Jeanie, I'm putting matters of abortion on the table. The most important aspect of which is the functionality and development of the human embryo/fetus. That is what the abortion debate is about. Female bodies are involved, yes, but it's not the end-all of the debate. It's only half of the debate. My points are stated quite clearly for you to address.
The abortion debate is about many things. The privacy aspect is about women though. (doctors also of course)
Jeanie, I'm laughing, honestly. Your responses are so off the wall, it's hilarious. You confirmed what I was saying about men being the targets of the "war on ABORTION" as well, not just women, it's not a "war on WOMEN" as you keep saying. Furthermore, you incorrectly stated what the law was, that the law is "in support of women" when we were discussing late pregnancy abortions, and I provided the link to the Parliament of Australia Library.
Don't give me this crap you are giving me now. Nice recovery tactic, but can't you just take a pill, drop your feminist attitude toward this topic and pick up a more egalitarian and educated approach?
So you're not in support of people holding their own views then?
We should all think like you? And continue with the belittling and completely unfounded superiority complex, it suits you well Ryan. Just makes you look like a bigger tool. And is one of the reasons that discussing things like this with you completely bores me to tears. You are so focused on what you think my point of view is, and busy assuming what you think I believe that you're actually are projecting your crap on to me. Well that's nice, but can't you go torture angelica or something useful? coz you're not really doing much here. Bottom line, as far as I'm concerned? It's my body and if I need an abortion I will have one, whether it's legal or not AND IF someone decides to declare war on me while I do that, then I will retaliate. But anyway, I'm thinking that you just want a soapbox for your usual crap because you were deprived of attention as a child or somebody made you feel dumb or less, I am not interested in providing you with that forum. So best you talk to yourself from here on in. And thanks for being a complete bastard today, I really appreciate it. I probably deserved it for being a woman and daring to say what I thought. I won't bother next time. That's what you want isn't it?
The abortion debate is about many things. The privacy aspect is about women though. (doctors also of course)
Are all abortion doctors women?
If not, then it's not about "Women", it's about Pregnant women and doctors who abort fetuses. But privacy wasn't the context of the discussion anyway. I see your point, but it doesn't make the abortion issue a "War on Women".
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So you're not in support of people holding their own views then?
We should all think like you? And continue with the belittling and completely unfounded superiority complex, it suits you well Ryan. Just makes you look like a bigger tool. And is one of the reasons that discussing things like this with you completely bores me to tears. You are so focused on what you think my point of view is, and busy assuming what you think I believe that you're actually are projecting your crap on to me. Well that's nice, but can't you go torture angelica or something useful? coz you're not really doing much here. Bottom line, as far as I'm concerned? It's my body and if I need an abortion I will have one, whether it's legal or not AND IF someone decides to declare war on me while I do that, then I will retaliate. But anyway, I'm thinking that you just want a soapbox for your usual crap because you were deprived of attention as a child or somebody made you feel dumb or less, I am not interested in providing you with that forum. So best you talk to yourself from here on in. And thanks for being a complete bastard today, I really appreciate it. I probably deserved it for being a woman and daring to say what I thought. I won't bother next time. That's what you want isn't it?
Don't be such an idiot Jeanie. This is about a serious political issue called Abortion. If you can't accept that, then that's your problem. Just grow up, I'm sick of your bullshit statements. It's not about women, it's not about me and it's not about men. It's about ABORTION. Get it? You must have been indoctrinated into some seriously lop-sided thinking about society. I'm sick of you blaming men for the debate, when many of the pro-Life supporters are women and I'm sick of you hiding behind your feminism to support your view. It'd almost be nice if you were imprisoned for aborting a viable fetus. Then your ignorant, myopic, feminist and stereotypical view of reality can be shut up for good. Unfortunately you are one of a billion such ignorant people and imprisoning you would cost a valuable life. I firmly believe you have the capacity to be an intelligent and egalitarian individual, but you have far to much support to be ignorant.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
If not, then it's not about "Women", it's about Pregnant women and doctors who abort fetuses. But privacy wasn't the context of the discussion anyway. I see your point, but it doesn't make the abortion issue a "War on Women".
Being that it's a woman's health issue it certainly does. If you were told you couldn't have surgergy on a festering testical because it was immoral, that would certainly be a male medical issue that was being warred upon.
Being that it's a woman's health issue it certainly does. If you were told you couldn't have surgergy on a festering teste because it was immoral, that would certainly be a male medical issue that was being warred upon.
Don't start with me gue, read the rest of the thread. It is not strictly a woman's health issue. If my testicle was a separate viable human being, then it would be a lot bigger issue.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Don't start with me gue, read the rest of the thread. It is not strictly a woman's health issue. If my testicle was a separate viable human being, then it would be a lot bigger issue.
