The War on Women: Abortion and the South

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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    810wmb wrote:
    well, if it's all a woman's choice, they should have never gotten preggers in the 1st place. there are ways to prevent it you know.....

    i think the real issue is murder

    aah the age old argument of...what? i don't even know anymore. this is constantly thrown in our faces as women. well hey baby you don't want to fuck thats fine by us. keep your dicks away and there'll be no babies. btw one does not CHOOSE to get preggers in the first place. it is the result of an action. a result that does not always come about when one has sex. so getting preggers is not really a conscious choice. sure it's the likely outcome but far from a definitive conclusion. also, birth control is not foolproof. but seeings how only we women can become pregnant all you guys have no say in what we do with our bodies. so back the hell away.
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  • Anon
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    810wmb wrote:
    well, if it's all a woman's choice, they should have never gotten preggers in the 1st place. there are ways to prevent it you know.....

    i think the real issue is murder

    aren't you just a little ray of sunshine...

    seeming as you are such an authority on the matter of pregnancy preventation, could you please advise me on a method that is 100% guaranteed foolproof? apart from the obvious where you just don't do it.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    catefrances wrote:
    aah the age old argument of...what? i don't even know anymore. this is constantly thrown in our faces as women. well hey baby you don't want to fuck thats fine by us. keep your dicks away and there'll be no babies. btw one does not CHOOSE to get preggers in the first place. it is the result of an action. a result that does not always come about when one has sex. so getting preggers is not really a conscious choice. sure it's the likely outcome but far from a definitive conclusion. also, birth control is not foolproof. but seeings how only we women can become pregnant all you guys have no say in what we do with our bodies. so back the hell away.

    Since only babies can be born, women shouldn't be able to choose for them whether that happens.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    know1 wrote:
    Since only babies can be born, women shouldn't be able to choose for them whether that happens.


    let's outlaw induced labour as well then, shall we? oh and don't forget elective caesarian sections. :rolleyes:
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  • Scubascott
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    sweetpotato wrote:
    [Now, anti-abortion groups are strategizing ways to outlaw birth control and eliminate sex education.

    Huh? Can somebody please elaborate on that for me?
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  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    Pj_Gurl wrote:
    aren't you just a little ray of sunshine...

    seeming as you are such an authority on the matter of pregnancy preventation, could you please advise me on a method that is 100% guaranteed foolproof? apart from the obvious where you just don't do it.

    yes i am...

    and what's wrong with just not doing it?

    you are responsible for what you do......
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    catefrances wrote:
    let's outlaw induced labour as well then, shall we? oh and don't forget elective caesarian sections. :rolleyes:

    Sure - because those are the same things exactly.

    It's pretty convenient how you can take the attitude that men have nothing to do with the pregnancy, and so are not allowed any say so, but then deny that there's another life involved who faces the most serious consequences of all and not let them have a say either.

    (and yes, at the very instant the pregnancy begins it may not be a life, but at some point before it is born it definitely becomes one and there's no denying that)
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    810wmb wrote:
    yes i am...

    and what's wrong with just not doing it?

    you are responsible for what you do......

    cause we just don't want to not do it.

    and taking responsibility for one's actions means what exactly?
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    know1 wrote:
    Sure - because those are the same things exactly.

    It's pretty convenient how you can take the attitude that men have nothing to do with the pregnancy, and so are not allowed any say so, but then deny that there's another life involved who faces the most serious consequences of all and not let them have a say either.

    (and yes, at the very instant the pregnancy begins it may not be a life, but at some point before it is born it definitely becomes one and there's no denying that)

    i was pointing out, obviously too vaguely for some, that both induced labour(not all i must point out) and selective caesarian births take the choice of when to be born out of the baby's hands. and isn't that what was being said about abortion.


    i do not take the attitude that men have nothing to do with pregnancy. tis an undeniable fact that they do. and sure men can have their say if the women decides to share witht hem the news oif the pregnancy. she can even take his feelings under advisement, if she so chooses. however NO ONE should be able to over rule the rights and choices of the mother. no woman should be forced to continue with a pregnancy or give birth to a child she doesn't want for whatever reason.

    i have never denied the fact that from the moment of conception it is a life growing within the woman. just as i have never denied it is human(afterall what else could it be?). what i am denying is, others having the right to infringe on the sovereignty a woman has over her own body.
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Jeanie wrote:
    Guess I'll leave you boys to bicker amongst yourselves as usual. :rolleyes:

    YAWN! YAWN!! YAWN!!!

