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wau, very impressive speech, almost cried watching it. Hope you guys make him your president. Nice to see some truth and honesty in politics, really hope the best for your country because I love so many things about it. Wish my politicians could speek like that.
anyway, the reason I write is about Pastor Jeremiah Wright, what has he said that upset you so? Because what he says pretty much is the truth, at least from what it look like.
Pastor: “We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye.”
Pastor: “We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America’s chickens are coming home to roost.” (Sep 2001)
truth as well.. With my little info you helped the Afghanistan people against the russians, you put saddam hussain in charge.. and so on
and so on.
I am not trying to judge USA. You guys have done so much good, but are you so blind that you dont see what terrible things you also have done?
just some comment from outside US.. ( sorry my english )
wau, very impressive speech, almost cried watching it. Hope you guys make him your president. Nice to see some truth and honesty in politics, really hope the best for your country because I love so many things about it. Wish my politicians could speek like that.
anyway, the reason I write is about Pastor Jeremiah Wright, what has he said that upset you so? Because what he says pretty much is the truth, at least from what it look like.
Pastor: “We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye.”
Pastor: “We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America’s chickens are coming home to roost.” (Sep 2001)
truth as well.. With my little info you helped the Afghanistan people against the russians, you put saddam hussain in charge.. and so on
and so on.
I am not trying to judge USA. You guys have done so much good, but are you so blind that you dont see what terrible things you also have done?
Do you regularly attend church, jeff. i do. i've regularly attended the same church for about 15 years and i've already addressed this foolishness. Go back and find i won't retype it here.
I don't. I don't even irregularly attend church.
You didn't explain what you'd do if your pastor started preaching hate. Would you sit there and try to look past it because you disagreed with him about that but liked eveything else? Would you continue to do that for 15 years? Would you just sit there and be part of the congregation if everyone around you was giving their "amens" to the lunacy? Not me. I'd get up and walk out. The first time.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
Because what he says pretty much is the truth, at least from what it look like.
So you belive that the white man introduced HIV into the black population to commit genocide against blacks? You believe that the white man introduced drugs to the black communities so the white man could put the black man in jail?
OK.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
Personally, I can't wait for the day when religion doesn't have the kind of clout in elections that it has today. Not politics, mind you - as I don't think religion has shit to do with politics. But elections.
Agreed.
I don't think it will ever happen, but would in an ideal world.
So you belive that the white man introduced HIV into the black population to commit genocide against blacks? You believe that the white man introduced drugs to the black communities so the white man could put the black man in jail?
OK.
I think the point he was trying to make was that those things are the byproduct of centuries of racial injustice in this country. We have only seen a few clips out of long sermons, I'm sure when they are put in context there is a lot we are missing. I think the guy has a horrible delivery and is extremely angry and I dont necessarily think that church is the place for it. I do however agree with a lot of what he said, just not how he said it.
I was taught a month ago to bide my time and take it slow, but then I learned just yesterday to rush and never waste a day. Now I'm convinced the whole day long that all I've learned is always wrong. Things are true that I forget, but no one taught that to me yet
Personally, I can't wait for the day when religion doesn't have the kind of clout in elections that it has today. Not politics, mind you - as I don't think religion has shit to do with politics. But elections.
what i found to be funny is yesterday i was watching CNN and someone said that she found it very refreshing that Barack was not selling otu his friend like McCain does. it was a hard core Rep.
my question for everyone is do or don't you think that Obama should have sold out his friend?
People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
what i found to be funny is yesterday i was watching CNN and someone said that she found it very refreshing that Barack was not selling otu his friend like McCain does. it was a hard core Rep.
my question for everyone is do or don't you think that Obama should have sold out his friend?
No, if he's truly a friend, I don't think that he should have sold him out for political gain.
The guy has been his pastor/friend for 20 years, and from what we know, he has made a handful of distasteful remarks in 20 years of sermons... If every week this guy said crap like this, then ya, I can understand the criticism, but if all that the media can come up with is a handful of soundbytes over the years, then I have to take Obama at his word that this guy isn't some evil crackpot.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
I think the point is, that most people don't want to believe what Pastor Wright said is true. They would rather get wrapped up in their own emotions about what was said and deny it to themselves. I know initially that was my thought about the whole thing.
9/11 had nothing to do with them "hating our freedom" as GWB would have you believe, and everything to do with our policies in the Middle East. The line Wright mentioned about Hillary Clinton not knowing what is is like to be a black person...well, duh.