Continue on with your back and forth emotional scrap. Kill each other, I don't care. I've tried to provide an understanding of how most western countries currently deal with this issue. A perspective that has been settled in court over decades or centuries of abortion history. You don't agree with me, then you don't agree with the law. This debate will never end.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
So, now my sperm is a separate viable human being?
A fetus would have my sperm in it, half of it's chromosomes would be mine, which means half of that baby is my DNA and my flesh and blood. Yet, you are saying it's strictly a "Woman's health" issue?
Every time I jack off I'm commiting a massacre of viable human beings?
Get your head on straight.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
So, now my sperm is a separate viable human being?
A fetus would have my sperm in it, half of it's chromosomes would be mine, which means half of that baby is my DNA and my flesh and blood. Yet, you are saying it's strictly a "Woman's health" issue?
Every time I jack off I'm commiting a massacre of viable human beings?
Get your head on straight.
You obviously haven't seen Monty Pythons "Every Sperm is Sacred" from The Meaning of Life!
"I'd rather be with an animal." "Those that can be trusted can change their mind." "The in between is mine." "If I don't lose control, explore and not explode, a preternatural other plane with the power to maintain." "Yeh this is living." "Life is what you make it."
Continue on with your back and forth emotional scrap. Kill each other, I don't care. I've tried to provide an understanding of how most western countries currently deal with this issue. A perspective that has been settled in court over decades or centuries of abortion history. You don't agree with me, then you don't agree with the law. This debate will never end.
It can only be a purgatorial health issue for men. Kind of like being a poor man and wanting sex change surgery, I guess.
Being that it's a woman's health issue it certainly does. If you were told you couldn't have surgergy on a festering testical because it was immoral, that would certainly be a male medical issue that was being warred upon.
Now gue, being the rampant lesbian, hairy armpitted feminist that I am :rolleyes: (not that there's anything wrong with that ) not to mention an uneducated idiot that needs to grow up, obviously I'm expected to say that as a woman, who cares about your festering testicles or your male medical issues? You should submit to my thinking on this issue. Do you wanna go to war over it?
Now gue, being the rampant lesbian, hairy armpitted feminist that I am :rolleyes: (not that there's anything wrong with that ) not to mention an uneducated idiot that needs to grow up, obviously I'm expected to say that as a woman, who cares about your festering testicles or your male medical issues? You should submit to my thinking on this issue. Do you wanna go to war over it?
Only if the peaceful solution involves... a sexual wager.
Something along the lines of servitude to the loser.
"I'd rather be with an animal." "Those that can be trusted can change their mind." "The in between is mine." "If I don't lose control, explore and not explode, a preternatural other plane with the power to maintain." "Yeh this is living." "Life is what you make it."
Hey Jeanie, if you read it a little closer... it kind of has a ring of contemporary truth to it. On this issue of men and women and sexual morality. Of course, bringing sexual morality into this might confuse those who have read my post about this being a woman's health isssue. Could it be that the morality of the right is more concerned about male sexual dominance? Could it be that abortion is not really the issue at all?
For some reason, I picture a downtrodden and irate, possibly mentally ill woman ramming a coat hanger up her uterus to descimate a healthy child, all the while hysterically repeating the phrase "It's my body I'll do what I want."
congratulations. you have the honor of being responsible for stating the most utterly ridiculous comment that i have ever read on AMT. that's a real feat. there have been many in the past.
congratulations. you have the honor of being responsible for stating the most utterly ridiculous comment that i have ever read on AMT. that's a real feat. there have been many in the past.
Hey Jeanie, if you read it a little closer... it kind of has a ring of contemporary truth to it. On this issue of men and women and sexual morality. Of course, bringing sexual morality into this might confuse those who have read my post about this being a woman's health isssue. Could it be that the morality of the right is more concerned about male sexual dominance? Could it be that abortion is not really the issue at all?
To be honest gue, I have wondered that myself. I think that people become embroiled in this issue for different motivations. Certainly there are some, I think, that support "traditional" roles and see it as an opportunity to assert male sexual dominance, well just male dominance in general. It certainly does appear that being anti abortion for some is an excuse to push a moralistic and religious agenda. But then I'm quite sure there are people that can and do say that my position is a feminist ideological one and that I wouldn't be happy until women rule the world. That's not the case. (well not really! But it sounds good! ) In my perfect scenario, there would be no need for abortion, but until we reach perfection I absolutely believe in the ultimate right of the individual over their body and seeing as I don't consider an embryo to be an individual, then the pregnant woman has the right to access whatever medical procedure she requires to maintain her health and individuality SHOULD that be what she wants. Ultimately I do see much of this issue being about control and power and who has it and who thinks they should have it. I just know that I cannot think of any circumstance where I would dictate what someone else should do to their body, and I guess it is my expectation that I be afforded the same courtesy. SO yeah, if some people wish to dominate me or choose for me or bail me up on my way to the doctor, I will certainly have something to say about it. Oh and personally, I think if more people adopted the Make Love Not War slogan as their motto the world would be a much better place.
