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Horseracing is Cruelty

Strangest TribeStrangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
edited May 2008 in All Encompassing Trip
and Rodeos....

can't get over how dumb some people are.... I hope everyone felt real important with their pretty hats and mint julips.

fucking morons.
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    Strangest Tribe wrote:
    and Rodeos....

    can't get over how dumb some people are.... I hope everyone felt real important with their pretty hats and mint julips.

    fucking morons.

    I think that's only the 4th time in a hundred and some years that a horse has broken down at the Derby.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

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  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,593
    i knew the wackos would come out after the Derby. These horses are bred SOLEY for the purpuse of being race horses. These are not show horses or pets, they are THOROUGHBREDS. Thoroughbreds are runners. None of these horses would EVER be born if not for the horse racing industry. As I stated in the Kentucky Derby thread on here - thousands of thoroughbreds raced on saturday in the US. One died on tv. It is sad, don't get me wrong but not the end of the world. A Philly cop was shot to death on sunday yet no threads on that. Let's have some perspective.
  • orig_long redorig_long red Posts: 2,029
    any time you take advantage of an animal's natural instincts, it's just plain wrong. i dont care how long its been going on or how "well" these animals are treated.

    i'd love to jump on the back of one of these horse-racing enthusiasts and ride him around town, whipping him in the ass until his leg break, giving me cause to shoot him in the head.
    Jam out with your clam out.
  • Strangest TribeStrangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    pjhawks wrote:
    i knew the wackos would come out after the Derby. These horses are bred SOLEY for the purpuse of being race horses. These are not show horses or pets, they are THOROUGHBREDS. Thoroughbreds are runners. None of these horses would EVER be born if not for the horse racing industry. As I stated in the Kentucky Derby thread on here - thousands of thoroughbreds raced on saturday in the US. One died on tv. It is sad, don't get me wrong but not the end of the world. A Philly cop was shot to death on sunday yet no threads on that. Let's have some perspective.

    Bullshit...that's just an excuse...and a very poor one

    it's cruelty and ignorant and needs to be stopped
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  • acoustic guyacoustic guy Posts: 3,770
    pjhawks wrote:
    i knew the wackos would come out after the Derby. These horses are bred SOLEY for the purpuse of being race horses. These are not show horses or pets, they are THOROUGHBREDS. Thoroughbreds are runners. None of these horses would EVER be born if not for the horse racing industry. As I stated in the Kentucky Derby thread on here - thousands of thoroughbreds raced on saturday in the US. One died on tv. It is sad, don't get me wrong but not the end of the world. A Philly cop was shot to death on sunday yet no threads on that. Let's have some perspective.

    Well said.
    I love animals and think horse racing is totally fine.
    They take really good care of those horses.
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  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,593
    Strangest Tribe wrote:
    Bullshit...that's just an excuse...and a very poor one

    it's cruelty and ignorant and needs to be stopped

    actually mine is a fact - these horses are bred solely for this purpose but never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
  • orig_long redorig_long red Posts: 2,029
    pjhawks wrote:
    actually mine is a fact - these horses are bred solely for this purpose but never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

    what does what their bred for have to do with anything?

    so if a sex slave is born to be a sex slave, it's okay because that's what she was bred for.
    Jam out with your clam out.
  • geniegenie Posts: 2,222
    pjhawks wrote:
    i knew the wackos would come out after the Derby. These horses are bred SOLEY for the purpuse of being race horses. These are not show horses or pets, they are THOROUGHBREDS. Thoroughbreds are runners. None of these horses would EVER be born if not for the horse racing industry. As I stated in the Kentucky Derby thread on here - thousands of thoroughbreds raced on saturday in the US. One died on tv. It is sad, don't get me wrong but not the end of the world. A Philly cop was shot to death on sunday yet no threads on that. Let's have some perspective.

    Philly cop was not made to be a cop, he chose to do police work. So what if those horses were raised for this industry? doesn't mean we should treat them solely as an intertainment value, and then discard them like a dirt on the shoe when we no longer want them
  • Strangest TribeStrangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    pjhawks wrote:
    actually mine is a fact - these horses are bred solely for this purpose but never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

    no actually that's my point... why breed animals into such cruelty?

    Many people don't realize that race horses often bleed internally after such hard runs.

    It's ridiculous.

