The War on Women: Abortion and the South

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edited October 2007 in A Moving Train
Anti-Abortion Movement Borrows Tactics from the KKK
By Carrie Kilman, In These Times
Posted on October 10, 2007, Printed on October 10, 2007
http://www.alternet.org/story/64551/

Every Wednesday and Friday morning, two or three volunteers wearing bright green shirts that read "Pro-Choice, Y'all" assemble in front of Reproductive Health Services in Montgomery, Ala., to escort patients from the parking lot to the front door, past a small sea of anti-abortion protesters.

The protesters carry handmade signs and pictures of fetuses sucking their thumbs. They play violins and blow loudly into horns. They thrust graphic pamphlets at the patients, form prayer circles on the sidewalk, and teach their children to plead with women to not murder their babies. The protesters are mostly women. They look like Sunday school teachers, housewives and hip grandmas. And, during the past few months, they have grown more vocal and more organized, emboldened by the recent closure of the only clinic in Mobile.

Every state in the Deep South -- Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi and South Carolina -- restricts low-income women's access to abortion. Most ban abortion after 12 weeks of pregnancy. None explicitly protect heath care facilities from harassment or violence. All have mandatory delay laws that unfairly burden women who have limited access to transportation and time off work, and Louisiana and South Carolina both passed unconstitutional laws requiring a husband's consent for a married woman's abortion. In the past 16 months, two abortion clinics in Alabama have closed, and new regulations are making it difficult for other clinics to stay open. Now, anti-abortion groups are strategizing ways to outlaw birth control and eliminate sex education.

Michelle Colon, president of the National Organization for Women's (NOW) Mid-South region (Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi and Tennessee) calls it a "war on women" -- the gravity of which citizens in more progressive parts of the country don't appreciate. "The rest of the country kind of writes off the South -- people feel the battle has been lost here," Colon says.

Colon is part of a vocal, scrappy cadre of grassroots activists challenging the well-funded, entrenched anti-abortion movement that has long dominated state legislatures and local pulpits across the region. One Southern feminist put it this way: "Women here are sick and tired of being sick and tired." "It's not legal, is it?"

Every morning when June Ayers arrives for work, she scans the parking lot for suspicious people and packages before getting out of her car. Ayers owns Reproductive Health Services, one of seven clinics that provide abortions in Alabama. She's been followed home, trailed at the mall and harassed on her front porch.

Ayers was close friends with David Gunn, a doctor who performed abortions at clinics throughout Alabama and Florida. Anti-abortion protesters plastered Gunn's face and home phone number to "Wanted" posters and distributed them at rallies. He answered their harassment by blasting Tom Petty's "I Won't Back Down", singing along, and wagging his finger in their direction. In March 1993, Gunn died when a protester shot him three times in the back outside of his clinic in Pensacola, Fla. The doctor on Ayers' staff now wears a bulletproof vest.

Ayers recently invested in a sprinkler system to keep the protesters at bay. She has also installed concrete stepping-stones across the lawn so patients and escorts can avoid the protesters crowding the sidewalk. She bought orange vests for the escorts, so startled patients can distinguish between protesters and volunteers.

"At least once a month, I have women who call me and ask whether abortion is legal. That type of misinformation is rampant," says Ayers. "We're in the middle of the Bible Belt. It's not just religion, it's the fanatical religious aspect that keeps stirring people up who are opposed to us."

It's a place where the Christian Coalition holds sway over politicians, and many people vote the way they're told in church. The legislative climate is "very hostile" toward abortion, says Felicia Brown Williams, who oversees Planned Parenthood's advocacy agenda in Mississippi, one of two states with only one abortion clinic.

