Ed on religion

Crazy Breed wrote:

oh so now we are stupid? don't think "turn the other cheek" means to let assholes say and do as they please.watch what you say before it comes back to bite you on your ass.

Karma = what you reap is what you sow.

I didn't say you were stupid.

And I think that's exactly what "turn the other cheek" means.

jwillmo wrote:

Congratulations, the discussion has officially hit its nadir. Seriously, pointing out spelling on a message board?

But I'm sure it's comforting to know that you talking about an eyeball is going to lead to someone curing cancer. A pre-emptive congratulations on that one, as well.

You've underscored a fundamental problem with believers. They take stuff too literally.

I only mentioned the spelling because I'm tired of seeing hubris as "hybris" or atheist as "aetheist." I personally don't care if you can or can't spell, i just thought it was ironic that the worst spelling was coming from the same people who embrace creationism and denounce evolution.

Tying all this to Ed, to keep some of you happy, don't you think he believes in Evolution? I don't see him visiting the creationist museum and agreeing that man walked with dinosaurs.

brainofme wrote:

if you're talking to me:
for me it just doesn't make sense because it's always this "i'm right - no, i'm right" thing. nobody knows the truth in this case, so in my opinion nobody is right. i personally like discussions about interesting topics, and this certainly is (although we went far off from the original topic), but discussions like this always tend to become side a vs. side b.
and as i have posted earlier, that's what causes wars, and that's why religion is a difficult topic. it's just that people always want to think that they are on the right and others are one the wrong side. we all should just be a little bit more open about different ideas.

enough said...

it is not about being right or wrong. it is about finding a standpoint, strenghten or redefining ones attitude. Cuz it is not hammered in stone, and i am open. So people who dont like to discuss, go and screw your girl!

EvilRabbit wrote:

You've underscored a fundamental problem with believers. They take stuff too literally.

I only mentioned the spelling because I'm tired of seeing hubris as "hybris" or atheist as "aetheist." I personally don't care if you can or can't spell, i just thought it was ironic that the worst spelling was coming from the same people who embrace creationism and denounce evolution.

Tying all this to Ed, to keep some of you happy, don't you think he believes in Evolution? I don't see him visiting the creationist museum and agreeing that man walked with dinosaurs.

First off, I think it's funny that just because I disagree with your tactics or arguing skills that I must be a "believer."

Second, if you think believers aren't that bright and you're somehow more enlightened, wouldn't it be the opposite of ironic if they can't spell? Wouldn't this be exactly what you would expect?

So if you're tired of seeing "aetheist" then I'm tired of the misunderstanding of the word ironic.

Crazy Breed wrote:

ah,i see your knowledge of history is just as non-existent as your knowledge of God.


when you reach the end of your life and you are staring death in the face,that's when you will find God.happens to a lot of atheists.

it's funny how you claim religion is to blame for war yet it's the asshole atheist who is bashing my faith and inciting hostility through your total dis-respect.so much for open mindedness or "live and let live".i say you are free to believe as you wish.you say I'm stupid for believing as i do.so who is the one in the wrong?

Listen, I'd be happy for you to believe whatever you want in the privacy of your own home. I really would. But religion seeps into everything, worldwide. It's why AIDs is so rampant in Africa, why stem-cell research is handcuffed in this country, why the Twin Towers are gone, why homosexuals are victims of hate crime, why Bush got into office, etc. etc.

My beliefs don't affect you. They are upsetting to you but they aren't affecting your world and how it is run. But if I'm truly free, let me conduct stem-cell research and let my gay friend do what he wants. Butt out (no pun intended).

And not once have I called you an "asshole." That's you, the Christian, using the term to describe me and a few others on here.

jwillmo wrote:

First off, I think it's funny that just because I disagree with your tactics or arguing skills that I must be a "believer."

Second, if you think believers aren't that bright and you're somehow more enlightened, wouldn't it be the opposite of ironic if they can't spell? Wouldn't this be exactly what you would expect?

So if you're tired of seeing "aetheist" then I'm tired of the misunderstanding of the word ironic.

The irony stems from their own claim of personal enlightenment and intellect... then they misspell the same word consistently.

Okay, so you're not a believer. My apologies.

EvilRabbit wrote:

Listen, I'd be happy for you to believe whatever you want in the privacy of your own home. I really would. But religion seeps into everything, worldwide. It's why AIDs is so rampant in Africa, why stem-cell research is handcuffed in this country, why the Twin Towers are gone, why homosexuals are victims of hate crime, why Bush got into office, etc. etc.

My beliefs don't affect you. They are upsetting to you but they aren't affecting your world and how it is run. But if I'm truly free, let me conduct stem-cell research and let my gay friend do what he wants. Butt out (no pun intended).

And not once have I called you an "asshole." That's you, the Christian, using the term to describe me and a few others on here.

you are right about the fact that religion "seeps into everything, worldwide" and that that causes huge problems. that's my biggest problem with religion as a whole.
but do you really think that every person who belives in some sort of god takes all that's said in the bible or koran or whatever literally? do you really think that all "believers" are against homosexuals, against contraceptives etc. and believe that human race grew out of adam and eve?

imissyoualready wrote:

Drew263, you're alright. This discussion would be better had before or after a pearl jam show. i'm going to msg. should we happen to bump into one another, i'll buy you a beer...hey...here's another Ben Franklin quote, "Beer is proof that there is a god and he wants us to be happy."

Unfortunately, I can't make MSG..I will be at Columbia though and if somehow you happen to be there or another stop that I make in the future....first round is on me.

P.S. That is my favorite quote from our founding fathers!

EvilRabbit wrote:

The irony stems from their own claim of personal enlightenment and intellect... then they misspell the same word consistently.

Okay, so you're not a believer. My apologies.

To tell you the truth, I don't even know anymore what you mean by "believer"
and "non-believer". You keep shifting from arguing against the existence of any god at all to Fundamentalist Christianity (all the shit about stem cells and evolution). I really can't keep up. I definitely believe in God, but I also believe in evolution, that gays should be left the fuck alone, etc. I've just been having a go at you because you seem to be more keen on the personal attacks than the other side. That's what I can't stand, and then when I defend the people you disagree with, you just assume I must believe exactly as they do.

Full disclosure: I really don't care near as much about all this as I let on. It's actually just really fucking boring at work today.

brainofme wrote:

you are right about the fact that religion "seeps into everything, worldwide" and that that causes huge problems. that's my biggest problem with religion as a whole.
but do you really think that every person who belives in some sort of god takes all that's said in the bible or koran or whatever literally? do you really think that all "believers" are against homosexuals, against contraceptives etc. and believe that human race grew out of adam and eve?

Of course not. But I believe the world would be a better place if we put religion behind us. Sane people no longer believe in alchemy and astrology and I feel religion should be buried in the grave right next to them.

Name one good thing brought about by religion? If you say charity or morality, for example, I will argue those things can exist without religion. Atheists can be good people. Any wrong-doing performed by an atheist is not done out of his/her atheism. You can't say the same about religion. Religion makes otherwise good people do atrocious things.