well, if it's all a woman's choice, they should have never gotten preggers in the 1st place. there are ways to prevent it you know.....
i think the real issue is murder
aah the age old argument of...what? i don't even know anymore. this is constantly thrown in our faces as women. well hey baby you don't want to fuck thats fine by us. keep your dicks away and there'll be no babies. btw one does not CHOOSE to get preggers in the first place. it is the result of an action. a result that does not always come about when one has sex. so getting preggers is not really a conscious choice. sure it's the likely outcome but far from a definitive conclusion. also, birth control is not foolproof. but seeings how only we women can become pregnant all you guys have no say in what we do with our bodies. so back the hell away.
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well, if it's all a woman's choice, they should have never gotten preggers in the 1st place. there are ways to prevent it you know.....
i think the real issue is murder
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seeming as you are such an authority on the matter of pregnancy preventation, could you please advise me on a method that is 100% guaranteed foolproof? apart from the obvious where you just don't do it.
aah the age old argument of...what? i don't even know anymore. this is constantly thrown in our faces as women. well hey baby you don't want to fuck thats fine by us. keep your dicks away and there'll be no babies. btw one does not CHOOSE to get preggers in the first place. it is the result of an action. a result that does not always come about when one has sex. so getting preggers is not really a conscious choice. sure it's the likely outcome but far from a definitive conclusion. also, birth control is not foolproof. but seeings how only we women can become pregnant all you guys have no say in what we do with our bodies. so back the hell away.
Since only babies can be born, women shouldn't be able to choose for them whether that happens.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
[Now, anti-abortion groups are strategizing ways to outlaw birth control and eliminate sex education.
Huh? Can somebody please elaborate on that for me?
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seeming as you are such an authority on the matter of pregnancy preventation, could you please advise me on a method that is 100% guaranteed foolproof? apart from the obvious where you just don't do it.
let's outlaw induced labour as well then, shall we? oh and don't forget elective caesarian sections. :rolleyes:
Sure - because those are the same things exactly.
It's pretty convenient how you can take the attitude that men have nothing to do with the pregnancy, and so are not allowed any say so, but then deny that there's another life involved who faces the most serious consequences of all and not let them have a say either.
(and yes, at the very instant the pregnancy begins it may not be a life, but at some point before it is born it definitely becomes one and there's no denying that)
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
It's pretty convenient how you can take the attitude that men have nothing to do with the pregnancy, and so are not allowed any say so, but then deny that there's another life involved who faces the most serious consequences of all and not let them have a say either.
(and yes, at the very instant the pregnancy begins it may not be a life, but at some point before it is born it definitely becomes one and there's no denying that)
i was pointing out, obviously too vaguely for some, that both induced labour(not all i must point out) and selective caesarian births take the choice of when to be born out of the baby's hands. and isn't that what was being said about abortion.
i do not take the attitude that men have nothing to do with pregnancy. tis an undeniable fact that they do. and sure men can have their say if the women decides to share witht hem the news oif the pregnancy. she can even take his feelings under advisement, if she so chooses. however NO ONE should be able to over rule the rights and choices of the mother. no woman should be forced to continue with a pregnancy or give birth to a child she doesn't want for whatever reason.
i have never denied the fact that from the moment of conception it is a life growing within the woman. just as i have never denied it is human(afterall what else could it be?). what i am denying is, others having the right to infringe on the sovereignty a woman has over her own body.
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i was pointing out, obviously too vaguely for some, that both induced labour(not all i must point out) and selective caesarian births take the choice of when to be born out of the baby's hands. and isn't that what was being said about abortion.
i do not take the attitude that men have nothing to do with pregnancy. tis an undeniable fact that they do. and sure men can have their say if the women decides to share witht hem the news oif the pregnancy. she can even take his feelings under advisement, if she so chooses. however NO ONE should be able to over rule the rights and choices of the mother. no woman should be forced to continue with a pregnancy or give birth to a child she doesn't want for whatever reason.
i have never denied the fact that from the moment of conception it is a life growing within the woman. just as i have never denied it is human(afterall what else could it be?). what i am denying is, others having the right to infringe on the sovereignty a woman has over her own body.
And I was replying - too vaguely for some - that I wasn't talking about WHEN to be born, but rather WHETHER to be born. They are different things.
It seems incredibly hypocritical to me to claim sovereignty over your own body and deny sovereignty to another body that you believe to be a human life.