About the only thing I have any kind of issue at all with Pastor Wright saying is "God Damn America", and really even that I chalk up to him being passionate about what he is saying. In short, I don't give two shits what his minister said. It is not important to me.
I have a very dear friend that gave me away at my wedding, who I love dearly. Many years ago, he was arrested for a hate crime. That was in his past, but that is a part of him and I love him anyway.
I think Obama would be a total hippocrite to say this man isn't a part of his greater extended family. To do so would be contrary to his philosophy that he listens to everyone with consideration. I think he has greater integrity for acknowledging their differences and loving the man anyway. If we are assuming Obama is a religious man, isn't that truly what religion should be about anyway? Forgivness? Maybe loving someone that you don't agree with?
The point is, that the people that don't like what Wright said, or Obama's speech probably wouldn't like it no matter WHAT Obama said as a reply. They would not be able to see through the bullshit to see the larger picture. That Pastor Wright is right, and Obama hit the nail on the head about racism in this country.
No, if he's truly a friend, I don't think that he should have sold him out for political gain.
The guy has been his pastor/friend for 20 years, and from what we know, he has made a handful of distasteful remarks in 20 years of sermons... If every week this guy said crap like this, then ya, I can understand the criticism, but if all that the media can come up with is a handful of soundbytes over the years, then I have to take Obama at his word that this guy isn't some evil crackpot.
do you believe that there are only a handful of soundbytes only. i wonder? i don't know i was not there but i doubt that one day the guy just started saying things like this. maybe i am wrong.
People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
do you believe that there are only a handful of soundbytes only. i wonder? i don't know i was not there but i doubt that one day the guy just started saying things like this. maybe i am wrong.
They might just be the tip of the iceberg, I don't know... But I would have thought by now that if there truly was more to it than this, someone would have found more transcripts or videos.
Obama said that the preacher has always been controversial, and he has been in the church when he has said some things that made him uncomfortable, but I can't imagine that any preacher would go out every week and say the things he did and still have a job.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
They might just be the tip of the iceberg, I don't know... But I would have thought by now that if there truly was more to it than this, someone would have found more transcripts or videos.
Obama said that the preacher has always been controversial, and he has been in the church when he has said some things that made him uncomfortable, but I can't imagine that any preacher would go out every week and say the things he did and still have a job.
well about videos i guess it means that if there were videos or transcripts to dhow. who knows if people did film it. also, if the preacher said things that were viewed upon as positives/truths for the people in the church then i think the pastor would keep his job.
People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
Well, I'm not surprised the Obama-maniacs on this board would have creamed themselves over this speech. I, for one, thought it sounded like a typical politico fighting for his political life.
My only question: If Obama soooo disagreed with this guy, found his comments to be soooo off base and sooooo divisive ... why did he stay in that church for 20 years?
I've known people who would change churches if their pastor was boring. If your pastor has a habit of spouting rhetoric that you find to be sooooo abominable... you leave the church.
The only conclusion I can draw is that Obama believes some of this garbage, too. Otherwise, why would he continue to get his spiritual advice from this guy? Why would he consider him a mentor?
I know hating America might not be cause for concern on this board. Many of you seem to hate America, too.
But it is a problem for me.
There was a time when I could have swallowed hard and accepted an Obama presidency, even if we didn't agree on this issues. Now, I'm starting to believe an Obama presidency would be a disaster for this country.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
Well, I'm not surprised the Obama-maniacs on this board would have creamed themselves over this speech. I, for one, thought it sounded like a typical politico fighting for his political life.
My only question: If Obama soooo disagreed with this guy, found his comments to be soooo off base and sooooo divisive ... why did he stay in that church for 20 years?
I've known people who would change churches if their pastor was boring. If your pastor has a habit of spouting rhetoric that you find to be sooooo abominable ... you leave the church.
The only conclusion I can draw is that Obama believes some of this garbage, too. Otherwise, why would he continue to get his spiritual advice from this guy? Why would he consider him a mentor?
I know hating America might not be cause for concern on this board. Many of you seem to hate America, too.
But it is a problem for me.
There was a time when I could have swallowed hard and accepted an Obama presidency, even if we didn't agree on this issues. Now, I'm starting to believe an Obama presidency would be a disaster for this country.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
Well, I'm not surprised the Obama-maniacs on this board would have creamed themselves over this speech. I, for one, thought it sounded like a typical politico fighting for his political life.
My only question: If Obama soooo disagreed with this guy, found his comments to be soooo off base and sooooo divisive ... why did he stay in that church for 20 years?
