i don't know where you live, but around here, if you don't pay, you go to jail...once again, there is a choice involved
not here. you can go years without paying. if you walk into the police station, they will put you in jail for a few days. then you're back out. for someone who wants people hung right after murder trials, you're prety soft on the deadbeats.
you advocate a life sentence for men who have sex then too? prison until the child turns 18 if they are not willing to support the child? with mothers of such imprisoned men getting state "spouse benefits" for the child's health care?
Sure. I'd support that. I think both sides need to be equally responsible.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
not here. you can go years without paying. if you walk into the police station, they will put you in jail for a few days. then you're back out. for someone who wants people hung right after murder trials, you're prety soft on the deadbeats.
fucking move then...
hey yr right! right after an abortion, we should hang the women having them...damn, i am getting soft
well, no sense wastin good rope that's just hangin there!
for the record, the man is equally responsible..i thought i'd covered that
and i thought i'd covered the fact that if you're going to go to such lengths to hold the woman accountable, you need a way to keep the man accountable as well. i rarely see any mention of that from the pro-lifers... they seem to only focus on those whoring women killing babies.
yes i did look at the pics of the developing embryo and foetus. and i didnt see anything i hadn't seen before. i am well aware of what an embryo/foetus looks like and at what stage it gains its faculties. and yes i did see its developing hands and feet. and as you already know i don't deny it's alive.
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tell you what, you work on a system that GUARANTEES that women will never be left high and dry on their own by the father, that guarantees his income goes to support his child, that she will be assured of the necessary medical attention needed to give birth to and raise a child, and that fixes our adoption system so that babies offered for adoption are actually adopted and not shuttled around the foster care system in a way that costs adoptive parents thousands to get through the paperwork... you do all those things, and we'll talk about abortion again.
but until you all demonstrate that pro-life means supporting and protecting that life once it is born as vigorously as you do when it's in the womb, your stance is nothing but hot-winded hypocrisy to me and i will never see it as being about anything other than a bludgeon to control women's sex lives and the life thing is only a convenient rationalization.
I agree with every word of this.
my sister and brother-in-law are pro-life but they can at least put their love, time, energy and money where their mouths are. they were living quietly with their two biological teens and an exchange student. when they decided to take in four little sisters ranging in age from 2 to 8 years-old. after a couple of weeks they knew that they felt that they had to also take in their two older brothers, ages 10 and 12 from another foster home. that's right, SIX siblings that they couldn't stand seeing seperated. All of these kids have Fetal Alcohol Effects and one of them has full-blown Fetal Alcohol Syndrome. right now they're just fostering these kids but they are hoping if the kids get released for adoption that they'll be able to so.
I may not agree with them when it comes to the abortion issue. but i do have the utmost respect for for them because they are willing to back it up by taking care of unwanted kids that are ALREADY HERE. you won't find them out picketing abortion clinics and harrassing pregnant women (not that they ever did) because as you can imagine they're much too busy for that bullshit.
so to all of the pro-lifers that whine and bitch; if I hear another one proclaim that they can't do anything to help the already born kids in this country they better hold that hot air. cause all they deserve is a great big FUCK YOU because it most certainly can be done. so unless they're also willing to back up their words with actions they should just shut the fuck up
It's only "alive" in the same way as a tumor or cancer cell or any other cell is alive. Once removed from the "host" it will die. It can not live on its own. Up until the point at which it can, it only has the "potential" to be alive and become a baby.
"I'd rather be with an animal." "Those that can be trusted can change their mind." "The in between is mine." "If I don't lose control, explore and not explode, a preternatural other plane with the power to maintain." "Yeh this is living." "Life is what you make it."
It's only "alive" in the same way as a tumor or cancer cell or any other cell is alive. Once removed from the "host" it will die. It can not live on its own. Up until the point at which it can, it only has the "potential" to be alive and become a baby.
so, are you opening your home (and wallet, and heart) to all of the unwanted, forced pregnancies?
now why would Mr. Hot-Air want to do any such thing? after all he's so busy picketing abortion clinics and harrassing pregnant women, to give a fucking shit about unwanted kids that already exist.
now why would Mr. Hot-Air want to do any such thing? after all he's so busy picketing abortion clinics and harrassing pregnant women, to give a fucking shit about unwanted kids that already exist.
i picket them with a pitchfork, shithead...i poke the preg babes in the stomach with it...i spit on the unwanted in my hood.
my sister and brother-in-law are pro-life but they can at least put their love, time, energy and money where their mouths are. they were living quietly with their two biological teens and an exchange student. when they decided to take in four little sisters ranging in age from 2 to 8 years-old. after a couple of weeks they knew that they felt that they had to also take in their two older brothers, ages 10 and 12 from another foster home. that's right, SIX siblings that they couldn't stand seeing seperated. All of these kids have Fetal Alcohol Effects and one of them has full-blown Fetal Alcohol Syndrome. right now they're just fostering these kids but they are hoping if the kids get released for adoption that they'll be able to so.
