haha...reading some of these post are funny...did some of you pass out after the speech or in the middle of it?
he is a politician people, with about a week to prepare a speech, stating all the things people want/needed to hear, the things he had to say to save him and guess what?....it worked from reading some of these responses
hey kudos to Obama the man sure can warm people over
Save him from what? His large lead in the delegate race, or from all of the states that he's won?
but if it was anyone else sitting at a David Duke rally and they were running for president it would be the end of their career
Not true... Rod Parsley and John Hagee have said things just as offensive, but McCain hasn't gotten much flack over it. And those two pale in comparison to the people that Bush got into bed with in 2000.
Don't buy into this. Just because Obama is well spoken doesn't mean he's genuine. You guys fell for the same crap with Bill Clinton.
Only in our political environment can a the skill of being a great speaker be spun to be a negative. If someone is a good speaker, they are brushed off as "all talk", but look where electing a bad speaker has gotten us in the last 7 years.
So the solution? Let's look for mediocrity... That's all we've done for the past decade, is find the most uninspired, half-assed, mediocre candidate that can offend the fewest people possible. It's actual nice to see a political candidate that can inspires some people for once.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
It isn't trivial. This goes to who Obama is. This isn't someone he accidentally brushed shoulders with. This isn't someone who he simply knew in passing and shared a couple of handshakes with. This was the man who gave him his spiritual foundation. This is a man he admired for 20 years. This is a man who married him and baptized his kids.
I listened to the speech and he sounded great. He did what he does best. But can someone point me to a place in the speech where he explained why he sat through Wright's stuff for 20 years and just now decides that it is divisive?
Exactly. The cause for concern is swept under the rug. Actions are ignored in place of inspirational words to make us all feel better.
So when he gets into office and starts doing things we strongly disagree with will these pretty songs he keeps singing be enough then, too? Will it always be this mentality of 'No one is perfect. It doesn't matter anyway...didn't you listen to the speech he gave?!'
That makes me quite uneasy, especially coming from intelligent people.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
kerry's platform was vague, very weak and he was too afraid to take a strong stance against the war. that cost him votes
you voted for him, as did i... so i think he had the support of the anti war left, especially considering the circumstances and corporate hitler being the other option... it wasnt people like me and you that decided it *forget diebold for a sec and assume it was legit * it was swing voters moderates and the half informed... they saw kerry wind surfing, skiing in idaho, and looking like elmer fudd for that ridiculous hunting photo op... and then he laid down like a pussy when they started the bullshit attacks... his platform was weak because of this as well... not to mention his drier then toast personality and complete lack of passion
Exactly. The cause for concern is swept under the rug. Actions are ignored in place of inspirational words to make us all feel better.
So when he gets into office and starts doing things we strongly disagree with will these pretty songs he keeps singing be enough then, too? Will it always be this mentality of 'No one is perfect. It doesn't matter anyway...didn't you listen to the speech he gave?!'
That makes me quite uneasy, especially coming from intelligent people.
nice work here! you and jeffbr hit it right on the head!
you mean to tell me that michelle obama and here "im proud of America for the first time" speech wasnt influenced in some part to being around Rev. White for almost 20 years???
its amazing to me how many people "were brought to tears" or "felt inspired" by the Obama speech
are people that desperate for a great leader that they practically ignore the truths laid out right in front of them with the people Obama associate with? have we forgot about the person who worked in his campaign who had the Che flag hanging in their office? his association with Farrakan? these are the people who he surrounds himself with
remember people he is a politician and he is playing off his strongest suit and thats speech making
you voted for him, as did i... so i think he had the support of the anti war left, especially considering the circumstances and corporate hitler being the other option... it wasnt people like me and you that decided it *forget diebold for a sec and assume it was legit * it was swing voters moderates and the half informed... they saw kerry wind surfing, skiing in idaho, and looking like elmer fudd for that ridiculous hunting photo op... and then he laid down like a pussy when they started the bullshit attacks... his platform was weak because of this as well... not to mention his drier then toast personality and complete lack of passion
I vote I now regret, though and I know plenty who didn't vote for Kerry based on his weak platform.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Exactly. The cause for concern is swept under the rug. Actions are ignored in place of inspirational words to make us all feel better.
