Obama on race and his pastor

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  • pjalive21
    pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818
    haha...reading some of these post are funny...did some of you pass out after the speech or in the middle of it?

    he is a politician people, with about a week to prepare a speech, stating all the things people want/needed to hear, the things he had to say to save him and guess what?....it worked from reading some of these responses

    hey kudos to Obama the man sure can warm people over
  • Character Zero
    Character Zero Posts: 96
    on a side note, the comentator before the speech on CNN said something that I thought was pretty accurate and kind of made me chuckle. It pretty much boiled down to "Why does Barack Obama have to give a speech about race and his pastor, the words of somebody else, yet John McCain doesn't have to give a speech to explain why 99.5 of the people who vote for him are white? The guy giving the speech is winning over predominantly white states like Iowa and Wyoming while still carrying the black vote." I can't really say I disagree.
    I was taught a month ago to bide my time and take it slow, but then I learned just yesterday to rush and never waste a day. Now I'm convinced the whole day long that all I've learned is always wrong. Things are true that I forget, but no one taught that to me yet
  • anotherclone
    anotherclone Posts: 1,688
    pjalive21 wrote:
    haha...reading some of these post are funny...did some of you pass out after the speech or in the middle of it?

    he is a politician people, with about a week to prepare a speech, stating all the things people want/needed to hear, the things he had to say to save him and guess what?....it worked from reading some of these responses

    hey kudos to Obama the man sure can warm people over

    wow, someone took their cynical pills today. :p

    Let me guess, not a Obama supporter?
  • mca47
    mca47 Posts: 13,337
    pjalive21 wrote:
    haha...reading some of these post are funny...did some of you pass out after the speech or in the middle of it?

    he is a politician people, with about a week to prepare a speech, stating all the things people want/needed to hear, the things he had to say to save him and guess what?....it worked from reading some of these responses

    hey kudos to Obama the man sure can warm people over

    God for bid a guy try to extend his hand out to the country, and to the world while the media constantly brings up non-issues whereby forcing a guy to defend himself not because he should but because he has to. If not, the stupid fuckin' public that eats up the media's search for a scandal they can soundbyte over and over...will take something as trivial and stupid as his pastor to heart.
    John Kerry's biggest mistake was not standing up for himself in '04 when the Swiftboat shit came out. Had he not been a pussy and stood up for himself he'd probably be in the White House right now.

    Good for you Obama!
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    mca47 wrote:
    John Kerry's biggest mistake was not standing up for himself in '04 when the Swiftboat shit came out. Had he not been a pussy and stood up for himself he'd probably be in the White House right now.


    thats accurate
  • pjalive21
    pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818
    anotherclone wrote:
    wow, someone took their cynical pills today. :p

    Let me guess, not a Obama supporter?

    haha i guess you could say that....

    im not an Obama supporter....and no before anyone jumps in im not a Hilary or Mcain supporter..so put that to rest

    you mean to tell me that you go to a church for 17 years, your married by this man, you children are baptized by this man and he does nothing but spew racist biggotry and anti-american sentiments and no one is to question Obama's relationship to this man?

    he comes out gives a speech ,tell everyone what they want to hear and everything is ok...

    this is the media digging something up?

    but if it was anyone else sitting at a David Duke rally and they were running for president it would be the end of their career
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    my2hands wrote:
    thats accurate


    that's an opinion you agree with.

    kerry's platform was vague, very weak and he was too afraid to take a strong stance against the war. that cost him votes
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  • hailhailkc
    hailhailkc Posts: 582
    Obama has listened to this pastor for the past 20 years...why would he NOW distance himself fromsome of the things this pastor is saying?

    Because he's running for office folks...

    Don't buy into this. Just because Obama is well spoken doesn't mean he's genuine. You guys fell for the same crap with Bill Clinton.
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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    why should he distance himself. I hear things all the time from my pastor that I don't agree with. Everyone here should look up the transcript of the sermon that Wright gave to give Obama the title, "The Audacity of Hope". It is a amazing sermon. People act like he gave these stupid remarks week after week, and ignore some truly great things he has said. There are no excuses for his crazy comments, but if we all distanced ourself from someone we knew who made horrible comments like this---we would all be quite lonely.
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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    mca47 wrote:
    ...will take something as trivial and stupid as his pastor to heart.

    It isn't trivial. This goes to who Obama is. This isn't someone he accidentally brushed shoulders with. This isn't someone who he simply knew in passing and shared a couple of handshakes with. This was the man who gave him his spiritual foundation. This is a man he admired for 20 years. This is a man who married him and baptized his kids.

    I listened to the speech and he sounded great. He did what he does best. But can someone point me to a place in the speech where he explained why he sat through Wright's stuff for 20 years and just now decides that it is divisive?
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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    pjalive21 wrote:
    haha...reading some of these post are funny...did some of you pass out after the speech or in the middle of it?

    he is a politician people, with about a week to prepare a speech, stating all the things people want/needed to hear, the things he had to say to save him and guess what?....it worked from reading some of these responses

    hey kudos to Obama the man sure can warm people over


    Save him from what? His large lead in the delegate race, or from all of the states that he's won?

    pjalive21 wrote:
    but if it was anyone else sitting at a David Duke rally and they were running for president it would be the end of their career

    Not true... Rod Parsley and John Hagee have said things just as offensive, but McCain hasn't gotten much flack over it. And those two pale in comparison to the people that Bush got into bed with in 2000.
    hailhailkc wrote:
    Don't buy into this. Just because Obama is well spoken doesn't mean he's genuine. You guys fell for the same crap with Bill Clinton.