    I'm so tired of this crap. It's really, really boring!

    oh don't get all huffy. this is an abortion debate. this has nothing to do with you and your kind!
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Jeanie wrote:
    I'd like to see WOMEN bail up out the front of church groups that insist of picketing clinics and harrass and harangue them on their way to worship.

    ooooh, i'd like to see this too!
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    catefrances wrote:
    i was pointing out, obviously too vaguely for some, that both induced labour(not all i must point out) and selective caesarian births take the choice of when to be born out of the baby's hands. and isn't that what was being said about abortion.


    i do not take the attitude that men have nothing to do with pregnancy. tis an undeniable fact that they do. and sure men can have their say if the women decides to share witht hem the news oif the pregnancy. she can even take his feelings under advisement, if she so chooses. however NO ONE should be able to over rule the rights and choices of the mother. no woman should be forced to continue with a pregnancy or give birth to a child she doesn't want for whatever reason.

    i have never denied the fact that from the moment of conception it is a life growing within the woman. just as i have never denied it is human(afterall what else could it be?). what i am denying is, others having the right to infringe on the sovereignty a woman has over her own body.


    And I was replying - too vaguely for some - that I wasn't talking about WHEN to be born, but rather WHETHER to be born. They are different things.

    It seems incredibly hypocritical to me to claim sovereignty over your own body and deny sovereignty to another body that you believe to be a human life.

    It's also selfishly barbaric.
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  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    catefrances wrote:
    cause we just don't want to not do it.

    and taking responsibility for one's actions means what exactly?

    if you decide to screw somebody and get pregnant...it's on you...
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    catefrances wrote:
    aah the age old argument of...what? i don't even know anymore. this is constantly thrown in our faces as women. well hey baby you don't want to fuck thats fine by us. keep your dicks away and there'll be no babies. btw one does not CHOOSE to get preggers in the first place. it is the result of an action. a result that does not always come about when one has sex. so getting preggers is not really a conscious choice. sure it's the likely outcome but far from a definitive conclusion. also, birth control is not foolproof. but seeings how only we women can become pregnant all you guys have no say in what we do with our bodies. so back the hell away.

    back the hell away?

    just because you believe in murdering babies, don't get all bitchy
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    810wmb wrote:
    if you decide to screw somebody and get pregnant...it's on you...

    yes. it is 'on me'. and therefore i will make the decision that is best for me in my situation.
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    810wmb wrote:
    if you decide to screw somebody and get pregnant...it's on you...

    of course, it's not on you to exercise restraint in fucking her, let alone to pony up for the child support.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    810wmb wrote:
    back the hell away?

    just because you believe in murdering babies, don't get all bitchy

    you think that's me getting all bitchy? that is me just stating my position succinctly.

    and i don't 'believe' in murdering babies. an embryo is not a baby. it only has the potential to become one.
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  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    soulsinging wrote:
    of course, it's not on you to exercise restraint in fucking her, let alone to pony up for the child support.

    if i did,and it resulted in a baby, i would...it takes two to screw..
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    http://www.priestsforlife.org/resources/abortionimages/fetaldevelopment.htm

    pics at 7 weeks........it's not a baby....it's not alive, let's rip 'er out
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    810wmb wrote:
    if i did,and it resulted in a baby, i would...it takes two to screw..

    tell you what, you work on a system that GUARANTEES that women will never be left high and dry on their own by the father, that guarantees his income goes to support his child, that she will be assured of the necessary medical attention needed to give birth to and raise a child, and that fixes our adoption system so that babies offered for adoption are actually adopted and not shuttled around the foster care system in a way that costs adoptive parents thousands to get through the paperwork... you do all those things, and we'll talk about abortion again.

    but until you all demonstrate that pro-life means supporting and protecting that life once it is born as vigorously as you do when it's in the womb, your stance is nothing but hot-winded hypocrisy to me and i will never see it as being about anything other than a bludgeon to control women's sex lives and the life thing is only a convenient rationalization.

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