So when he gets into office and starts doing things we strongly disagree with will these pretty songs he keeps singing be enough then, too? Will it always be this mentality of 'No one is perfect. It doesn't matter anyway...didn't you listen to the speech he gave?!'
That makes me quite uneasy, especially coming from intelligent people.
this guy takes on race, prejudice, and the inequality of America all at once... speaking out against the ills of our society, past and present... and you are still railing against him...
i like it... i think the more you continue to question him you will end up supporting him
this guy takes on race, prejudice, and the inequality of America all at once... speaking out against the ills of our society, past and present... and you are still railing against him...
i like it... i think the more you continue to question him you will end up supporting him
The speech is just fine but it's not a reason to vote for the guy by itself and it shouldn't erase any past concerns I've had with him.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
if kerry won you think we would still be in iraq 4 years later?
i dont
that's your opinion and it is false...be careful with that.
I regret it because I didn't stand up for what I believe in and voted in fear. I contributed to a huge problem we have in this country....electing people who don't represent us. Why would it matter to me because he lost? Nader would have lost, too. ??
Yes, I think the war would have went on...maybe not to the same extent but I think we would still be dealing with it
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
The speech is just fine but it's not a reason to vote for the guy by itself and it shouldn't erase any past concerns I've had with him.
when this gets down to the general election... and it is McCain or Obama... and their differences get magnified and their ideas get sifted through... and you see the STARK differences... i think you will change your mind
that's your opinion and it is false...be careful with that.
I regret it because I didn't stand up for what I believe in and voted in fear. I contributed to a huge problem we have in this country....electing people who don't represent us. Why would it matter to me because he lost? Nader would have lost, too. ??
Yes, I think the war would have went on...maybe not to the same extent but I think we would still be dealing with it
I agree, but to play Devil's advocate, I feel that a Gore victory in 2000 would have made a huge difference.
I cannot come up with a new sig till I get this egg off my face.
why should he distance himself. I hear things all the time from my pastor that I don't agree with. Everyone here should look up the transcript of the sermon that Wright gave to give Obama the title, "The Audacity of Hope". It is a amazing sermon. People act like he gave these stupid remarks week after week, and ignore some truly great things he has said. There are no excuses for his crazy comments, but if we all distanced ourself from someone we knew who made horrible comments like this---we would all be quite lonely.
I have two comments on this:
1. Most Americans aren't intelligent enough to realize that people can associate with other people that don't have EXACTLY the same beliefs or ideals.
2. From what I understand, Obama was pretty close to this guy. He knew him for like 20 years?? And he married the Obamas. So I think it's a little more significant than just some guy he just met.
when this gets down to the general election... and it is McCain or Obama... and their differences get magnified and their ideas get sifted through... and you see the STARK differences... i think you will change your mind
No I won't. I will never vote for a Democratic again apart from Kucinich...in all likelihood. Their party is filled with corruption and dishonesty. They fight to keep good people and their good ideas out of the debates so they can't be heard by the millions watching and they also fight to keep deserving people off the ballot so they are ensured victory. There party has became morally bankrupt and we all let it happen because we didn't stop it. It's time the rest of you quit supporting this too and then we can replace them with people who actually represent us first and not their special interests.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Things would be different. Things would be quite different had Nader won, as well.
Quite true. In fact, I'll agree that they'd be even more different had Nader won (as opposed to Gore). However, only Gore had a chance. I hate the two-party system and almost voted for Nader myself, but while I have never lost sleep over 2004, man do I wish Gore had won.
I cannot come up with a new sig till I get this egg off my face.
Quite true. In fact, I'll agree that they'd be even more different had Nader won (as opposed to Gore). However, only Gore had a chance. I hate the two-party system and almost voted for Nader myself, but while I have never lost sleep over 2004, man do I wish Gore had won.