It's also selfishly barbaric.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
aah the age old argument of...what? i don't even know anymore. this is constantly thrown in our faces as women. well hey baby you don't want to fuck thats fine by us. keep your dicks away and there'll be no babies. btw one does not CHOOSE to get preggers in the first place. it is the result of an action. a result that does not always come about when one has sex. so getting preggers is not really a conscious choice. sure it's the likely outcome but far from a definitive conclusion. also, birth control is not foolproof. but seeings how only we women can become pregnant all you guys have no say in what we do with our bodies. so back the hell away.
back the hell away?
just because you believe in murdering babies, don't get all bitchy
if i did,and it resulted in a baby, i would...it takes two to screw..
tell you what, you work on a system that GUARANTEES that women will never be left high and dry on their own by the father, that guarantees his income goes to support his child, that she will be assured of the necessary medical attention needed to give birth to and raise a child, and that fixes our adoption system so that babies offered for adoption are actually adopted and not shuttled around the foster care system in a way that costs adoptive parents thousands to get through the paperwork... you do all those things, and we'll talk about abortion again.
but until you all demonstrate that pro-life means supporting and protecting that life once it is born as vigorously as you do when it's in the womb, your stance is nothing but hot-winded hypocrisy to me and i will never see it as being about anything other than a bludgeon to control women's sex lives and the life thing is only a convenient rationalization.
tell you what, you work on a system that GUARANTEES that women will never be left high and dry on their own by the father, that guarantees his income goes to support his child, that she will be assured of the necessary medical attention needed to give birth to and raise a child, and that fixes our adoption system so that babies offered for adoption are actually adopted and not shuttled around the foster care system in a way that costs adoptive parents thousands to get through the paperwork, you do all those things, and we'll talk about abortion again.
but until you all demonstrate that pro-life means supporting and protecting that life once it is born as vigorously as you do when it's in the womb, your stance is nothing but hot-winded hypocrisy to me and i will never see it as being about life rather than about a bludgeon to control women's sex lives.
i thought as much. you don't give a flying fuck about what happens to those poor precious little babies, do you? it's all about making sure women know they will be punished for having too much sex.
i thought as much. you don't give a flying fuck about what happens to those poor precious little babies, do you? it's all about making sure women know they will be punished for having too much sex.
you don't know me, you don't know what the fuck i think about babies after they are born.
women having too much sex....hey, i'm all for it...there is RESPONSIBILITY involved..for any freaking choice you make.
tell you what, you work on a system that GUARANTEES that women will never be left high and dry on their own by the father, that guarantees his income goes to support his child, that she will be assured of the necessary medical attention needed to give birth to and raise a child, and that fixes our adoption system so that babies offered for adoption are actually adopted and not shuttled around the foster care system in a way that costs adoptive parents thousands to get through the paperwork... you do all those things, and we'll talk about abortion again.
The system is there. It's called not having sex unless you're ready to support a child.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
that looks like quite an interesting movie. i look forward to seeing it.
yes, there is responsibility involved. but until you find a way to ensure that BOTH parties to a pregnancy are forced to fulfill their responsibilities, it is bullshit to let men off the hook and nail women for it. if men suffer no penalty for passing on the responsibility, neither should women.
The system is there. It's called not having sex unless you're ready to support a child.
you advocate a life sentence for men who have sex then too? prison until the child turns 18 if they are not willing to support the child? with mothers of such imprisoned men getting state "spouse benefits" for the child's health care?
tell you what, you work on a system that GUARANTEES that women will never be left high and dry on their own by the father, that guarantees his income goes to support his child, that she will be assured of the necessary medical attention needed to give birth to and raise a child, and that fixes our adoption system so that babies offered for adoption are actually adopted and not shuttled around the foster care system in a way that costs adoptive parents thousands to get through the paperwork... you do all those things, and we'll talk about abortion again.
but until you all demonstrate that pro-life means supporting and protecting that life once it is born as vigorously as you do when it's in the womb, your stance is nothing but hot-winded hypocrisy to me and i will never see it as being about anything other than a bludgeon to control women's sex lives and the life thing is only a convenient rationalization.
hey all that money spent on killing them, might be spent on the system to raise them..we'll never know as long as we keep yanking em outta there
you advocate a life sentence for men who have sex then too? prison until the child turns 18 if they are not willing to support the child? with mothers of such imprisoned men getting state "spouse benefits" for the child's health care?
i don't know where you live, but around here, if you don't pay, you go to jail...once again, there is a choice involved
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aah the age old argument of...what? i don't even know anymore. this is constantly thrown in our faces as women. well hey baby you don't want to fuck thats fine by us. keep your dicks away and there'll be no babies. btw one does not CHOOSE to get preggers in the first place. it is the result of an action. a result that does not always come about when one has sex. so getting preggers is not really a conscious choice. sure it's the likely outcome but far from a definitive conclusion. also, birth control is not foolproof. but seeings how only we women can become pregnant all you guys have no say in what we do with our bodies. so back the hell away.
