Obama on race and his pastor

blackredyellow · March 2008

slightofjeff wrote:

I know hating America might not be cause for concern on this board. Many of you seem to hate America, too.

LOL... c'mon, you are too smart to go there.

I think "hates america" has become the most overused, go-to insult when people just can't think of anything else to say...

cornnifer · March 2008

hailhailkc wrote:

Obama has listened to this pastor for the past 20 years...why would he NOW distance himself fromsome of the things this pastor is saying?

Because he's running for office folks...

Don't buy into this. Just because Obama is well spoken doesn't mean he's genuine. You guys fell for the same crap with Bill Clinton.

C'mon now. i know your a conservative. Are you trying to tell me you never disagree with your pastor? i don't believe you. How long have you been attending your church? Do you know where your pastor stands on, lets say, the Bush tax cuts? i've been attending the same church, under the same leadership, for about 15 years and i don't know where my pastor stands on the bush tax cuts, the war in Iraq, or alot of other political issues. That isn't why one attends church. i was pretty sure YOU would understand this.

Abookamongstthemany · March 2008

my2hands wrote:

talk to the 50,000,000 people that voted for Bush...

if people cannot see the stark differences between Obama and McCain then i dont know what to tell em...

for the record... Nader is not a qualified candidate for President in my opinion. yeah i agree with him on alot of issues... but the man has NEVER held an office, EVER... running a few non profits and railing against wall street does not mean you are qualified for the highest poltical office in the world... so i cant do the "cool" thing and vote for a guy simply because he has no chance of winning... he is a poor candidiate in my opinion

You obviously don't know too much about Nader's body of work. He's done more for the american citizen than the 3 mainstream candidates combined. He has a long list of accomplishments dating back to the 60's all for the safety and concern of the average person.

What have the other three done that qualifies them?

my2hands · March 2008

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

You obviously don't know too much about Nader's body of work.

maybe you could help me out then good friend...

cornnifer · March 2008

jeffbr wrote:

I don't. I don't even irregularly attend church.

You didn't explain what you'd do if your pastor started preaching hate. Would you sit there and try to look past it because you disagreed with him about that but liked eveything else? Would you continue to do that for 15 years? Would you just sit there and be part of the congregation if everyone around you was giving their "amens" to the lunacy? Not me. I'd get up and walk out. The first time.

i didn't think so. That's fine. The point is, i do, attend church regularly, which means i have a better point of reference than you do aboout what goes on there and the diversity of socio-political opinion that exists within the church body.

Now, if my pastor was openly preaching HATE, i probably wouldn't have stuck around for fifteen years. There's your answer. Now, i'd like an answer from you. Some of the pastor's comments are definitely inappropriate. Hate, however, i simply didn't see in any of the soundbytes. What did he say that you percieve as hate? "kill whitey"? Because i must have missed that one. The country IS run by rich white folks that havn't the slightest understanding of the Black experience in America. That isn't hatred. Thats just true. Where's the hate. Anger? Yeah, i hear some anger in those few sound clips. Anger and hate are not synonymous.

cornnifer · March 2008

The stupidity of this whole issue is killin' me. Whats worse is some of the stuf i read in tis forum from self proclaimed "progressives". One thing i find funny is the way people (including many here) are so quick tp chastise Obama for being a man of nothing but words, yet are wanting to crucify him over... words. What's worse, is they are not even HIS WORDS!!! If someone doesn 't agree with Obamas policy proposals and political platform, i'm o.k with that. That is respectable. But to continue to hammer this stupid shit while people in this country, and around the world are hungry, homeless, sick without health coverage, dying in Iraq, being exterminated in Darfur, decimated by AIDS in Africa etc. i simply i have no respect for.

Now, i'm going to say something some will take umbrage with , but, i'm thinking it, and someone has to say it. i simply can't help but think that none of this stuff would be talked about so tirelessly and foolishly were Obama still 30 points behind in the polls with no shot of winning. All of a sudden he's doing well and its "Uh oh this uppity negro just might win". This man is being victimized by institutional American racism at its most heinous.

pjalive21 · March 2008

jwillmo wrote:

However, his speech yesterday was by far the best political speech I've heard in my adult lifetime (which admittedly, is only really the past three election cycles). A speech by "a typical politico fighting for his political life" would have done exactly what you would have wanted, to simply denounce the guy and have nothing to do with him ever again. Instead, he used it as a springboard to say a bunch of other things about race that are true that no one has the balls to say these days.