    I raise horses btw.
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  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,593
    genie wrote:
    Philly cop was not made to be a cop, he chose to do police work. So what if those horses were raised for this industry? doesn't mean we should treat them solely as an intertainment value, and then discard them like a dirt on the shoe when we no longer want them

    wow don't even know how to respond to this insanity. So because the Philly cop chose what to do his dying is less cruel? this is why I said I knew the wackos would come out. Just nuts.


    all you people commenting negatively about horse racing - I ask you - what do you eat to survive? Do you eat meat, fish, plants? or are you just hypocritcal for argument sakes?
  • geniegenie Posts: 2,222
    Strangest Tribe wrote:
    no actually that's my point... why bread animals into such cruelty?

    Many people don't realize that race horses often bleed internally after such hard runs.

    It's ridiculous.

    I raise horses btw.

    it's nothing new to me, at least people like yourself have a chance to change things if you don't like what's going on in the world. or at least try to protest or something.
  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,593
    Strangest Tribe wrote:
    no actually that's my point... why bread animals into such cruelty?

    Many people don't realize that race horses often bleed internally after such hard runs.

    It's ridiculous.

    I raise horses btw.


    oh so your horses never die? I mean they live forever right because surely nothing you do would ever harm them? I mean you make sure they never get cut and bleed right.
  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    Strangest Tribe wrote:

    can't get over how dumb some people are....
    Thanks for showing us......
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  • geniegenie Posts: 2,222
    pjhawks wrote:
    wow don't even know how to respond to this insanity. So because the Philly cop chose what to do his dying is less cruel? this is why I said I knew the wackos would come out. Just nuts.


    all you people commenting negatively about horse racing - I ask you - what do you eat to survive? Do you eat meat, fish, plants? or are you just hypocritcal for argument sakes?

    you're not the first one to say i'm insane, but just to say, i thank you for saying so, because to me it's a compliment.

    death of a cop is tragedy also, however you missed or dissmissed my point. That cop was not raised to police and have any associated health risks to go with it. Don't try and start bringing the whole issue of humans vs. animals, please the stories about a cop and a horse are different, they can't be compared.

    as for being a hypocrite, then you have no argument here as well, i spoke about entertainment i didn't say anything about not eating an animal.

    Entertainment and eating food to survive are two different things ya know.
  • geniegenie Posts: 2,222
    pjhawks wrote:
    oh so your horses never die? I mean they live forever right because surely nothing you do would ever harm them? I mean you make sure they never get cut and bleed right.

    this actually makes me laugh, once again your whole statment is a joke.
  • South of SeattleSouth of Seattle West Seattle Posts: 10,724
    What about sled dogs? is that cruel also? Sigfried and Roy? Dog Shows? etc . .
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  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,593
    genie wrote:
    you're not the first one to say i'm insane, but just to say, i thank you for saying so, because to me it's a compliment.

    death of a cop is tragedy also, however you missed or dissmissed my point. That cop was not raised to police and have any associated health risks to go with it. Don't try and start bringing the whole issue of humans vs. animals, please the stories about a cop and a horse are different, they can't be compared.

    as for being a hypocrite, then you have no argument here as well, i spoke about entertainment i didn't say anything about not eating an animal.

    Entertainment and eating food to survive are two different things ya know.


    how are entertainment (actually horse racing is business, a billion dollary indusry) and eating food to survive different when you are referring to how the animals are treated and the cruelty? so are you saying you are only against animal cruelty when it suits your purpose as I stated above? again that's pretty hypocritical isn't it?
  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,593
    genie wrote:
    this actually makes me laugh, once again your whole statment is a joke.

    how is it a joke? he stated it's cruel because the horses bleed after running. again are you telling me that nothing he does harms his horses in any way? because surely if anything he did harmed his horses in any way it would be cruel wouldn't it? again per your other argument, it's only cruel when it serves your purposes for argument sake isn't it?
  • geniegenie Posts: 2,222
    pjhawks wrote:
    how are entertainment (actually horse racing is business, a billion dollary indusry) and eating food to survive different when you are referring to how the animals are treated and the cruelty? so are you saying you are only against animal cruelty when it suits your purpose as I stated above? again that's pretty hypocritical isn't it?

    it called balance, majority of things that humans do are in one way or another detrimental to the whole world, do you honestly think eating a plat is ok? you know plant is alive organism, just like the most of us on this planet. ;)
    :p

    eating something or someone necessary act for survival, but watching horseracing is just a pleasure, if people stop watching it they're not going to die.
  • geniegenie Posts: 2,222
    pjhawks wrote:
    how is it a joke? he stated it's cruel because the horses bleed after running. again are you telling me that nothing he does harms his horses in any way? because surely if anything he did harmed his horses in any way it would be cruel wouldn't it? again per your other argument, it's only cruel when it serves your purposes for argument sake isn't it?