I've known people who would change churches if their pastor was boring. If your pastor has a habit of spouting rhetoric that you find to be sooooo terrible ... you leave the church.
The only conclusion I can draw is that Obama believes some of this garbage, too. Otherwise, why would he continue to get his spiritual advice from this guy? Why would he consider him a mentor?
I know hating America might not be cause for concern on this board. Many of you see to hate America, too.
But it is a problem for me.
There was a time when I could have swallowed hard and accepted an Obama presidency, even if we didn't agree on this issues. Now, I'm starting to believe an Obama presidency would be a disaster for this country.
he he...hate America...
you and the rev. have some things in common...you both like to paint with a broad brush...
Well, I'm not surprised the Obama-maniacs on this board would have creamed themselves over this speech. I, for one, thought it sounded like a typical politico fighting for his political life.
My only question: If Obama soooo disagreed with this guy, found his comments to be soooo off base and sooooo divisive ... why did he stay in that church for 20 years?
I've known people who would change churches if their pastor was boring. If your pastor has a habit of spouting rhetoric that you find to be sooooo abominable ... you leave the church.
The only conclusion I can draw is that Obama believes some of this garbage, too. Otherwise, why would he continue to get his spiritual advice from this guy? Why would he consider him a mentor?
I know hating America might not be cause for concern on this board. Many of you seem to hate America, too.
But it is a problem for me.
There was a time when I could have swallowed hard and accepted an Obama presidency, even if we didn't agree on this issues. Now, I'm starting to believe an Obama presidency would be a disaster for this country.
Ugh. Thanks doing your part in making us Texans look like simpletons.
I certainly don't consider myself an Obama-maniac, I voted for him in the primary only because I considered him to be slightly less full of shit than the alternative, and McCain had the Republican nomination locked and a vote for him would be pointless. However, his speech yesterday was by far the best political speech I've heard in my adult lifetime (which admittedly, is only really the past three election cycles). A speech by "a typical politico fighting for his political life" would have done exactly what you would have wanted, to simply denounce the guy and have nothing to do with him ever again. Instead, he used it as a springboard to say a bunch of other things about race that are true that no one has the balls to say these days. As was said before, I doubt this preacher has been getting up and giving a "God damn America" speech every Sunday for the past 20 years. To simply throw his life-long preacher out of his life for saying things that could cost him a presidency would be a pretty cowardly way out. Instead he chose to tackle what the preacher was trying to say, though of course about 10000000% more eloquently. Which is why I'm voting for Obama, not his fucking preacher.
I know hating America might not be cause for concern on this board. Many of you seem to hate America, too.
LOL... c'mon, you are too smart to go there.
I think "hates america" has become the most overused, go-to insult when people just can't think of anything else to say...
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Obama has listened to this pastor for the past 20 years...why would he NOW distance himself fromsome of the things this pastor is saying?
Because he's running for office folks...
Don't buy into this. Just because Obama is well spoken doesn't mean he's genuine. You guys fell for the same crap with Bill Clinton.
C'mon now. i know your a conservative. Are you trying to tell me you never disagree with your pastor? i don't believe you. How long have you been attending your church? Do you know where your pastor stands on, lets say, the Bush tax cuts? i've been attending the same church, under the same leadership, for about 15 years and i don't know where my pastor stands on the bush tax cuts, the war in Iraq, or alot of other political issues. That isn't why one attends church. i was pretty sure YOU would understand this.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
talk to the 50,000,000 people that voted for Bush...
if people cannot see the stark differences between Obama and McCain then i dont know what to tell em...
for the record... Nader is not a qualified candidate for President in my opinion. yeah i agree with him on alot of issues... but the man has NEVER held an office, EVER... running a few non profits and railing against wall street does not mean you are qualified for the highest poltical office in the world... so i cant do the "cool" thing and vote for a guy simply because he has no chance of winning... he is a poor candidiate in my opinion
You obviously don't know too much about Nader's body of work. He's done more for the american citizen than the 3 mainstream candidates combined. He has a long list of accomplishments dating back to the 60's all for the safety and concern of the average person.
What have the other three done that qualifies them?
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
You didn't explain what you'd do if your pastor started preaching hate. Would you sit there and try to look past it because you disagreed with him about that but liked eveything else? Would you continue to do that for 15 years? Would you just sit there and be part of the congregation if everyone around you was giving their "amens" to the lunacy? Not me. I'd get up and walk out. The first time.
i didn't think so. That's fine. The point is, i do, attend church regularly, which means i have a better point of reference than you do aboout what goes on there and the diversity of socio-political opinion that exists within the church body.