How about holding the people accountable who voted for Bush? How can you be guilty for someone you didn't vote for? My vote is my voice and no candidate should automatically get to silence my voice just because they are not a republican. Does anyone anywhere understand how this kind of thinking has eroded our democracy and allowed elected officials to get away with so much, while doing so little ...while we all line up on election day, free passes in hand, eager to give them out.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
are people that desperate for a great leader that they practically ignore the truths laid out right in front of them with the people Obama associate with? have we forgot about the person who worked in his campaign who had the Che flag hanging in their office? his association with Farrakan? these are the people who he surrounds himself with
Gimme a break....
truths laid out right in front of them? I just fail to see what the huge issues are.
What association with Farrakan?
A campaign volunteer with a Che flag?
A friend/pastor that says some despicable things that Obama has repeatedly condemned?
Sounds like a whole lot of nothing to me...
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
How about holding the people accountable who voted for Bush? How can you be guilty for someone you didn't vote for? My vote is my voice and no candidate should automatically get to silence my voice just because they are not a republican. Does anyone anywhere understand how this kind of thinking has eroded our democracy and allowed elected officials to get away with so much, while doing so little ...while we all line up on election day, free passes in hand, eager to give them out.
You may recall my first post used the phrase "devil's advocate." Honestly I am torn. The two party system blows and to keep on voting for the lesser of two evils that are both indebted to corporate funders perpetuates the problems, but I really wish Gore had won. I blame a lot of things. I don't really blame Nader, but at the same time, I wish he had not run.
I cannot come up with a new sig till I get this egg off my face.
IF you didn't vote for Nader then it is on your conscious, you have to bear the burden of knowing you didn't do the right thing, that you voted to suppport this regime of brutality, that you didn't do all you could to oppose this system of empire. Gore and Kerry were of the elite.
We tried, as humans, to provide a candidate for the people, and we voted, as many of us as we could find, to put an end to corporate handouts and the military industrial complex, to end this corrupt system of brutality. And we would have won were it not for the millions of cowards that call themselves free-thinking Americans. If a man hasn't found something to die for he might as well not be alive. And for this cause i would, it is that important.
The fact that so many of you chose not to support an alternative to the system, that so many of you chose to support it, even with your vote for Kerry or Gore, shows the cowardice that runs deep in this country.
It is not those of us that voted for Nader that have to bear a burden...it is you, you who didn't have the courage to stand up and put an end to this Amerikan Empire.
Does anyone anywhere understand how this kind of thinking has eroded our democracy and allowed elected officials to get away with so much, while doing so little ...while we all line up on election day, free passes in hand, eager to give them out.
I just wanted to highlight this. I think it is very profound. Nicely said.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
A lot of the things I have heard Wright say I absolutely agree with. And I'm as white male as it gets. He talks of foreign policy blunders being responsible for much of America's problems, he talks of how the poor have been repressed. I can actually see how Obama got some of his anti-war views and his concerns for middle and lower class America. I think Wright's views have helped shape Obama in a good way. Obama was smart enough to pick and choose throughout Wrights sermons to help shape his views to better help society.
I know some of you here that are critical of Obama agree with a lot of what this pastor has said as well. Your just too afraid to admit it
You may recall my first post used the phrase "devil's advocate." Honestly I am torn. The two party system blows and to keep on voting for the lesser of two evils that are both indebted to corporate funders perpetuates the problems, but I really wish Gore had won. I blame a lot of things. I don't really blame Nader, but at the same time, I wish he had not run.
I didn't mean to come across as snapping at you...so I'm sorry if I gave that impression.
I'm glad Nader ran. We don't live in a two-party dictatorship where we're obligated to vote a certain way or else be blamed for their loss. The is a democracy, people can run for office and should be voted for if they have the best ideas. There's no obligation to vote for anyone of any party. Just vote for the people you trust, the one's who have been honest and proven themselves worthy. That's all any of us can do. We're losing this game out of fear and doing nothing about it.
