Horseracing is Cruelty

Jeremy1012

eyedclaar wrote:

I, for one, don't place any more value on a human life than I do the life of an animal... but that's just me.

Same.

Actually, some people's lives I value less. Horses are generally innocent.

Of course, it's not for me to decide which peoples' lives have less value than others so it's all irrelevant but I sure as hell don't treat human life as any more special than animals. If you show me a creature capable of emotion, I will show you a creature as valuable as a human.

Strangest Tribe

ryan198 wrote:

why are people so compelled to argue for animal right, but few of those same people give an "f" that our government has served to f over people in this country and the world over by bending over for corporations? I guess my main argument is a handful of horses and dogs dying sucks but comparitive to other issues in this world it's relatively meaningless. Is it barbaric? probably. Is it stupid? certainly. But seriously what's worse 1.6 horses dying per 1000, or 1.5 million dead in Iraq? A dogfighting ring or a 30 percent poverty rate in the United States? Michael Vick or Phil Knight?

yes I will be going to preakness in two weeks.

this thread is about cruelty in horseracing... you can find me in the other threads about the Iraq war and such as well....

eyedclaar

Collin wrote:

I'm not judging you or anything. I just find it hard to believe.

If you could either save a human being or save an animal, it would not matter to you which one you saved because they are equally valuable?

Might depend on the situation. Very few people would understand my perspective and I'm not even suggesting that I know it would be the "right" choice, but I'd personally lean towards saving the animal.

aNiMaL

Wow, PETA sure knows how to call out the wacko's.

Where were you the last 133 years of the Kentucky Derby - or an other horse racing track in the US?

I love how PETA tells you to be up in arms over something - and you people snap to it.

Save it.

Personally, I love going to the track and watch the horse race. Good damn time!!

Collin

eyedclaar wrote:

Might depend on the situation. Very few people would understand my perspective and I'm not even suggesting that I know it would be the "right" choice, but I'd personally lean towards saving the animal.

You're right, I don't understand your perspective. Care to elaborate?

Also, if you have a preference, you do place more value on the one than on the other.

eyedclaar

Collin wrote:

You're right, I don't understand your perspective. Care to elaborate?

Also, if you have a preference, you do place more value on the one than on the other.

No. I think I'm already disliked enough 'round these parts. Suffice to say, my philosophies stem from the Cherokee blood in my heart but have evolved into a game of numbers with my white blood logistics. Not to mention the cosmic spider web...

Don't get me started.

JOEJOEJOE

the little guy wrote:

How do you know things are being done to them against their will? You know absolutely nothing about horseracing, yet speak as though you are an expert, but have no interest in actually learning truth. Why would you....it doesn't fit your agenda of ignorance.

Since you care so greatly about these horses, I hope you are actively involved in foundations that help provide homes for retired thoroughbreds. Personally I would recommend the Thoroughbred Retirement Fund and suggest you look up their website. I recently donated $5K to them but that shouldn't stop you from doing what you personally can to help these animals that you claim to care so very deeply about.

By donating to the "thoroughbred retirement fund", do you really mean you bet $5,000 on a race and lost?

ryan198

Strangest Tribe wrote:

this thread is about cruelty in horseracing... you can find me in the other threads about the Iraq war and such as well....

I know that there are few of you out there that have strong opinions on both, but it just seems-on the whole-that the spectacle of the Kentucky Derby and Preakness, and the fact that we witness those death's it has a bigger effect on the general public. You think we'd still be at war if we had the same level of coverage after every soldier died? How about the Olympics or Super Bowl if we gave as much coverage as 8 Bells has had to some kid in Indonesia sewing soccer balls, and cleats for us to be able to enjoy the game?

Like I said in my post I don't necessarily think animal sports are a great idea, but on the grand scale these events are miniscule in scale compared to other things going on.

Finally, I guess I admit that I am a humanist, and place human beings above other animals on the hierarchy of living. That's may not be the best way to think, but I do...sorry.

Strangest Tribe

aNiMaL wrote:

Wow, PETA sure knows how to call out the wacko's.

Where were you the last 133 years of the Kentucky Derby - or an other horse racing track in the US?

I love how PETA tells you to be up in arms over something - and you people snap to it.

Save it.

Personally, I love going to the track and watch the horse race. Good damn time!!

Actually there was a similar discussion last year when Barbaro was euthanised and I have posted in numerous other threads regarding animal cruelty.

but your post was poignant and clever....

keep up the good work with your quest for 20000 meaningless posts

ryan198

Strangest Tribe wrote:

Actually there was a similar discussion last year when Barbaro was euthanised and I have posted in numerous other threads regarding animal cruelty.

but your post was poignant and clever....

keep up the good work with your quest for 20000 meaningless posts

Maybe the way I was brought up (that animals were functional) has made me think differently about their use in sports, b/c if I remember correctly, generally we agree on most things. It's a weird thing I guess.

Strangest Tribe

ryan198 wrote:

I know that there are few of you out there that have strong opinions on both, but it just seems-on the whole-that the spectacle of the Kentucky Derby and Preakness, and the fact that we witness those death's it has a bigger effect on the general public. You think we'd still be at war if we had the same level of coverage after every soldier died? How about the Olympics or Super Bowl if we gave as much coverage as 8 Bells has had to some kid in Indonesia sewing soccer balls, and cleats for us to be able to enjoy the game?

Like I said in my post I don't necessarily think animal sports are a great idea, but on the grand scale these events are miniscule in scale compared to other things going on.