To be honest gue, I have wondered that myself. I think that people become embroiled in this issue for different motivations. Certainly there are some, I think, that support "traditional" roles and see it as an opportunity to assert male sexual dominance, well just male dominance in general. It certainly does appear that being anti abortion for some is an excuse to push a moralistic and religious agenda. But then I'm quite sure there are people that can and do say that my position is a feminist ideological one and that I wouldn't be happy until women rule the world. That's not the case. (well not really! But it sounds good! ) In my perfect scenario, there would be no need for abortion, but until we reach perfection I absolutely believe in the ultimate right of the individual over their body and seeing as I don't consider an embryo to be an individual, then the pregnant woman has the right to access whatever medical procedure she requires to maintain her health and individuality SHOULD that be what she wants. Ultimately I do see much of this issue being about control and power and who has it and who thinks they should have it. I just know that I cannot think of any circumstance where I would dictate what someone else should do to their body, and I guess it is my expectation that I be afforded the same courtesy. SO yeah, if some people wish to dominate me or choose for me or bail me up on my way to the doctor, I will certainly have something to say about it. Oh and personally, I think if more people adopted the Make Love Not War slogan as their motto the world would be a much better place.
There is no gender dominance "in general." It is traditional, and specified.
To be honest gue, I have wondered that myself. I think that people become embroiled in this issue for different motivations. Certainly there are some, I think, that support "traditional" roles and see it as an opportunity to assert male sexual dominance, well just male dominance in general. It certainly does appear that being anti abortion for some is an excuse to push a moralistic and religious agenda. But then I'm quite sure there are people that can and do say that my position is a feminist ideological one and that I wouldn't be happy until women rule the world. That's not the case. (well not really! But it sounds good! ) In my perfect scenario, there would be no need for abortion, but until we reach perfection I absolutely believe in the ultimate right of the individual over their body and seeing as I don't consider an embryo to be an individual, then the pregnant woman has the right to access whatever medical procedure she requires to maintain her health and individuality SHOULD that be what she wants. Ultimately I do see much of this issue being about control and power and who has it and who thinks they should have it. I just know that I cannot think of any circumstance where I would dictate what someone else should do to their body, and I guess it is my expectation that I be afforded the same courtesy. SO yeah, if some people wish to dominate me or choose for me or bail me up on my way to the doctor, I will certainly have something to say about it. Oh and personally, I think if more people adopted the Make Love Not War slogan as their motto the world would be a much better place.
Yeah but then with all the lovin goin on there would be more pregnancies and more potential abortions :eek:
"When you're climbing to the top, you'd better know the way back down" MSB
Yeah but then with all the lovin goin on there would be more pregnancies and more potential abortions :eek:
We're talking perfect world here. So humanity would FINALLY have become enlightened and educated enough that there could be a whole lotta lovin without pregnancy or abortion. But then I suspect it gets back to what gue's talking about.
We're talking perfect world here. So humanity would FINALLY have become enlightened and educated enough that there could be a whole lotta lovin without pregnancy or abortion. But then I suspect it gets back to what gue's talking about.
Well ok then, I'm all for lovin without negative strings. In that scenerio, yep go at it like bunnies!
"When you're climbing to the top, you'd better know the way back down" MSB
Now, anti-abortion groups are strategizing ways to outlaw birth control and eliminate sex education.
Nobody commented on this before when I asked. I'm really curious about it. Can somebody please elaborate on it for me?
And, just to stir the shite a bit - All you angry women that are busy accusing men of trying to excercise control over your bodies by banning abortion, perhaps you missed the part in the original article that said the anti-abortion protesters that hang around these clinics are mostly women. . .
"The protesters are mostly women. They look like Sunday school teachers, housewives and hip grandmas. And, during the past few months, they have grown more vocal and more organized, emboldened by the recent closure of the only clinic in Mobile."
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The abortion debate is about many things. The privacy aspect is about women though. (doctors also of course)
So you're not in support of people holding their own views then?
