The War on Women: Abortion and the South

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  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    soulsinging wrote:
    tell you what, you work on a system that GUARANTEES that women will never be left high and dry on their own by the father, that guarantees his income goes to support his child, that she will be assured of the necessary medical attention needed to give birth to and raise a child, and that fixes our adoption system so that babies offered for adoption are actually adopted and not shuttled around the foster care system in a way that costs adoptive parents thousands to get through the paperwork, you do all those things, and we'll talk about abortion again.

    but until you all demonstrate that pro-life means supporting and protecting that life once it is born as vigorously as you do when it's in the womb, your stance is nothing but hot-winded hypocrisy to me and i will never see it as being about life rather than about a bludgeon to control women's sex lives.

    what a bunch of shit....
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    810wmb wrote:
    what a bunch of shit....

    i thought as much. you don't give a flying fuck about what happens to those poor precious little babies, do you? it's all about making sure women know they will be punished for having too much sex.
  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    soulsinging wrote:
    i thought as much. you don't give a flying fuck about what happens to those poor precious little babies, do you? it's all about making sure women know they will be punished for having too much sex.

    you don't know me, you don't know what the fuck i think about babies after they are born.

    women having too much sex....hey, i'm all for it...there is RESPONSIBILITY involved..for any freaking choice you make.

    edit - i think yr comment is full of shit

    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=071011133309.vhjahw6y&show_article=1

    timely
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    soulsinging wrote:
    tell you what, you work on a system that GUARANTEES that women will never be left high and dry on their own by the father, that guarantees his income goes to support his child, that she will be assured of the necessary medical attention needed to give birth to and raise a child, and that fixes our adoption system so that babies offered for adoption are actually adopted and not shuttled around the foster care system in a way that costs adoptive parents thousands to get through the paperwork... you do all those things, and we'll talk about abortion again.

    The system is there. It's called not having sex unless you're ready to support a child.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    810wmb wrote:
    you don't know me, you don't know what the fuck i think about babies after they are born.

    women having too much sex....hey, i'm all for it...there is RESPONSIBILITY involved..for any freaking choice you make.

    edit - i think yr comment is full of shit

    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=071011133309.vhjahw6y&show_article=1

    timely

    that looks like quite an interesting movie. i look forward to seeing it.

    yes, there is responsibility involved. but until you find a way to ensure that BOTH parties to a pregnancy are forced to fulfill their responsibilities, it is bullshit to let men off the hook and nail women for it. if men suffer no penalty for passing on the responsibility, neither should women.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    know1 wrote:
    The system is there. It's called not having sex unless you're ready to support a child.

    you advocate a life sentence for men who have sex then too? prison until the child turns 18 if they are not willing to support the child? with mothers of such imprisoned men getting state "spouse benefits" for the child's health care?
  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    soulsinging wrote:
    tell you what, you work on a system that GUARANTEES that women will never be left high and dry on their own by the father, that guarantees his income goes to support his child, that she will be assured of the necessary medical attention needed to give birth to and raise a child, and that fixes our adoption system so that babies offered for adoption are actually adopted and not shuttled around the foster care system in a way that costs adoptive parents thousands to get through the paperwork... you do all those things, and we'll talk about abortion again.

    but until you all demonstrate that pro-life means supporting and protecting that life once it is born as vigorously as you do when it's in the womb, your stance is nothing but hot-winded hypocrisy to me and i will never see it as being about anything other than a bludgeon to control women's sex lives and the life thing is only a convenient rationalization.


    hey all that money spent on killing them, might be spent on the system to raise them..we'll never know as long as we keep yanking em outta there

    know1 - +1000
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    810wmb wrote:
    http://www.priestsforlife.org/resources/abortionimages/fetaldevelopment.htm

    pics at 7 weeks........it's not a baby....it's not alive, let's rip 'er out


    i never said it wasn't alive.

    http://www.visembryo.com/baby/21.html
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    810wmb wrote:
    hey all that money spent on killing them, might be spent on the system to raise them..we'll never know as long as we keep yanking em outta there

    know1 - +1000

    who spends money on killing them? abortions are privately funded.
  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    soulsinging wrote:
    you advocate a life sentence for men who have sex then too? prison until the child turns 18 if they are not willing to support the child? with mothers of such imprisoned men getting state "spouse benefits" for the child's health care?

    i don't know where you live, but around here, if you don't pay, you go to jail...once again, there is a choice involved
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    catefrances wrote:
    i never said it wasn't alive.

    http://www.visembryo.com/baby/21.html

    if it's alive, then it's a baby, right?

    you can't kill anything that's not alive
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    810wmb wrote:
    i don't know where you live, but around here, if you don't pay, you go to jail...once again, there is a choice involved

    not here. you can go years without paying. if you walk into the police station, they will put you in jail for a few days. then you're back out. for someone who wants people hung right after murder trials, you're prety soft on the deadbeats.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    soulsinging wrote:
    you advocate a life sentence for men who have sex then too? prison until the child turns 18 if they are not willing to support the child? with mothers of such imprisoned men getting state "spouse benefits" for the child's health care?

    Sure. I'd support that. I think both sides need to be equally responsible.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    soulsinging wrote:
    not here. you can go years without paying. if you walk into the police station, they will put you in jail for a few days. then you're back out. for someone who wants people hung right after murder trials, you're prety soft on the deadbeats.

    fucking move then...

    hey yr right! right after an abortion, we should hang the women having them...damn, i am getting soft
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    810wmb wrote:
    fucking move then...

    hey yr right! right after an abortion, we should hang the women having them...damn, i am getting soft

    and the deadbeats. and the doctors. hang all 3!
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    know1 wrote:
    Sure. I'd support that. I think both sides need to be equally responsible.

    ok, that's cool.
  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    soulsinging wrote:
    and the deadbeats. and the doctors. hang all 3!

    well, no sense wastin good rope that's just hangin there!

    for the record, the man is equally responsible..i thought i'd covered that
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    810wmb wrote:
    if it's alive, then it's a baby, right?

    you can't kill anything that's not alive

    by definition it depends on what stage of growth it is at. up to the 8th week tis called an embryo.
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    810wmb wrote:
    well, no sense wastin good rope that's just hangin there!

    for the record, the man is equally responsible..i thought i'd covered that

    and i thought i'd covered the fact that if you're going to go to such lengths to hold the woman accountable, you need a way to keep the man accountable as well. i rarely see any mention of that from the pro-lifers... they seem to only focus on those whoring women killing babies.
  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    catefrances wrote:
    by definition it depends on what stage of growth it is at. up to the 8th week tis called an embryo.

    that's fine, but did you look at the pics?

    the embryo has hands and feet and is alive
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat

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