Mississippi has passed so many laws governing what abortion clinics can and cannot do that it is virtually impossible to open a second clinic without breaking state law. Mississippi requires permission from both parents for women under 18, except in cases of incest. The state's conscience clause allows pharmacists to refuse to fill prescriptions for birth control. And earlier this year the Mississippi legislature passed a "trigger law," immediately making abortion illegal should Roe v. Wade be overturned.
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  • sweetpotatosweetpotato Posts: 1,278
    con't


    From 'pro choice' to 'reproductive justice'

    In the early-1990s, researcher Loretta Ross noticed the anti-abortion movement was borrowing tactics from the Ku Klux Klan -- things like "Wanted" posters and targeted bombings. Ross now directs SisterSong, a national reproductive health collective in Atlanta. She travels the country, encouraging groups like Planned Parenthood to adopt a philosophy that SisterSong terms "reproductive justice."

    "Stopping at the right to terminate a pregnancy is woefully inadequate when it comes to the realities of people of color," Ross says. "We have to fight for three different dimensions of the struggle: We join our pro-choice sisters to fight for the right not to have a child; but as women of color, we have been subjected to various strategies of population control, like forced sterilization, so we also have to fight for the right to have a child, especially in the context of people accusing us of having babies to get on welfare or to stay in the country. And we have to fight for the right to parent the children we already have, thanks to a criminal justice system that's trying to capture them earlier and earlier."

    Moving from "pro-choice" to "reproductive justice" may prove crucial in the Deep South -- home to a fast-growing Latino population -- and towns like Montgomery, Ala., which is about 50 percent black.

    "There is an unholy alliance between the legislators who oppose civil rights and the legislators who oppose reproductive rights," Ross says. "As long as we look at reproductive rights only as the politics of gender, we will be missing the guiding script."

    Each year, Operation Save America (OSA) targets different clinics across the United States. Last summer, the group traveled to Jackson, Miss., for a weeklong "siege" to temporarily shut down the state's only abortion clinic. OSA members, who compare themselves to Martin Luther King Jr., liken abortion to black genocide and lynching. While the anti-abortion movement has made inroads with some black churches, OSA's references to lynching and Rev. King went too far.

    Jackson's abortion rights community mobilized to protect the last clinic in Mississippi. With volunteers coming from as far as Canada, they organized a door-knocking campaign, traversing Jackson's communities of color and poor white communities, educating residents about OSA.

    Abortion rights supporters from across the South flooded Jackson that week, in a series of counter-rallies and speak-outs called Reproductive Freedom Summer. OSA's tactics -- burning a Gay Pride flag and pages of the Koran, and picketing two Christian churches -- created a local uproar. The clinic stayed open. So goes the nation

    Other states, like New York or Wisconsin, have achieved a kind of equilibrium, with a mass of vocal supporters on both sides. Outside of cities like Atlanta, this isn't true of the Deep South.

    "People are afraid to be seen at pro-choice events for fear of losing their jobs, or being rejected from church, or their kids being ostracized at school," says Colon, of Mid-South NOW. In some places in the South, abortion is referred to as the "A word"; and many women, upon arriving for an abortion, tell clinic staff they think abortion is wrong.

    "Most of the time, women think they actually deserve the ridicule and harassment from the street protesters," says Ayers, from the Montgomery clinic. "It's self-punishment: 'I deserve to be accosted, because this is the choice I'm making.'"

    Last year, Deirdra Harris Glover realized her silence implied tacit approval of Mississippi's proposed abortion ban. So Glover, an admitted "professional geek," launched ProChoiceMississippi.org to encourage closeted abortion rights supporters to come out. "Shame is an incredibly dehumanizing tactic used by the anti-abortion movement," Glover wrote in an email. "They've managed to paint abortion as too awful to ever be dragged into the light of day."

    The Deep South's reproductive rights community has few political allies. In Mississippi and Louisiana, Democrats run on anti-choice platforms. "We don't have any judges on our side. We don't have many in the media on our side," says Colon. "The pro-choice allies in the state legislature are the older black men. The women in the legislature sell us out every time."

    And yet thinking that anti-choice zealotry is only an issue south of the Mason-Dixon line is a mistake. Laws restricting women's access to healthcare have chipped away at abortion rights in almost every state. In fact, only seven states have laws protecting the right to an abortion.