Now, if my pastor was openly preaching HATE, i probably wouldn't have stuck around for fifteen years. There's your answer. Now, i'd like an answer from you. Some of the pastor's comments are definitely inappropriate. Hate, however, i simply didn't see in any of the soundbytes. What did he say that you percieve as hate? "kill whitey"? Because i must have missed that one. The country IS run by rich white folks that havn't the slightest understanding of the Black experience in America. That isn't hatred. Thats just true. Where's the hate. Anger? Yeah, i hear some anger in those few sound clips. Anger and hate are not synonymous.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
The stupidity of this whole issue is killin' me. Whats worse is some of the stuf i read in tis forum from self proclaimed "progressives". One thing i find funny is the way people (including many here) are so quick tp chastise Obama for being a man of nothing but words, yet are wanting to crucify him over... words. What's worse, is they are not even HIS WORDS!!! If someone doesn 't agree with Obamas policy proposals and political platform, i'm o.k with that. That is respectable. But to continue to hammer this stupid shit while people in this country, and around the world are hungry, homeless, sick without health coverage, dying in Iraq, being exterminated in Darfur, decimated by AIDS in Africa etc. i simply i have no respect for.
Now, i'm going to say something some will take umbrage with , but, i'm thinking it, and someone has to say it. i simply can't help but think that none of this stuff would be talked about so tirelessly and foolishly were Obama still 30 points behind in the polls with no shot of winning. All of a sudden he's doing well and its "Uh oh this uppity negro just might win". This man is being victimized by institutional American racism at its most heinous.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
However, his speech yesterday was by far the best political speech I've heard in my adult lifetime (which admittedly, is only really the past three election cycles). A speech by "a typical politico fighting for his political life" would have done exactly what you would have wanted, to simply denounce the guy and have nothing to do with him ever again. Instead, he used it as a springboard to say a bunch of other things about race that are true that no one has the balls to say these days.
please say your joking? or that i missed a "LOL" in there somewhere?
im sorry that this Obama speech is the best political speech you have heard...its the best speech someone could have done that was desperate and that got caught with his hand in the political cookie jar
there is NOTHING this man can say to denounce a pastor that he has befriended for 20 years, married him and Michelle, and baptized his children and now all of a sudden while running for president denounces what this man has said...when Obama himself has said he has been like this for years and not just recently
his speech was a reach at best and i am amazed how many suckers out there bought this crap...
i would be ashamed as an african-american to have had this man use race to save his political career
people are so desperate for a leader, someone to cling onto that they are blinded by truth
EDIT::::
Cornnifer----ill blast this man on his words and his political agenda, which are some of the scariest in years and makes George W. Bush's spending spree seem like pennies
please say your joking? or that i missed a "LOL" in there somewhere?
im sorry that this Obama speech is the best political speech you have heard...its the best speech someone could have done that was desperate and that got caught with his hand in the political cookie jar
there is NOTHING this man can say to denounce a pastor that he has befriended for 20 years, married him and Michelle, and baptized his children and now all of a sudden while running for president denounces what this man has said...when Obama himself has said he has been like this for years and not just recently
his speech was a reach at best and i am amazed how many suckers out there bought this crap...
i would be ashamed as an african-american to have had this man use race to save his political career
people are so desperate for a leader, someone to cling onto that they are blinded by truth
EDIT::::
Cornnifer----ill blast this man on his words and his political agenda, which are some of the scariest in years and makes George W. Bush's spending spree seem like pennies
Obama's speech on Iraq today was even better!!! Someone post a link if you can.
No one will hear it or want to talk about it. Too busy buying into the institutional racist attacks over a few statements made by his fucking church pastor. So much for progressivism.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
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wau, very impressive speech, almost cried watching it. Hope you guys make him your president. Nice to see some truth and honesty in politics, really hope the best for your country because I love so many things about it. Wish my politicians could speek like that.
anyway, the reason I write is about Pastor Jeremiah Wright, what has he said that upset you so? Because what he says pretty much is the truth, at least from what it look like.
Pastor: “We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye.”
Isn't that the truth?
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Pastor: “We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America’s chickens are coming home to roost.” (Sep 2001)
truth as well.. With my little info you helped the Afghanistan people against the russians, you put saddam hussain in charge.. and so on
and so on.