I may not agree with them when it comes to the abortion issue. but i do have the utmost respect for for them because they are willing to back it up by taking care of unwanted kids that are ALREADY HERE. you won't find them out picketing abortion clinics and harrassing pregnant women (not that they ever did) because as you can imagine they're much too busy for that bullshit.
so to all of the pro-lifers that whine and bitch; if I hear another one proclaim that they can't do anything to help the already born kids in this country they better hold that hot air. cause all they deserve is a great big FUCK YOU because it most certainly can be done. so unless they're also willing to back up their words with actions they should just shut the fuck up
in case you can't comprehend that's a great big FUCK YOU and stfu, until you do something back up your pro-life rhetoric
sorry i can't help myself. that is such bullshit ryan. the 'real' issue here is men trying to own women by telling them what they can and can't do with THEIR OWN BODIES. this is the one thing trully beyond men's control and they can't stand it. THAT'S THE REAL ISSUE. so they pass legislation to wrest back the control that they never had in the first place.and never will. if ever i was faced with the decision again to abort a foetus, the issue would start and end with me. this is MY life no one else's.
The real issue is men trying to own women? Give me a break! Are you that dense? I understand you've grown up in a feminist society that trashes the male gender any chance it gets, but come on. This is ridiculous! It's not about you, it's about the child. It is your life, but it's not just your life, it's also the life of a potentially viable human being, that is the point. I personally don't think any guy gives a shit what you do with your body, that's not the issue. Wake up!
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
The real issue is men trying to own women? Give me a break! Are you that dense? I understand you've grown up in a feminist society that trashes the male gender any chance it gets, but come on. This is ridiculous! It's not about you, it's about the child. It is your life, but it's not just your life, it's also the life of a potentially viable human being, that is the point. I personally don't think any guy gives a shit what you do with your body, that's not the issue. Wake up!
Yea, but we probably disagree on the actual abortion debate. I just disagree with the claim that the fate of an unborn child is a topic for women only.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Some women might say "Circumcision is a male topic" but this ignores the fact that women have every capacity of knowledge to have an opinion on circumcision. It's not a matter of preference, it's a matter of biological facts. Facts are things everyone can know regardless of their race, creed or gender.
Abortion is likewise, a debate about facts, not preferences.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Furthermore, this claim "you don't know what it's like" is irrelevant.
You don't know what it's like to be a starving kid in Darfur, but you can sympathize and speak your political voice anyway!
You don't know what it's like to have a learning disability, but you can have an opinion on disability policies.
You don't know what it's like to have Lou Gerig's disease, but you can have an opinion on disability policies.
You don't know what it's like to be an Iraqi, but you can have an opinion on whether or not to blow them up.
etc... etc...
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
sorry i can't help myself. that is such bullshit ryan. the 'real' issue here is men trying to own women by telling them what they can and can't do with THEIR OWN BODIES. this is the one thing trully beyond men's control and they can't stand it. THAT'S THE REAL ISSUE. so they pass legislation to wrest back the control that they never had in the first place.and never will. if ever i was faced with the decision again to abort a foetus, the issue would start and end with me. this is MY life no one else's.
It doesn't happen all that often, but I agree with Ahnimus... If you truly believe that pro-lifers pass legislation is because they want to control women, they you have some issues.
I drove past a group of pro-life protesters driving last month... They had huge pictures of aborted fetuses (totally inappropriate for children to see that), and all but a few were women... I guess all those ladies were just uncle toms, trying to help men control women.
I don't believe that life starts at fertilization, but I understand that argument from the people who do... In their minds, the fetus is a life and aborting it is taking that life... it's not because they don't want a women to do something to her body...
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Yea, but we probably disagree on the actual abortion debate. I just disagree with the claim that the fate of an unborn child is a topic for women only.
Same old boring stuff from corporate whore the virgin and abstainer with an opinion about something he knows nothing about. :rolleyes:
Not to mention endless crap from fishboy.
Yup I'm bored of it.
Please fellas, when you're next having a medical procedure can you let me know. I need to come protest and call you names and give you shit. It's only fair. You deserve it.
Know this. If by chance some leftover from his ejaculation gets stuck in me, it's coming out, with the vacuum. If he wants to keep it and let it grow inside him so be it but be damned I'm being the incubator. And you'll not be stopping me.
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if it's alive, then it's a baby, right?
you can't kill anything that's not alive
not here. you can go years without paying. if you walk into the police station, they will put you in jail for a few days. then you're back out. for someone who wants people hung right after murder trials, you're prety soft on the deadbeats.