    "In some ways, the South is behind; but in some ways, the South is dictating the rest of the country," says Ross, of SisterSong. "There wouldn't be a resurgent right-wing if the rest of the country wasn't becoming Dixie-fied."

    Colon adds: "If we lose the South, the middle of the country won't be long."


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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    too long...
  • Pacomc79Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    ok, a lot of this is ridiculous as most peoples opinion of "the dreaded south" is and has been since the 1860's.

    The VAST MAJORITY of people in the United States (the south included) are in favor of abortion being legal.

    There are a few abortocentrists whose sole goal in life is to end abortion or at least legalized abortion so they can go back to putting fingers in their ears and pretending it dosen't happen.

    The people against abortion are very passionate just as those in favor of legalization are very passionate. There is no way other than hiring private security or building fences what have you to completely isolate women from this type of beratement. It's a non winnable argument and a fight not worth fighting really. Ignoring them is the only great solution. No one is changing anyones mind on this subject, it's become worthless to debate. As I believe Mrs. Roosevelt put it... the only one that can make you truely feel inferior is yourself. Yes it's lame and pretty much anti Christian to go out and tell people they are the scum of the earth for whatever they are doing but hey, that's the reality of Fundamentalism. We have to simply coexist. Just like Communist and Capitalists, Lefties Rightes etc. etc. Getting rid of groups we don't like is not going to happen so we need to learn to live with each other and the Fundamentalists are already off the deep end so the rational people will have to keep order and just try to let them have thier opinions while we all go on with our lives.

    This whole....watch out for the evil south thing.... is really really old. Anywhere there are fundamentalist religious groups this is what you are going to have... The whole...oh the south is this the south is that makes whoever the writer is look that much more ignorant.
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  • sweetpotatosweetpotato Posts: 1,278
    Pacomc79 wrote:
    ok, a lot of this is ridiculous as most peoples opinion of "the dreaded south" is and has been since the 1860's.

    The VAST MAJORITY of people in the United States (the south included) are in favor of abortion being legal.

    There are a few abortocentrists whose sole goal in life is to end abortion or at least legalized abortion so they can go back to putting fingers in their ears and pretending it dosen't happen.

    The people against abortion are very passionate just as those in favor of legalization are very passionate. There is no way other than hiring private security or building fences what have you to completely isolate women from this type of beratement. It's a non winnable argument and a fight not worth fighting really. Ignoring them is the only great solution. No one is changing anyones mind on this subject, it's become worthless to debate. As I believe Mrs. Roosevelt put it... the only one that can make you truely feel inferior is yourself. Yes it's lame and pretty much anti Christian to go out and tell people they are the scum of the earth for whatever they are doing but hey, that's the reality of Fundamentalism. We have to simply coexist. Just like Communist and Capitalists, Lefties Rightes etc. etc. Getting rid of groups we don't like is not going to happen so we need to learn to live with each other and the Fundamentalists are already off the deep end so the rational people will have to keep order and just try to let them have thier opinions while we all go on with our lives.

    This whole....watch out for the evil south thing.... is really really old. Anywhere there are fundamentalist religious groups this is what you are going to have... The whole...oh the south is this the south is that makes whoever the writer is look that much more ignorant.

    reality sucks, eh?

    and i think you;re dead wrong about the MAJORITY of people in the south being prochoice. that's just ridiculous to assert. if they were, why would their laws not reflect that? they elect people who are anti-choice. there's a reason for that- because THEY are, too.

    no one's trying to demonize the south. seems to me that when it comes to reproductive rights, the south shows its true colors all on its own.
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    Maybe I'll write an article that is entitled:

    "Pro-Abortion Participants Borrowing ideology from Nazi Germany"
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    Or maybe another article:

    "Ignorance/Prejudice of Southerners harkens back to the Salem Witch Trials"
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  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    Pacomc79 wrote:
    ok, a lot of this is ridiculous as most peoples opinion of "the dreaded south" is and has been since the 1860's.

    The VAST MAJORITY of people in the United States (the south included) are in favor of abortion being legal.