I am not trying to judge USA. You guys have done so much good, but are you so blind that you dont see what terrible things you also have done?
great post...
where are you from?
good call!
thx,
I am just a silly dane from Denmark, living in London ( UK ).
I don't. I don't even irregularly attend church.
You didn't explain what you'd do if your pastor started preaching hate. Would you sit there and try to look past it because you disagreed with him about that but liked eveything else? Would you continue to do that for 15 years? Would you just sit there and be part of the congregation if everyone around you was giving their "amens" to the lunacy? Not me. I'd get up and walk out. The first time.
So you belive that the white man introduced HIV into the black population to commit genocide against blacks? You believe that the white man introduced drugs to the black communities so the white man could put the black man in jail?
OK.
Agreed.
I don't think it will ever happen, but would in an ideal world.
I think the point he was trying to make was that those things are the byproduct of centuries of racial injustice in this country. We have only seen a few clips out of long sermons, I'm sure when they are put in context there is a lot we are missing. I think the guy has a horrible delivery and is extremely angry and I dont necessarily think that church is the place for it. I do however agree with a lot of what he said, just not how he said it.
uhh..b/c he's a socialist??
I'm confident enough in myself that I can choose how to live my own life. I don't need him and all the other socialists to tell me how to get by.
[size=+3]amen!!![/size]
my question for everyone is do or don't you think that Obama should have sold out his friend?
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
No, if he's truly a friend, I don't think that he should have sold him out for political gain.
The guy has been his pastor/friend for 20 years, and from what we know, he has made a handful of distasteful remarks in 20 years of sermons... If every week this guy said crap like this, then ya, I can understand the criticism, but if all that the media can come up with is a handful of soundbytes over the years, then I have to take Obama at his word that this guy isn't some evil crackpot.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
I think the point is, that most people don't want to believe what Pastor Wright said is true. They would rather get wrapped up in their own emotions about what was said and deny it to themselves. I know initially that was my thought about the whole thing.
9/11 had nothing to do with them "hating our freedom" as GWB would have you believe, and everything to do with our policies in the Middle East. The line Wright mentioned about Hillary Clinton not knowing what is is like to be a black person...well, duh.
About the only thing I have any kind of issue at all with Pastor Wright saying is "God Damn America", and really even that I chalk up to him being passionate about what he is saying. In short, I don't give two shits what his minister said. It is not important to me.
I have a very dear friend that gave me away at my wedding, who I love dearly. Many years ago, he was arrested for a hate crime. That was in his past, but that is a part of him and I love him anyway.
I think Obama would be a total hippocrite to say this man isn't a part of his greater extended family. To do so would be contrary to his philosophy that he listens to everyone with consideration. I think he has greater integrity for acknowledging their differences and loving the man anyway. If we are assuming Obama is a religious man, isn't that truly what religion should be about anyway? Forgivness? Maybe loving someone that you don't agree with?
The point is, that the people that don't like what Wright said, or Obama's speech probably wouldn't like it no matter WHAT Obama said as a reply. They would not be able to see through the bullshit to see the larger picture. That Pastor Wright is right, and Obama hit the nail on the head about racism in this country.
do you believe that there are only a handful of soundbytes only. i wonder? i don't know i was not there but i doubt that one day the guy just started saying things like this. maybe i am wrong.
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
They might just be the tip of the iceberg, I don't know... But I would have thought by now that if there truly was more to it than this, someone would have found more transcripts or videos.
Obama said that the preacher has always been controversial, and he has been in the church when he has said some things that made him uncomfortable, but I can't imagine that any preacher would go out every week and say the things he did and still have a job.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
well about videos i guess it means that if there were videos or transcripts to dhow. who knows if people did film it. also, if the preacher said things that were viewed upon as positives/truths for the people in the church then i think the pastor would keep his job.
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
My only question: If Obama soooo disagreed with this guy, found his comments to be soooo off base and sooooo divisive ... why did he stay in that church for 20 years?
I've known people who would change churches if their pastor was boring. If your pastor has a habit of spouting rhetoric that you find to be sooooo abominable... you leave the church.
The only conclusion I can draw is that Obama believes some of this garbage, too. Otherwise, why would he continue to get his spiritual advice from this guy? Why would he consider him a mentor?
I know hating America might not be cause for concern on this board. Many of you seem to hate America, too.
But it is a problem for me.