"In true democracy every man and women is taught to think for himself or herself." ~ Gandhi
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
A lot of the things I have heard Wright say I absolutely agree with. And I'm as white male as it gets. He talks of foreign policy blunders being responsible for much of America's problems, he talks of how the poor have been repressed. I can actually see how Obama got some of his anti-war views and his concerns for middle and lower class America. I think Wright's views have helped shape Obama in a good way. Obama was smart enough to pick and choose throughout Wrights sermons to help shape his views to better help society.
I know some of you here that are critical of Obama agree with a lot of what this pastor has said as well. Your just too afraid to admit it
Ever notice how American foreign policy "blunders" produce the exact same result every time?
A wasted country ripe for corporate exploitation complete with a cheap labor pool, not to mention an obediant gov't, be it a dictatorship, democracy whatever.
It is not those of us that voted for Nader that have to bear a burden...it is you, you who didn't have the courage to stand up and put an end to this Amerikan Empire.
talk to the 50,000,000 people that voted for Bush...
if people cannot see the stark differences between Obama and McCain then i dont know what to tell em...
for the record... Nader is not a qualified candidate for President in my opinion. yeah i agree with him on alot of issues... but the man has NEVER held an office, EVER... running a few non profits and railing against wall street does not mean you are qualified for the highest poltical office in the world... so i cant do the "cool" thing and vote for a guy simply because he has no chance of winning... he is a poor candidiate in my opinion
Nothing? Really? How do you know? Nothing. Wow. Now i'm enlightrned.
Apparently YOU'VE attended this church for 17 years because you know EVERYTHING the man has said and done over that period of time!
Do you really think the man's career can be boiled down to the three or four soundbytes you've downloaded from YouTube and probably have running as your fucking screensaver?
That being said, let's take a look at some of the things said by the guy being tirelessly looped on te news networks. Some of the things are definitely over the top. Some are diefinitely devisive, and worthy of denouncement. The G-D america thing especially comes to mind.
However, what did he really say? "America is ruled by rich white people." IT IS! Hillary clinton doesn't know what its like to be a poor black boy in a single parent home in America". SHE DOESN'T! "American foreign policy such as the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki are reprehensible". Gee many argue that it has been! There were quite a few comments about Hiroshima and Nagasaki in this very forum a couple of days ago! "9/11 was a case of America's chickens coming home to roost". Again, many, including some here, not only agree, but argue the very same thing! Hell, that isn't even as crazy as those who believe George Bush practically set the explosives and detonated them himself.
Again, i'm not defending the statements we have all been inundated with the past few days. They are innappropriate for sure, but to say, especially for you who have no idea save what you have cnn on t.v. to say, that for the past 17 years the guy has "done nothing but spew racist bigotry" is absolutely stupid.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
It isn't trivial. This goes to who Obama is. This isn't someone he accidentally brushed shoulders with. This isn't someone who he simply knew in passing and shared a couple of handshakes with. This was the man who gave him his spiritual foundation. This is a man he admired for 20 years. This is a man who married him and baptized his kids.
I listened to the speech and he sounded great. He did what he does best. But can someone point me to a place in the speech where he explained why he sat through Wright's stuff for 20 years and just now decides that it is divisive?
Do you regularly attend church, jeff. i do. i've regularly attended the same church for about 15 years and i've already addressed this foolishness. Go back and find i won't retype it here.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
Nothing? Really? How do you know? Nothing. Wow. Now i'm enlightrned.
Apparently YOU'VE attended this church for 17 years because you know EVERYTHING the man has said and done over that period of time!
Exactly. Seventeen years, right? So after seventeen years, we have, what - a few clips?
I think I'm going to stop listening to Pearl Jam because of the sexist thing Eddie said about that one woman with the small breasts back in '03.
Personally, I can't wait for the day when religion doesn't have the kind of clout in elections that it has today. Not politics, mind you - as I don't think religion has shit to do with politics. But elections.
Comments
Save him from what? His large lead in the delegate race, or from all of the states that he's won?
Not true... Rod Parsley and John Hagee have said things just as offensive, but McCain hasn't gotten much flack over it. And those two pale in comparison to the people that Bush got into bed with in 2000.
Only in our political environment can a the skill of being a great speaker be spun to be a negative. If someone is a good speaker, they are brushed off as "all talk", but look where electing a bad speaker has gotten us in the last 7 years.