    There are a few abortocentrists whose sole goal in life is to end abortion or at least legalized abortion so they can go back to putting fingers in their ears and pretending it dosen't happen.

    The people against abortion are very passionate just as those in favor of legalization are very passionate. There is no way other than hiring private security or building fences what have you to completely isolate women from this type of beratement. It's a non winnable argument and a fight not worth fighting really. Ignoring them is the only great solution. No one is changing anyones mind on this subject, it's become worthless to debate. As I believe Mrs. Roosevelt put it... the only one that can make you truely feel inferior is yourself. Yes it's lame and pretty much anti Christian to go out and tell people they are the scum of the earth for whatever they are doing but hey, that's the reality of Fundamentalism. We have to simply coexist. Just like Communist and Capitalists, Lefties Rightes etc. etc. Getting rid of groups we don't like is not going to happen so we need to learn to live with each other and the Fundamentalists are already off the deep end so the rational people will have to keep order and just try to let them have thier opinions while we all go on with our lives.

    This whole....watch out for the evil south thing.... is really really old. Anywhere there are fundamentalist religious groups this is what you are going to have... The whole...oh the south is this the south is that makes whoever the writer is look that much more ignorant.

    im from florida and im pro choice and still think abortion is the wrong decision in most case (most not all), however letting a government tell you what to do with your body is upsurd and breaks into the grounds of fascism.

    i dont think its a geographic thing..i think its an educated/enlightened thing going on all over the world... seems the one who are pro choice are the only ones who seem to understand that it is not pro death people...its pro choice... you can be pro choice and think getting an abortion is the bad move.
  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    know1 wrote:
    Or maybe another article:

    "Ignorance/Prejudice of Southerners harkens back to the Salem Witch Trials"
    Wrong........pro-choice in Alabama.....my wife is pro-choice.....my step-daughter who went to a Catholic high school is pro-choice. It's the squeaky wheels getting all the attention. They have to bus in folks from out of town to stage big Pro-life rallies around Birmingham.
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    tybird wrote:
    Wrong........pro-choice in Alabama.....my wife is pro-choice.....my step-daughter who went to a Catholic high school is pro-choice. It's the squeaky wheels getting all the attention. They have to bus in folks from out of town to stage big Pro-life rallies around Birmingham.


    I guess I didn't write that very clearly. I meant the Ignorance/Prejudice of other people REGARDING Southerners harkens back to the Salem Witch Trials"
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    know1 wrote:
    Or maybe another article:

    "Ignorance/Prejudice of Southerners harkens back to the Salem Witch Trials"

    i like that one... very appropriate.

    not sure about the pro-choice nazi one though. i'm not sure i see the connection. though i don't really see the kkk connection either.
  • sweetpotatosweetpotato Posts: 1,278
    i think you guys are confusing the more urban, forward-thinking cities in the south with the south as a whole. maybe folks in atlanta or birmingham have opened their minds a wee bit since the 60's, but it's likely that earl in bumfuck, louisiana is against reproductive rights.

    how else do you explain the fact that those states are legislating to restrict a woman's access to safe abortion at every turn?
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  • as far as the protesting goes, get over it. they aren't doing anything illegal or anything. They are going to berate women because they feel they are murdering someone. Everyone seems to have their mind made up about abortion. I don't know how you prove whats right one way or the other. I really dont think this will ever be settled.

    i'm pro choice btw (but get a little queasy about it for pregnancies more than three months. actually the whole abortion topic makes me queasy).
  • oh another thing:

    I'd say the vast majority of southerners are against abortion, but it seems in my experience most northerners are too. Or at least they certainly look down on people that have had one.

    But then again I've seen many a pro-lifer suddenly change sides when their teenage daughter or girlfriend gets knocked up.
  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    how else do you explain the fact that those states are legislating to restrict a woman's access to safe abortion at every turn?
    No literacy test required for voting. ;)
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    any one see the sara silverman show this last week...freakin hilliarious.