Sure. I'd support that. I think both sides need to be equally responsible.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
fucking move then...
hey yr right! right after an abortion, we should hang the women having them...damn, i am getting soft
and the deadbeats. and the doctors. hang all 3!
ok, that's cool.
well, no sense wastin good rope that's just hangin there!
for the record, the man is equally responsible..i thought i'd covered that
by definition it depends on what stage of growth it is at. up to the 8th week tis called an embryo.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
and i thought i'd covered the fact that if you're going to go to such lengths to hold the woman accountable, you need a way to keep the man accountable as well. i rarely see any mention of that from the pro-lifers... they seem to only focus on those whoring women killing babies.
that's fine, but did you look at the pics?
the embryo has hands and feet and is alive
well, not this one
yes i did look at the pics of the developing embryo and foetus. and i didnt see anything i hadn't seen before. i am well aware of what an embryo/foetus looks like and at what stage it gains its faculties. and yes i did see its developing hands and feet. and as you already know i don't deny it's alive.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
well?
I agree with every word of this.
my sister and brother-in-law are pro-life but they can at least put their love, time, energy and money where their mouths are. they were living quietly with their two biological teens and an exchange student. when they decided to take in four little sisters ranging in age from 2 to 8 years-old. after a couple of weeks they knew that they felt that they had to also take in their two older brothers, ages 10 and 12 from another foster home. that's right, SIX siblings that they couldn't stand seeing seperated. All of these kids have Fetal Alcohol Effects and one of them has full-blown Fetal Alcohol Syndrome. right now they're just fostering these kids but they are hoping if the kids get released for adoption that they'll be able to so.
I may not agree with them when it comes to the abortion issue. but i do have the utmost respect for for them because they are willing to back it up by taking care of unwanted kids that are ALREADY HERE. you won't find them out picketing abortion clinics and harrassing pregnant women (not that they ever did) because as you can imagine they're much too busy for that bullshit.
so to all of the pro-lifers that whine and bitch; if I hear another one proclaim that they can't do anything to help the already born kids in this country they better hold that hot air. cause all they deserve is a great big FUCK YOU because it most certainly can be done. so unless they're also willing to back up their words with actions they should just shut the fuck up
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so, are you opening your home (and wallet, and heart) to all of the unwanted, forced pregnancies?
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
then you support abortion at 8 1/2 months?
now why would Mr. Hot-Air want to do any such thing? after all he's so busy picketing abortion clinics and harrassing pregnant women, to give a fucking shit about unwanted kids that already exist.
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i picket them with a pitchfork, shithead...i poke the preg babes in the stomach with it...i spit on the unwanted in my hood.
perhaps a bite of my ass would calm you?
it's already been said:
in case you can't comprehend that's a great big FUCK YOU and stfu, until you do something back up your pro-life rhetoric
I don't care if i get banned
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maybe some yoga would help?
The real issue is men trying to own women? Give me a break! Are you that dense? I understand you've grown up in a feminist society that trashes the male gender any chance it gets, but come on. This is ridiculous! It's not about you, it's about the child. It is your life, but it's not just your life, it's also the life of a potentially viable human being, that is the point. I personally don't think any guy gives a shit what you do with your body, that's not the issue. Wake up!
nice to be on your side for a change
Yea, but we probably disagree on the actual abortion debate. I just disagree with the claim that the fate of an unborn child is a topic for women only.
Abortion is likewise, a debate about facts, not preferences.
You don't know what it's like to be a starving kid in Darfur, but you can sympathize and speak your political voice anyway!
You don't know what it's like to have a learning disability, but you can have an opinion on disability policies.
You don't know what it's like to have Lou Gerig's disease, but you can have an opinion on disability policies.
You don't know what it's like to be an Iraqi, but you can have an opinion on whether or not to blow them up.
etc... etc...
It doesn't happen all that often, but I agree with Ahnimus... If you truly believe that pro-lifers pass legislation is because they want to control women, they you have some issues.
I drove past a group of pro-life protesters driving last month... They had huge pictures of aborted fetuses (totally inappropriate for children to see that), and all but a few were women... I guess all those ladies were just uncle toms, trying to help men control women.
I don't believe that life starts at fertilization, but I understand that argument from the people who do... In their minds, the fetus is a life and aborting it is taking that life... it's not because they don't want a women to do something to her body...
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
awwwww, don't pee on my party man!
if it's just one thought, i'll take it!
Not to mention endless crap from fishboy.
Yup I'm bored of it.
Please fellas, when you're next having a medical procedure can you let me know. I need to come protest and call you names and give you shit. It's only fair. You deserve it.
Know this. If by chance some leftover from his ejaculation gets stuck in me, it's coming out, with the vacuum. If he wants to keep it and let it grow inside him so be it but be damned I'm being the incubator. And you'll not be stopping me.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
the other foot in the gutter
sweet smell that they adore
I think I'd rather smother
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