So the solution? Let's look for mediocrity... That's all we've done for the past decade, is find the most uninspired, half-assed, mediocre candidate that can offend the fewest people possible. It's actual nice to see a political candidate that can inspires some people for once.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Exactly. The cause for concern is swept under the rug. Actions are ignored in place of inspirational words to make us all feel better.
So when he gets into office and starts doing things we strongly disagree with will these pretty songs he keeps singing be enough then, too? Will it always be this mentality of 'No one is perfect. It doesn't matter anyway...didn't you listen to the speech he gave?!'
That makes me quite uneasy, especially coming from intelligent people.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
you voted for him, as did i... so i think he had the support of the anti war left, especially considering the circumstances and corporate hitler being the other option... it wasnt people like me and you that decided it *forget diebold for a sec and assume it was legit * it was swing voters moderates and the half informed... they saw kerry wind surfing, skiing in idaho, and looking like elmer fudd for that ridiculous hunting photo op... and then he laid down like a pussy when they started the bullshit attacks... his platform was weak because of this as well... not to mention his drier then toast personality and complete lack of passion
nice work here! you and jeffbr hit it right on the head!
you mean to tell me that michelle obama and here "im proud of America for the first time" speech wasnt influenced in some part to being around Rev. White for almost 20 years???
its amazing to me how many people "were brought to tears" or "felt inspired" by the Obama speech
are people that desperate for a great leader that they practically ignore the truths laid out right in front of them with the people Obama associate with? have we forgot about the person who worked in his campaign who had the Che flag hanging in their office? his association with Farrakan? these are the people who he surrounds himself with
remember people he is a politician and he is playing off his strongest suit and thats speech making
I vote I now regret, though and I know plenty who didn't vote for Kerry based on his weak platform.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
this guy takes on race, prejudice, and the inequality of America all at once... speaking out against the ills of our society, past and present... and you are still railing against him...
i like it... i think the more you continue to question him you will end up supporting him
only because he lost
if kerry won you think we would still be in iraq 4 years later?
i dont
The speech is just fine but it's not a reason to vote for the guy by itself and it shouldn't erase any past concerns I've had with him.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
that's your opinion and it is false...be careful with that.
I regret it because I didn't stand up for what I believe in and voted in fear. I contributed to a huge problem we have in this country....electing people who don't represent us. Why would it matter to me because he lost? Nader would have lost, too. ??
Yes, I think the war would have went on...maybe not to the same extent but I think we would still be dealing with it
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
when this gets down to the general election... and it is McCain or Obama... and their differences get magnified and their ideas get sifted through... and you see the STARK differences... i think you will change your mind
I agree, but to play Devil's advocate, I feel that a Gore victory in 2000 would have made a huge difference.
1. Most Americans aren't intelligent enough to realize that people can associate with other people that don't have EXACTLY the same beliefs or ideals.
2. From what I understand, Obama was pretty close to this guy. He knew him for like 20 years?? And he married the Obamas. So I think it's a little more significant than just some guy he just met.
No I won't. I will never vote for a Democratic again apart from Kucinich...in all likelihood. Their party is filled with corruption and dishonesty. They fight to keep good people and their good ideas out of the debates so they can't be heard by the millions watching and they also fight to keep deserving people off the ballot so they are ensured victory. There party has became morally bankrupt and we all let it happen because we didn't stop it. It's time the rest of you quit supporting this too and then we can replace them with people who actually represent us first and not their special interests.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Things would be different. Things would be quite different had Nader won, as well.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Quite true. In fact, I'll agree that they'd be even more different had Nader won (as opposed to Gore). However, only Gore had a chance. I hate the two-party system and almost voted for Nader myself, but while I have never lost sleep over 2004, man do I wish Gore had won.
How about holding the people accountable who voted for Bush? How can you be guilty for someone you didn't vote for? My vote is my voice and no candidate should automatically get to silence my voice just because they are not a republican. Does anyone anywhere understand how this kind of thinking has eroded our democracy and allowed elected officials to get away with so much, while doing so little ...while we all line up on election day, free passes in hand, eager to give them out.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Gimme a break....
truths laid out right in front of them? I just fail to see what the huge issues are.