    On abortion....if you want to have the baby have it....just don't meddle..not your business if someone doesn't...we have enough babies already...keep this level of breeding and the world will explode in few years.
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    i think you guys are confusing the more urban, forward-thinking cities in the south with the south as a whole. maybe folks in atlanta or birmingham have opened their minds a wee bit since the 60's, but it's likely that earl in bumfuck, louisiana is against reproductive rights.

    how else do you explain the fact that those states are legislating to restrict a woman's access to safe abortion at every turn?

    Yeah because "reproductive rights" (laughable!) is some progressive enlightend concept.

    To me, it's called "murder" and I think it's a very backward, ignorant concept.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    know1 wrote:
    Yeah because "reproductive rights" (laughable!) is some progressive enlightend concept.

    To me, it's called "murder" and I think it's a very backward, ignorant concept.

    to think once the sperm enters the egg is shazam a human??? yea okay....that makes a lot of sense...kinda like noah putting all of gods creatures on a ship.....okay....sure..
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    callen wrote:
    to think once the sperm enters the egg is shazam a human??? yea okay....that makes a lot of sense...kinda like noah putting all of gods creatures on a ship.....okay....sure..


    The fact that I believe it's murder isn't the only reason I think it's backward and ignorant.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    know1 wrote:
    The fact that I believe it's murder isn't the only reason I think it's backward and ignorant.
    please enlighten me....I just don't get it....wish I could understand, really..not being an ass (this post anyway)......just makes no sense to me..
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    callen wrote:
    please enlighten me....I just don't get it....wish I could understand, really..not being an ass (this post anyway)......just makes no sense to me..

    Well, people always ASSUME someone is against abortion because of religious reasons or they think it's murder.

    I tend to agree with those reasons, but I'm also against it because I think it's incredibly irresponsible to do something to yourself knowingly that will cause a voluntary surgery (and I know, accidents happen, yadda, yadda, yadda).

    And in case it's not obvious, I do think it's murder and I'm against it on every level imaginable and if you want to call me ignorant or worse, that's your prerogative.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Is it just me... or do most of the people who scream the loudest about abortion are usually the one who are too ugly to fuck?
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    "The War on Women"

    Forestbrain, where is Forestbrain?

    This is a neat little linguistic trick, it pretends as if women don't protest against abortion.

    Anyway, just pointing that out. I also don't see anywhere in the constitution where it mentions abortion.

    I'm pro-choice, as the CNS isn't active to around the third-trimester, some will debate that, but they are wrong. Abortion should not take place with a fetus who has a fully functional Central Nervous System and has reached the age of viability. Which is how most developed nations handle abortion.
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  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    Cosmo wrote:
    Is it just me... or do most of the people who scream the loudest about abortion are usually the one who are too ugly to fuck?
    Bingo!!!! We have a winner!! :D:D:D
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Ron Jeremy is too ugly to fuck...
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  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    callen wrote:
    to think once the sperm enters the egg is shazam a human??? yea okay....that makes a lot of sense...kinda like noah putting all of gods creatures on a ship.....okay....sure..

    gee, why don't you take up for those who believe this?
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  • prismprism Posts: 2,440
    know1 wrote:
    The fact that I believe it's murder isn't the only reason I think it's backward and ignorant.

    alrighty, so how is it that bringing another unwanted child into this world is so advanced and smart?
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  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    prism wrote:
    alrighty, so how is it that bringing another unwanted child into this world is so advanced and smart?

    yr right, best just to kill them
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  • prismprism Posts: 2,440
    810wmb wrote:
    yr right, best just to kill them

    come on CW, it's just like squishin' a bug....
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    810wmb wrote:
    yr right, best just to kill them

    Research shows that unwanted children, particularly those of mothers who wanted abortions, have parents who are uninvolved with their lives and have pacifist approach to parenting. The results are typically children with poor social skills, low or no achievement motivation and low self-esteem.
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  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Research shows that unwanted children, particularly those of mothers who wanted abortions, have parents who are uninvolved with their lives and have pacifist approach to parenting. The results are typically children with poor social skills, low or no achievement motivation and low self-esteem.

    true...adoption?
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