    Only in our political environment can a the skill of being a great speaker be spun to be a negative. If someone is a good speaker, they are brushed off as "all talk", but look where electing a bad speaker has gotten us in the last 7 years.

    So the solution? Let's look for mediocrity... That's all we've done for the past decade, is find the most uninspired, half-assed, mediocre candidate that can offend the fewest people possible. It's actual nice to see a political candidate that can inspires some people for once.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    jeffbr wrote:
    It isn't trivial. This goes to who Obama is. This isn't someone he accidentally brushed shoulders with. This isn't someone who he simply knew in passing and shared a couple of handshakes with. This was the man who gave him his spiritual foundation. This is a man he admired for 20 years. This is a man who married him and baptized his kids.

    I listened to the speech and he sounded great. He did what he does best. But can someone point me to a place in the speech where he explained why he sat through Wright's stuff for 20 years and just now decides that it is divisive?


    Exactly. The cause for concern is swept under the rug. Actions are ignored in place of inspirational words to make us all feel better.

    So when he gets into office and starts doing things we strongly disagree with will these pretty songs he keeps singing be enough then, too? Will it always be this mentality of 'No one is perfect. It doesn't matter anyway...didn't you listen to the speech he gave?!'

    That makes me quite uneasy, especially coming from intelligent people.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    that's an opinion you agree with.

    kerry's platform was vague, very weak and he was too afraid to take a strong stance against the war. that cost him votes

    you voted for him, as did i... so i think he had the support of the anti war left, especially considering the circumstances and corporate hitler being the other option... it wasnt people like me and you that decided it *forget diebold for a sec and assume it was legit * it was swing voters moderates and the half informed... they saw kerry wind surfing, skiing in idaho, and looking like elmer fudd for that ridiculous hunting photo op... and then he laid down like a pussy when they started the bullshit attacks... his platform was weak because of this as well... not to mention his drier then toast personality and complete lack of passion
  • pjalive21
    pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Exactly. The cause for concern is swept under the rug. Actions are ignored in place of inspirational words to make us all feel better.

    So when he gets into office and starts doing things we strongly disagree with will these pretty songs he keeps singing be enough then, too? Will it always be this mentality of 'No one is perfect. It doesn't matter anyway...didn't you listen to the speech he gave?!'

    That makes me quite uneasy, especially coming from intelligent people.

    nice work here! you and jeffbr hit it right on the head!

    you mean to tell me that michelle obama and here "im proud of America for the first time" speech wasnt influenced in some part to being around Rev. White for almost 20 years???

    its amazing to me how many people "were brought to tears" or "felt inspired" by the Obama speech

    are people that desperate for a great leader that they practically ignore the truths laid out right in front of them with the people Obama associate with? have we forgot about the person who worked in his campaign who had the Che flag hanging in their office? his association with Farrakan? these are the people who he surrounds himself with

    remember people he is a politician and he is playing off his strongest suit and thats speech making
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    my2hands wrote:
    you voted for him, as did i... so i think he had the support of the anti war left, especially considering the circumstances and corporate hitler being the other option... it wasnt people like me and you that decided it *forget diebold for a sec and assume it was legit * it was swing voters moderates and the half informed... they saw kerry wind surfing, skiing in idaho, and looking like elmer fudd for that ridiculous hunting photo op... and then he laid down like a pussy when they started the bullshit attacks... his platform was weak because of this as well... not to mention his drier then toast personality and complete lack of passion

    I vote I now regret, though and I know plenty who didn't vote for Kerry based on his weak platform.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Exactly. The cause for concern is swept under the rug. Actions are ignored in place of inspirational words to make us all feel better.

    So when he gets into office and starts doing things we strongly disagree with will these pretty songs he keeps singing be enough then, too? Will it always be this mentality of 'No one is perfect. It doesn't matter anyway...didn't you listen to the speech he gave?!'

    That makes me quite uneasy, especially coming from intelligent people.


    this guy takes on race, prejudice, and the inequality of America all at once... speaking out against the ills of our society, past and present... and you are still railing against him...

    i like it... i think the more you continue to question him you will end up supporting him
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I vote I now regret

    only because he lost


    if kerry won you think we would still be in iraq 4 years later?

    i dont
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    my2hands wrote:
    this guy takes on race, prejudice, and the inequality of America all at once... speaking out against the ills of our society, past and present... and you are still railing against him...

    i like it... i think the more you continue to question him you will end up supporting him

    The speech is just fine but it's not a reason to vote for the guy by itself and it shouldn't erase any past concerns I've had with him.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    my2hands wrote:
    only because he lost


    if kerry won you think we would still be in iraq 4 years later?

    i dont

    that's your opinion and it is false...be careful with that.


    I regret it because I didn't stand up for what I believe in and voted in fear. I contributed to a huge problem we have in this country....electing people who don't represent us. Why would it matter to me because he lost? Nader would have lost, too. ??

    Yes, I think the war would have went on...maybe not to the same extent but I think we would still be dealing with it
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    The speech is just fine but it's not a reason to vote for the guy by itself and it shouldn't erase any past concerns I've had with him.


    when this gets down to the general election... and it is McCain or Obama... and their differences get magnified and their ideas get sifted through... and you see the STARK differences... i think you will change your mind :D

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