What association with Farrakan?
A campaign volunteer with a Che flag?
A friend/pastor that says some despicable things that Obama has repeatedly condemned?
Sounds like a whole lot of nothing to me...
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
You may recall my first post used the phrase "devil's advocate." Honestly I am torn. The two party system blows and to keep on voting for the lesser of two evils that are both indebted to corporate funders perpetuates the problems, but I really wish Gore had won. I blame a lot of things. I don't really blame Nader, but at the same time, I wish he had not run.
We tried, as humans, to provide a candidate for the people, and we voted, as many of us as we could find, to put an end to corporate handouts and the military industrial complex, to end this corrupt system of brutality. And we would have won were it not for the millions of cowards that call themselves free-thinking Americans. If a man hasn't found something to die for he might as well not be alive. And for this cause i would, it is that important.
The fact that so many of you chose not to support an alternative to the system, that so many of you chose to support it, even with your vote for Kerry or Gore, shows the cowardice that runs deep in this country.
It is not those of us that voted for Nader that have to bear a burden...it is you, you who didn't have the courage to stand up and put an end to this Amerikan Empire.
I just wanted to highlight this. I think it is very profound. Nicely said.
I know some of you here that are critical of Obama agree with a lot of what this pastor has said as well. Your just too afraid to admit it
I didn't mean to come across as snapping at you...so I'm sorry if I gave that impression.
I'm glad Nader ran. We don't live in a two-party dictatorship where we're obligated to vote a certain way or else be blamed for their loss. The is a democracy, people can run for office and should be voted for if they have the best ideas. There's no obligation to vote for anyone of any party. Just vote for the people you trust, the one's who have been honest and proven themselves worthy. That's all any of us can do. We're losing this game out of fear and doing nothing about it.
"In true democracy every man and women is taught to think for himself or herself." ~ Gandhi
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
A wasted country ripe for corporate exploitation complete with a cheap labor pool, not to mention an obediant gov't, be it a dictatorship, democracy whatever.
talk to the 50,000,000 people that voted for Bush...
if people cannot see the stark differences between Obama and McCain then i dont know what to tell em...
for the record... Nader is not a qualified candidate for President in my opinion. yeah i agree with him on alot of issues... but the man has NEVER held an office, EVER... running a few non profits and railing against wall street does not mean you are qualified for the highest poltical office in the world... so i cant do the "cool" thing and vote for a guy simply because he has no chance of winning... he is a poor candidiate in my opinion
Nothing? Really? How do you know? Nothing. Wow. Now i'm enlightrned.
Apparently YOU'VE attended this church for 17 years because you know EVERYTHING the man has said and done over that period of time!
Do you really think the man's career can be boiled down to the three or four soundbytes you've downloaded from YouTube and probably have running as your fucking screensaver?
That being said, let's take a look at some of the things said by the guy being tirelessly looped on te news networks. Some of the things are definitely over the top. Some are diefinitely devisive, and worthy of denouncement. The G-D america thing especially comes to mind.
However, what did he really say? "America is ruled by rich white people." IT IS! Hillary clinton doesn't know what its like to be a poor black boy in a single parent home in America". SHE DOESN'T! "American foreign policy such as the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki are reprehensible". Gee many argue that it has been! There were quite a few comments about Hiroshima and Nagasaki in this very forum a couple of days ago! "9/11 was a case of America's chickens coming home to roost". Again, many, including some here, not only agree, but argue the very same thing! Hell, that isn't even as crazy as those who believe George Bush practically set the explosives and detonated them himself.
Again, i'm not defending the statements we have all been inundated with the past few days. They are innappropriate for sure, but to say, especially for you who have no idea save what you have cnn on t.v. to say, that for the past 17 years the guy has "done nothing but spew racist bigotry" is absolutely stupid.
I think I'm going to stop listening to Pearl Jam because of the sexist thing Eddie said about that one woman with the small breasts back in '03.