    continuous running and excessive running will be damaging, if horse didn't run so much it wouldn't have this bleeding. and yes of course if someone harmed their horses for ENTERTAINMENT that would be considered cruelty.
  • Strangest TribeStrangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    I don't hop on my horses hit them with a crop and run them till they bleed out their noses and break their legs.
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  • harmless_little_f***harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    Any animal racing is heinous.. in all kinds of ways. Greyhound racing is particularly disgusting.
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  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Those people who race turtles piss me off, too.
  • Strangest TribeStrangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    South of Seattle wrote:
    What about sled dogs? is that cruel also? Sigfried and Roy? Dog Shows? etc . .
    Sled dogs? Like horses are a necessity to the Inuits as a means of survival in the Arctic. The Idiot-a-rod race is also cruel to those dogs, many die from that grueling race.

    All animal shows that involve beating the animals to submit to performing "cutesy" acts so your 8 year old daughter can be "entertained for a couple of hours, is also cruelty.
    the Minions
  • RiverrunnerRiverrunner Posts: 2,419
    The horse racing industry is cruel! And it is an industry. That don't give a rat's ass about the horses. It is about the money. Someone on here said they take good care of their horses, but that is only as long as they make money. There are lots and lots of "race horses" born every year, but only a few are successful. What do you think happens to the rest of them? Do you think they are sent to a beautiful farm somewhere where they can graze and run around the pasture? No. Many times they are cruelly killed so it looks like an accident and then file a claim with the insurance company. There is a lot of insurance fraud in the horse industry and it all involves the cruel killing and/or maiming of horses. The others were sold to slaughter houses. Within the past year all of the horse slaughter houses in the U.S. were closed. Now they are shipping them into Mexico.

    These horses have been bred to be freaks of nature. Their legs are too thin to support their bodies adequately. But this makes them faster so those in the horse industry don't care about their overall health or future. You just want them to "hold on" long enough to make money. They give them drugs, and there isn't much testing or oversight in the horse industry. These drugs, steroids and what not are just as bad for horses as people. These are also some of the drugs that cause them to bleed easily. It is not natural to have internal bleeding after you run hard, unless..... you have been given some sort of illegal substance to make your run faster.

    This whole industry is full of cruelty. Have you read the investigative articles about what goes on with the jockeys? They are mostly poor kids with little education. They are also used and abused by the industry. Forced into anorexia and bulimia just to make a buck. Weight control is their whole life. It is worse with the jockeys than it is for those in ballet and acrobatics and modeling.

    The horse industry sucks!
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  • Strangest TribeStrangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    Arent the dogs bred for dogfighting also? So what's the difference between dogs being bred to fight and horses being bred to race? Why is one more socially acceptable than the other? Many horses die as a result of racing, and it's not just from broken legs, there are actually more that bleed out and suffer heart attacks than break legs.
    the Minions
  • RiverrunnerRiverrunner Posts: 2,419
    Another major issue in the industry is that they are racing the horses too young. They are starting them at 2 years old, which is way too young. Their legs are not even fully developed by then. I think that is another reason why there are so many breaks is because they are subjecting those not yet developed fragile legs to too much pounding and racing at too young an age. But then again, the younger they start them the more money they can make.
    The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way it treats its animals. Ghandi
  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,593
    genie wrote:
    it called balance, majority of things that humans do are in one way or another detrimental to the whole world, do you honestly think eating a plat is ok? you know plant is alive organism, just like the most of us on this planet. ;)
    :p

    eating something or someone necessary act for survival, but watching horseracing is just a pleasure, if people stop watching it they're not going to die.

    so you admit you are only against cruelty to animals when it doesn't suit your own needs.
  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,593
    Riverrunner wrote:
    Another major issue in the industry is that they are racing the horses too young. They are starting them at 2 years old, which is way too young. Their legs are not even fully developed by then. I think that is another reason why there are so many breaks is because they are subjecting those not yet developed fragile legs to too much pounding and racing at too young an age. But then again, the younger they start them the more money they can make.

    show me statistics on where there are 'so many breaks' - how many race horses ran in the US on saturday. Thousands, if one breaks it's leg while a shame it is not 'so many breaks' - stop over reacting because it was on tv.
    You animal rights nuts act like every horse race a horse dies - it's just not true. A hell of a lot more people were killed in cars this weekend than horses killed racing - should we ban all freakin cars? just stop people.
  • harmless_little_f***harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    pjhawks wrote:
    so you admit you are only against cruelty to animals when it doesn't suit your own needs.

    Does horeseracing meet ANYONE'S needs? Except for the 'need' for mindless entertainment consumption and superfluous amounts of money?
    'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'

    - the great Sir Leo Harrison
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