There was a time when I could have swallowed hard and accepted an Obama presidency, even if we didn't agree on this issues. Now, I'm starting to believe an Obama presidency would be a disaster for this country.
for the least they could possibly do
My only question: If Obama soooo disagreed with this guy, found his comments to be soooo off base and sooooo divisive ... why did he stay in that church for 20 years?
I've known people who would change churches if their pastor was boring. If your pastor has a habit of spouting rhetoric that you find to be sooooo abominable ... you leave the church.
The only conclusion I can draw is that Obama believes some of this garbage, too. Otherwise, why would he continue to get his spiritual advice from this guy? Why would he consider him a mentor?
I know hating America might not be cause for concern on this board. Many of you seem to hate America, too.
But it is a problem for me.
There was a time when I could have swallowed hard and accepted an Obama presidency, even if we didn't agree on this issues. Now, I'm starting to believe an Obama presidency would be a disaster for this country.
for the least they could possibly do
he he...hate America...
you and the rev. have some things in common...you both like to paint with a broad brush...
I certainly don't consider myself an Obama-maniac, I voted for him in the primary only because I considered him to be slightly less full of shit than the alternative, and McCain had the Republican nomination locked and a vote for him would be pointless. However, his speech yesterday was by far the best political speech I've heard in my adult lifetime (which admittedly, is only really the past three election cycles). A speech by "a typical politico fighting for his political life" would have done exactly what you would have wanted, to simply denounce the guy and have nothing to do with him ever again. Instead, he used it as a springboard to say a bunch of other things about race that are true that no one has the balls to say these days. As was said before, I doubt this preacher has been getting up and giving a "God damn America" speech every Sunday for the past 20 years. To simply throw his life-long preacher out of his life for saying things that could cost him a presidency would be a pretty cowardly way out. Instead he chose to tackle what the preacher was trying to say, though of course about 10000000% more eloquently. Which is why I'm voting for Obama, not his fucking preacher.
LOL... c'mon, you are too smart to go there.
I think "hates america" has become the most overused, go-to insult when people just can't think of anything else to say...
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
C'mon now. i know your a conservative. Are you trying to tell me you never disagree with your pastor? i don't believe you. How long have you been attending your church? Do you know where your pastor stands on, lets say, the Bush tax cuts? i've been attending the same church, under the same leadership, for about 15 years and i don't know where my pastor stands on the bush tax cuts, the war in Iraq, or alot of other political issues. That isn't why one attends church. i was pretty sure YOU would understand this.
You obviously don't know too much about Nader's body of work. He's done more for the american citizen than the 3 mainstream candidates combined. He has a long list of accomplishments dating back to the 60's all for the safety and concern of the average person.
What have the other three done that qualifies them?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
maybe you could help me out then good friend...
i didn't think so. That's fine. The point is, i do, attend church regularly, which means i have a better point of reference than you do aboout what goes on there and the diversity of socio-political opinion that exists within the church body.
Now, if my pastor was openly preaching HATE, i probably wouldn't have stuck around for fifteen years. There's your answer. Now, i'd like an answer from you. Some of the pastor's comments are definitely inappropriate. Hate, however, i simply didn't see in any of the soundbytes. What did he say that you percieve as hate? "kill whitey"? Because i must have missed that one. The country IS run by rich white folks that havn't the slightest understanding of the Black experience in America. That isn't hatred. Thats just true. Where's the hate. Anger? Yeah, i hear some anger in those few sound clips. Anger and hate are not synonymous.
Now, i'm going to say something some will take umbrage with , but, i'm thinking it, and someone has to say it. i simply can't help but think that none of this stuff would be talked about so tirelessly and foolishly were Obama still 30 points behind in the polls with no shot of winning. All of a sudden he's doing well and its "Uh oh this uppity negro just might win". This man is being victimized by institutional American racism at its most heinous.
please say your joking? or that i missed a "LOL" in there somewhere?
im sorry that this Obama speech is the best political speech you have heard...its the best speech someone could have done that was desperate and that got caught with his hand in the political cookie jar
there is NOTHING this man can say to denounce a pastor that he has befriended for 20 years, married him and Michelle, and baptized his children and now all of a sudden while running for president denounces what this man has said...when Obama himself has said he has been like this for years and not just recently
his speech was a reach at best and i am amazed how many suckers out there bought this crap...
i would be ashamed as an african-american to have had this man use race to save his political career
people are so desperate for a leader, someone to cling onto that they are blinded by truth
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Cornnifer----ill blast this man on his words and his political agenda, which are some of the scariest in years and makes George W. Bush's spending spree seem like pennies
holy talking points, batman...!!