please say your joking? or that i missed a "LOL" in there somewhere?

im sorry that this Obama speech is the best political speech you have heard...its the best speech someone could have done that was desperate and that got caught with his hand in the political cookie jar

there is NOTHING this man can say to denounce a pastor that he has befriended for 20 years, married him and Michelle, and baptized his children and now all of a sudden while running for president denounces what this man has said...when Obama himself has said he has been like this for years and not just recently

his speech was a reach at best and i am amazed how many suckers out there bought this crap...

i would be ashamed as an african-american to have had this man use race to save his political career

people are so desperate for a leader, someone to cling onto that they are blinded by truth

EDIT::::

Cornnifer----ill blast this man on his words and his political agenda, which are some of the scariest in years and makes George W. Bush's spending spree seem like pennies

brandon10 · March 2008

Obama's speech on Iraq today was even better!!! Someone post a link if you can.

inmytree · March 2008

pjalive21 wrote:

please say your joking? or that i missed a "LOL" in there somewhere?

im sorry that this Obama speech is the best political speech you have heard...its the best speech someone could have done that was desperate and that got caught with his hand in the political cookie jar

there is NOTHING this man can say to denounce a pastor that he has befriended for 20 years, married him and Michelle, and baptized his children and now all of a sudden while running for president denounces what this man has said...when Obama himself has said he has been like this for years and not just recently

his speech was a reach at best and i am amazed how many suckers out there bought this crap...

i would be ashamed as an african-american to have had this man use race to save his political career

people are so desperate for a leader, someone to cling onto that they are blinded by truth

EDIT::::

Cornnifer----ill blast this man on his words and his political agenda, which are some of the scariest in years and makes George W. Bush's spending spree seem like pennies

holy talking points, batman...!!

cornnifer · March 2008

brandon10 wrote:

Obama's speech on Iraq today was even better!!! Someone post a link if you can.

No one will hear it or want to talk about it. Too busy buying into the institutional racist attacks over a few statements made by his fucking church pastor. So much for progressivism.

RainDog · March 2008

pjalive21 wrote:

i would be ashamed as an african-american to have had this man use race to save his political career

The "would be" in your post leads me to assume you're not an African-American.

Good to know you have the transcendental insight to know exactly how you would be were you something entirely different than who you are. There are people who spend their entire lives in prayer, meditation, and/or introspection to acheive such enlightenment. You might have a future career on your hands.

brandon10 · March 2008

cornnifer wrote:

No one will hear it or want to talk about it. Too busy buying into the institutional racist attacks over a few statements made by his fucking church pastor. So much for progressivism.

Yes, it's an absolute shame. Bush, John Mc, Hillary, and Obama all give speeches on Iraq today and people here are still talking about a pastor. Peolple really are afraid of how bright Obama is!!!

Thecure · March 2008

cornnifer wrote:

The stupidity of this whole issue is killin' me. Whats worse is some of the stuf i read in tis forum from self proclaimed "progressives". One thing i find funny is the way people (including many here) are so quick tp chastise Obama for being a man of nothing but words, yet are wanting to crucify him over... words. What's worse, is they are not even HIS WORDS!!! If someone doesn 't agree with Obamas policy proposals and political platform, i'm o.k with that. That is respectable. But to continue to hammer this stupid shit while people in this country, and around the world are hungry, homeless, sick without health coverage, dying in Iraq, being exterminated in Darfur, decimated by AIDS in Africa etc. i simply i have no respect for.

Now, i'm going to say something some will take umbrage with , but, i'm thinking it, and someone has to say it. i simply can't help but think that none of this stuff would be talked about so tirelessly and foolishly were Obama still 30 points behind in the polls with no shot of winning. All of a sudden he's doing well and its "Uh oh this uppity negro just might win". This man is being victimized by institutional American racism at its most heinous.

while i agree with your first paragraph, the second not so much. here is why: i don't think it is foolish that we talk about a person that has influence, according to Obama himself, over someone who could be president. secondly, over course if Obama was 30 points behind we would not talk abotu this but that politics get used to it. finally, he is not being victimized by institutional American Racism he i sstill the front runner to be the next president. every person in teh race right now has faced attacks. remember that McCain issue that he could not raise his arms above his head, people have attack Hillary with terms like Bitch, Tramp.