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aren't you just a little ray of sunshine...
seeming as you are such an authority on the matter of pregnancy preventation, could you please advise me on a method that is 100% guaranteed foolproof? apart from the obvious where you just don't do it.
Since only babies can be born, women shouldn't be able to choose for them whether that happens.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
let's outlaw induced labour as well then, shall we? oh and don't forget elective caesarian sections. :rolleyes:
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Huh? Can somebody please elaborate on that for me?
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yes i am...
and what's wrong with just not doing it?
you are responsible for what you do......
Sure - because those are the same things exactly.
It's pretty convenient how you can take the attitude that men have nothing to do with the pregnancy, and so are not allowed any say so, but then deny that there's another life involved who faces the most serious consequences of all and not let them have a say either.
(and yes, at the very instant the pregnancy begins it may not be a life, but at some point before it is born it definitely becomes one and there's no denying that)
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
cause we just don't want to not do it.
and taking responsibility for one's actions means what exactly?
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i was pointing out, obviously too vaguely for some, that both induced labour(not all i must point out) and selective caesarian births take the choice of when to be born out of the baby's hands. and isn't that what was being said about abortion.
i do not take the attitude that men have nothing to do with pregnancy. tis an undeniable fact that they do. and sure men can have their say if the women decides to share witht hem the news oif the pregnancy. she can even take his feelings under advisement, if she so chooses. however NO ONE should be able to over rule the rights and choices of the mother. no woman should be forced to continue with a pregnancy or give birth to a child she doesn't want for whatever reason.
i have never denied the fact that from the moment of conception it is a life growing within the woman. just as i have never denied it is human(afterall what else could it be?). what i am denying is, others having the right to infringe on the sovereignty a woman has over her own body.
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oh don't get all huffy. this is an abortion debate. this has nothing to do with you and your kind!
ooooh, i'd like to see this too!
And I was replying - too vaguely for some - that I wasn't talking about WHEN to be born, but rather WHETHER to be born. They are different things.
It seems incredibly hypocritical to me to claim sovereignty over your own body and deny sovereignty to another body that you believe to be a human life.
It's also selfishly barbaric.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
if you decide to screw somebody and get pregnant...it's on you...
back the hell away?
just because you believe in murdering babies, don't get all bitchy
yes. it is 'on me'. and therefore i will make the decision that is best for me in my situation.
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of course, it's not on you to exercise restraint in fucking her, let alone to pony up for the child support.
you think that's me getting all bitchy? that is me just stating my position succinctly.
and i don't 'believe' in murdering babies. an embryo is not a baby. it only has the potential to become one.
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if i did,and it resulted in a baby, i would...it takes two to screw..
pics at 7 weeks........it's not a baby....it's not alive, let's rip 'er out
tell you what, you work on a system that GUARANTEES that women will never be left high and dry on their own by the father, that guarantees his income goes to support his child, that she will be assured of the necessary medical attention needed to give birth to and raise a child, and that fixes our adoption system so that babies offered for adoption are actually adopted and not shuttled around the foster care system in a way that costs adoptive parents thousands to get through the paperwork... you do all those things, and we'll talk about abortion again.
but until you all demonstrate that pro-life means supporting and protecting that life once it is born as vigorously as you do when it's in the womb, your stance is nothing but hot-winded hypocrisy to me and i will never see it as being about anything other than a bludgeon to control women's sex lives and the life thing is only a convenient rationalization.
what a bunch of shit....
i thought as much. you don't give a flying fuck about what happens to those poor precious little babies, do you? it's all about making sure women know they will be punished for having too much sex.
you don't know me, you don't know what the fuck i think about babies after they are born.
women having too much sex....hey, i'm all for it...there is RESPONSIBILITY involved..for any freaking choice you make.
edit - i think yr comment is full of shit
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=071011133309.vhjahw6y&show_article=1
timely
The system is there. It's called not having sex unless you're ready to support a child.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
that looks like quite an interesting movie. i look forward to seeing it.
yes, there is responsibility involved. but until you find a way to ensure that BOTH parties to a pregnancy are forced to fulfill their responsibilities, it is bullshit to let men off the hook and nail women for it. if men suffer no penalty for passing on the responsibility, neither should women.
you advocate a life sentence for men who have sex then too? prison until the child turns 18 if they are not willing to support the child? with mothers of such imprisoned men getting state "spouse benefits" for the child's health care?
hey all that money spent on killing them, might be spent on the system to raise them..we'll never know as long as we keep yanking em outta there
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i never said it wasn't alive.
http://www.visembryo.com/baby/21.html
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who spends money on killing them? abortions are privately funded.
i don't know where you live, but around here, if you don't pay, you go to jail...once again, there is a choice involved