Finally, I guess I admit that I am a humanist, and place human beings above other animals on the hierarchy of living. That's may not be the best way to think, but I do...sorry.

you're right...there certainly are more important topics to explore.

No worries though this will be old news tomorrow when we are discussing the next celebrity that goes to jail.

but today this topic is hot and we'll go back to fretting over the war and oil prices and economic downturns as well as the ongoing soap opera called the primary elections

Strangest Tribe

ryan198 wrote:

Maybe the way I was brought up (that animals were functional) has made me think differently about their use in sports, b/c if I remember correctly, generally we agree on most things. It's a weird thing I guess.

I grew up on a farm, we've used horses ( errr....mules) to pull tractors out of the mud. I'm totally acceptable to the use of animals for what I feel are reasonable purpose.

Horseracing just pushes them too hard... any time an animal bleeds from its lungs out its nose after a hard run, just goes beyond reasonable respect toward that animal IMO.

g under p

Strangest Tribe wrote:

Bullshit...that's just an excuse...and a very poor one

it's cruelty and ignorant and needs to be stopped

If you felt such passion for this subject matter why didn't you start this thread before what tragically happened on television. I'd have more respect for your thoughts and feelings if you had done this post that way.

Peace

Jeanie

Wow! Just Wow!

I sure hope none of you that have been banging on here about horses running, a natural instinct of theirs by the way, haven't EVER ridden one, because you know they aren't born with a saddle purely for human purposes. Not to mention how we have used them for centuries as work animals.

Face facts people, NOTHING lives in its "natural" state anymore, whatever the hell that was in the first place. The number of horses that would die if we released them all back to their "natural habitat" would be truly staggering, you can't tell me that isn't just as cruel and unusual punishment for such beautiful creatures.

At no point would I support the cruelty of animals but the bottom line is, if a horse doesn't want to run it will not run. Plain and simple. That a hoard of people have capitilized on that is an entirely different issue but I guess that gets lost once PETA gets on board.

Strangest Tribe

g under p wrote:

If you felt such passion for this subject matter why didn't you start this thread before what tragically happened on television. I'd have more respect for your thoughts and feelings if you had done this post that way.

Peace

Hey buddy... how goes it???

heh I actually posted in a thread last summer along these same lines... can't seem to find it now though.

I did have the Tarot cards on the table last week and that one with the horse skull fell out on the floor does that get me back in your good graces of respect???

sorry about those Patriots

Strangest Tribe

Jeanie wrote:

Wow! Just Wow!

I sure hope none of you that have been banging on here about horses running, a natural instinct of theirs by the way, haven't EVER ridden one, because you know they aren't born with a saddle purely for human purposes. Not to mention how we have used them for centuries as work animals.

Face facts people, NOTHING lives in its "natural" state anymore, whatever the hell that was in the first place. The number of horses that would die if we released them all back to their "natural habitat" would be truly staggering, you can't tell me that isn't just as cruel and unusual punishment for such beautiful creatures.

At no point would I support the cruelty of animals but the bottom line is, if a horse doesn't want to run it will not run. Plain and simple. That a hoard of people have capitilized on that is an entirely different issue but I guess that gets lost once PETA gets on board.

your post has confused me

so...if I started beating you with a stick you wouldn't try to escape from me???

in_hiding79

pjhawks wrote:

i knew the wackos would come out after the Derby. These horses are bred SOLEY for the purpuse of being race horses. These are not show horses or pets, they are THOROUGHBREDS. Thoroughbreds are runners. None of these horses would EVER be born if not for the horse racing industry. As I stated in the Kentucky Derby thread on here - thousands of thoroughbreds raced on saturday in the US. One died on tv. It is sad, don't get me wrong but not the end of the world. A Philly cop was shot to death on sunday yet no threads on that. Let's have some perspective.

Well that statement means nothing to an animal lover!!! Sorry...

g under p

Strangest Tribe wrote:

Hey buddy... how goes it???

heh I actually posted in a thread last summer along these same lines... can't seem to find it now though.

I did have the Tarot cards on the table last week and that one with the horse skull fell out on the floor does that get me back in your good graces of respect???

sorry about those Patriots

No biggie, it's over NY took that title and besides we humans can come back and play again another day unlike that filly who ran a great race. 19-0 in 08-09.

Well, if you have felt this way all along then I most certainly respect your opinion on this subject matter.

Peace

Strangest Tribe

Jeanie wrote:

Wow! Just Wow!

I sure hope none of you that have been banging on here about horses running, a natural instinct of theirs by the way, haven't EVER ridden one, because you know they aren't born with a saddle purely for human purposes. Not to mention how we have used them for centuries as work animals.

Face facts people, NOTHING lives in its "natural" state anymore, whatever the hell that was in the first place. The number of horses that would die if we released them all back to their "natural habitat" would be truly staggering, you can't tell me that isn't just as cruel and unusual punishment for such beautiful creatures.

At no point would I support the cruelty of animals but the bottom line is, if a horse doesn't want to run it will not run. Plain and simple. That a hoard of people have capitilized on that is an entirely different issue but I guess that gets lost once PETA gets on board.

hey Jeanie, I thought you didn't like people who mistreated animals???

you haven't flip-fopped on me have you???

Jeanie

Strangest Tribe wrote:

your post has confused me

so...if I started beating you with a stick you wouldn't try to escape from me???

Ditto your response. I fail to see what it has to do with the topic of the thread, but I'll answer. If you started beating me with a stick I'd probably fight for my life and if that failed I'd run. What's your point?