Thecure · March 2008

brandon10 wrote:

Yes, it's an absolute shame. Bush, John Mc, Hillary, and Obama all give speeches on Iraq today and people here are still talking about a pastor. Peolple really are afraid of how bright Obama is!!!

or how bright McCain and Hillary are. why is this topic so bad, can you explain that to me.

jwillmo · March 2008

pjalive21 wrote:

please say your joking? or that i missed a "LOL" in there somewhere?

im sorry that this Obama speech is the best political speech you have heard...its the best speech someone could have done that was desperate and that got caught with his hand in the political cookie jar

there is NOTHING this man can say to denounce a pastor that he has befriended for 20 years, married him and Michelle, and baptized his children and now all of a sudden while running for president denounces what this man has said...when Obama himself has said he has been like this for years and not just recently

his speech was a reach at best and i am amazed how many suckers out there bought this crap...

i would be ashamed as an african-american to have had this man use race to save his political career

people are so desperate for a leader, someone to cling onto that they are blinded by truth

EDIT::::

Cornnifer----ill blast this man on his words and his political agenda, which are some of the scariest in years and makes George W. Bush's spending spree seem like pennies

Okay, second best next to Stephen Colbert's speech at the Press Corps dinner. Now there's a president!

Sorry, I have nothing else to say to such a ridiculous post. Using race? This was reactionary. It would be nice if he could run for president without having to react to OTHER PEOPLE's words, but apparently people like you would rather talk about stupid shit like this than the real issues.

And I don't know what the fuck "blinded by the truth" is supposed to mean. Maybe I need some glasses so I can see through all the truth that's blinding me and get to the lies? Your metaphors, they confuse me.

inmytree · March 2008

Thecure wrote:

while i agree with your first paragraph, the second not so much. here is why: i don't think it is foolish that we talk about a person that has influence, according to Obama himself, over someone who could be president. secondly, over course if Obama was 30 points behind we would not talk abotu this but that politics get used to it. finally, he is not being victimized by institutional American Racism he i sstill the front runner to be the next president. every person in teh race right now has faced attacks. remember that McCain issue that he could not raise his arms above his head, people have attack Hillary with terms like Bitch, Tramp.

influence, huh...? interesting..

I wonder how people should view Mrs. Clinton and her choice to stay with a philandering husband...is that fair game too...?

Thecure · March 2008

jwillmo wrote:

Okay, second best next to Stephen Colbert's speech at the Press Corps dinner. Now there's a president!

Sorry, I have nothing else to say to such a ridiculous post. Using race? This was reactionary. It would be nice if he could run for president without having to react to OTHER PEOPLE's words, but apparently people like you would rather talk about stupid shit like this than the real issues.

And I don't know what the fuck "blinded by the truth" is supposed to mean. Maybe I need some glasses so I can see through all the truth that's blinding me and get to the lies? Your metaphors, they confuse me.

i hope then that you would have to say that McCain does not have to answer for the right wing pastors. right?

blackredyellow · March 2008

pjalive21 wrote:

Cornnifer----ill blast this man on his words and his political agenda, which are some of the scariest in years and makes George W. Bush's spending spree seem like pennies

You're kidding about the spending, right? This administration has spent money like a drunken sailor.

brandon10 · March 2008

Thecure wrote:

or how bright McCain and Hillary are. why is this topic so bad, can you explain that to me.

All you have to do is watch all the speeches on Iraq from today, I ask you to do that. I do not think Obama is perfect by any means. I even think his health care platform is the worst amongst the liberal candidates. But I do believe he is by far the only candidate that can make a difference and get some things done over the next 4 to 8 years. I appreciate a candidate that uses common sense in his approach to politics.

Watch all 4 speeches from today and you should clearly see who spews the same old rhetoric and non-sense, and who has clear vision and common sense for the future.

Thecure · March 2008

inmytree wrote:

influence, huh...? interesting..

I wonder how people should view Mrs. Clinton and her choice to stay with a philandering husband...is that fair game too...?

and how often does Hillary hear about that. Hillary ( and i am not a fan) has been written abotu for as long as i can remember. also you don't see the difference between what the pastor said as to a women who decided to stay with her husband.

i would bet money that if Hillary came out and talked about what happen to her when Bill did that people would say how she was trying to make peopel feel bad for her.

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