnum & Bailey to name a couple, use saner methods to train their animals...its up to the individual promoters really.

    Yes, aussie guy is sick, but please don't try and compare him to a circus...please don't.
    And sometimes is seen a strange spot in the sky...A human being that was giveeeeeeeeeeeeen to flllllllllllllllllllyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
  • mookie blaylock 10
    mookie blaylock 10 Posts: 4,042
    genie wrote:
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=iqAgv-Uobhs then have a look at the link i've given you, circus is sick.

    no i don't think asking your pet not to do something is cruelty, same as i don't think asking you child not to do sometihng is called cruelty. however Austrian guy using his own daughter for sex and keeping them captive is called cruelty, pretty similar to circus don't you think? both kept captive and both are kept for pleasure.

    i went to the circus once. it made me ill. i'll never go again. it felt very wrong to me.
  • the little guy
    the little guy Posts: 27
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    Whats there to understand?, Train me.. Would horse racing exist without gambling?

    It would exist, but not as it does today. It was started as a game between wealthy owners privately racing their horses against each other. However, wagering on the races is absolutely what fuels the game, and without it there would be very little horse racing.

    However, IMO this is a good thing, as the industry provides a great many positives, both financially ( though few in the business actually make much money ) and personally. Horses have provided a great deal of pleasure to many people in a variety of ways. There are many programs with prisons and disadvantage youth that enable these people to care for retired thoroughbreds and teach them a trade that gives them an opportunity to improve their future lives. Personally it has provided me with my raison d'etre, my passion, and has improved my life in that I am able to work within an industry that I love. Don't get me wrong, I understand very well that it is far from a perfect industry, and do what I can to try and improve it, but I don't think it's fair for those that have no real understanding of it to use this unfortunate event to react unfairly.
  • genie
    genie Posts: 2,222
    the little guy wrote:
    How do you know things are being done to them against their will? You know absolutely nothing about horseracing, yet speak as though you are an expert, but have no interest in actually learning truth. Why would you....it doesn't fit your agenda of ignorance.

    Since you care so greatly about these horses, I hope you are actively involved in foundations that help provide homes for retired thoroughbreds. Personally I would recommend the Thoroughbred Retirement Fund and suggest you look up their website. I recently donated $5K to them but that shouldn't stop you from doing what you personally can to help these animals that you claim to care so very deeply about.

    your question above is silly. and yes i know nothing about horse racing, but i'm not actually pretending to be an expert where did i say that i claim to have the knowledge?

    i'm glad you donated few dollars to them, well done to you. but you know if there were no thoroughbreds then there wouldn't have to be any retirement places........
  • the little guy
    the little guy Posts: 27
    genie wrote:
    :D hahah, now this post made me laugh a lot,do you even hear what you're saying? hahaha.........chess is an intellectual game


    Chess is an intellectual game....no doubt. As is backgammon, bridge, poker, go and a host of others. Horse racing is as well....and once again, if you knew anything about that which you speak, you would understand this clearly.
  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    mookie blaylock 10 wrote:
    i went to the circus once. it made me ill. i'll never go again. it felt very wrong to me.
    I went too at a young age. I never wanted to go again. Scary clowns doing fucked up things, animals being whipped and forced to jump through fire, people on stilts, an announcer who looks and sounds liked he's whacked out of his fucking mind, scary organ music, fucked up spinning colors..
  • Fortunate Son1
    Fortunate Son1 Posts: 89
    MattCameronKicksButt wrote:
    Good point except I don't know how common it is. Horse racing being cruel has never even crossed my mind before. I'll have to ask the country bumpkins this week. :)

    You're an argumentative little so and so, aren't you? :D

    haha yes I am. This board brings out the best in me sometimes (or should I say worst!)....some people on this thing I honesly believe just talk stupidity to see what reaction they get.

    And I bet horse racing being cruel never crossed your mind because I'm sure you have better things to do during the day.
    And sometimes is seen a strange spot in the sky...A human being that was giveeeeeeeeeeeeen to flllllllllllllllllllyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
  • Strangest Tribe
    Strangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    MattCameronKicksButt wrote:
    Good point except I don't know how common it is. Horse racing being cruel has never even crossed my mind before. I'll have to ask the country bumpkins this week. :)

    You're an argumentative little so and so, aren't you? :D

    I'd post a link but I'm on an iPhone. Yeah, they're treated with Lasix. Wiki that. They hemmorrage internally, and usually its visible around the nose and mouth after a "big race"
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