We should all think like you? And continue with the belittling and completely unfounded superiority complex, it suits you well Ryan. Just makes you look like a bigger tool. And is one of the reasons that discussing things like this with you completely bores me to tears. You are so focused on what you think my point of view is, and busy assuming what you think I believe that you're actually are projecting your crap on to me. Well that's nice, but can't you go torture angelica or something useful? coz you're not really doing much here. Bottom line, as far as I'm concerned? It's my body and if I need an abortion I will have one, whether it's legal or not AND IF someone decides to declare war on me while I do that, then I will retaliate. But anyway, I'm thinking that you just want a soapbox for your usual crap because you were deprived of attention as a child or somebody made you feel dumb or less, I am not interested in providing you with that forum. So best you talk to yourself from here on in. And thanks for being a complete bastard today, I really appreciate it. I probably deserved it for being a woman and daring to say what I thought. I won't bother next time. That's what you want isn't it?
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Are all abortion doctors women?
If not, then it's not about "Women", it's about Pregnant women and doctors who abort fetuses. But privacy wasn't the context of the discussion anyway. I see your point, but it doesn't make the abortion issue a "War on Women".
Don't be such an idiot Jeanie. This is about a serious political issue called Abortion. If you can't accept that, then that's your problem. Just grow up, I'm sick of your bullshit statements. It's not about women, it's not about me and it's not about men. It's about ABORTION. Get it? You must have been indoctrinated into some seriously lop-sided thinking about society. I'm sick of you blaming men for the debate, when many of the pro-Life supporters are women and I'm sick of you hiding behind your feminism to support your view. It'd almost be nice if you were imprisoned for aborting a viable fetus. Then your ignorant, myopic, feminist and stereotypical view of reality can be shut up for good. Unfortunately you are one of a billion such ignorant people and imprisoning you would cost a valuable life. I firmly believe you have the capacity to be an intelligent and egalitarian individual, but you have far to much support to be ignorant.
Being that it's a woman's health issue it certainly does. If you were told you couldn't have surgergy on a festering testical because it was immoral, that would certainly be a male medical issue that was being warred upon.
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Don't start with me gue, read the rest of the thread. It is not strictly a woman's health issue. If my testicle was a separate viable human being, then it would be a lot bigger issue.
It produces sperm. And contains all-human DNA.
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Continue on with your back and forth emotional scrap. Kill each other, I don't care. I've tried to provide an understanding of how most western countries currently deal with this issue. A perspective that has been settled in court over decades or centuries of abortion history. You don't agree with me, then you don't agree with the law. This debate will never end.
So, now my sperm is a separate viable human being?
A fetus would have my sperm in it, half of it's chromosomes would be mine, which means half of that baby is my DNA and my flesh and blood. Yet, you are saying it's strictly a "Woman's health" issue?
Every time I jack off I'm commiting a massacre of viable human beings?
Get your head on straight.
No, just another step in the continuous process of life.
It can only be a purgatorial health issue for men. Kind of like being a poor man and wanting sex change surgery, I guess.
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I used to have those thoughts...like sperm was magical, or something. And the dead and dying sperm were rising spirits.
When I was in my early 20's.
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Now gue, being the rampant lesbian, hairy armpitted feminist that I am :rolleyes: (not that there's anything wrong with that
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Only if the peaceful solution involves... a sexual wager.
Something along the lines of servitude to the loser.
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Make love not war!
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Yes! A very sacred sperm indeed!
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congratulations. you have the honor of being responsible for stating the most utterly ridiculous comment that i have ever read on AMT. that's a real feat. there have been many in the past.
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To be honest gue, I have wondered that myself. I think that people become embroiled in this issue for different motivations. Certainly there are some, I think, that support "traditional" roles and see it as an opportunity to assert male sexual dominance, well just male dominance in general. It certainly does appear that being anti abortion for some is an excuse to push a moralistic and religious agenda. But then I'm quite sure there are people that can and do say that my position is a feminist ideological one and that I wouldn't be happy until women rule the world. That's not the case. (well not really! But it sounds good!
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There is no gender dominance "in general." It is traditional, and specified.
And yes, Make Love Not War.
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Well I'm sure you'll understand why I can't say that without being labelled a feminist. Apparently my views on history are skewed.
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We're talking perfect world here.
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Nobody commented on this before when I asked. I'm really curious about it. Can somebody please elaborate on it for me?
And, just to stir the shite a bit - All you angry women that are busy accusing men of trying to excercise control over your bodies by banning abortion, perhaps you missed the part in the original article that said the anti-abortion protesters that hang around these clinics are mostly women. . .
"The protesters are mostly women. They look like Sunday school teachers, housewives and hip grandmas. And, during the past few months, they have grown more vocal and more organized, emboldened by the recent closure of the only clinic in Mobile."
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