Was christianity a hoax?

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  • kenny olav
    kenny olav Posts: 3,319
    Collin wrote:
    I think the question is how good would he have been if he had a Fender or a Gibson?

    well, if he's the son of God, or one-third of God, or whatever, he could easily have created one. the very fact that he didn't even think to create one, and then use his divine powers to rock the entire universe into a state of perfect harmony, totally disqualifies him as a true God in my book. :D
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    so where was jesus and what was he doing between when his family got back from exile and him meeting john?
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Someone said something here about noone standing up against Jesus from that era. But, Judaism has always done so. Similarily Christianity has always stood against Judaism.

    Between, Judaism, Islam and Christianity, there are many disputes.

    The Old Testament is the only thing that is agreed on, and it was passed down verbally through like 100 generations. The story would be so distorted there probably isn't a shred of truth in it.

    With the New Testament, Christ claims the Pharisees are hipocrites, while the Pharisees claim Christ is a blasphemer. There is no consistency.

    Ok, what about the story of Abraham, who went along and smashed everyone's idols. Excuse me? If some dude barged into my home and smashed my statue I'd been working on, I'd kick his ass. I certainly wouldn't accept his version of the truth.
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  • the face
    the face Posts: 192
    catefrances wrote:
    so where was jesus and what was he doing between when his family got back from exile and him meeting john?

    Look I understand that many people don't really look at the underpinnings of the religions that were forced down there throats at birth. They are taught not to question and just have faith right? All I am saying is ask some questions and seek some answers. You continually get defensive about the Jesus dude but the question was to ask for the historical record. So where is it? And please don't say the bible. The new testament was compiled a full 3 centuries after Jesus's presumed death. That leaves a little bit of room for error don't you think?
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Someone said something here about noone standing up against Jesus from that era. But, Judaism has always done so. Similarily Christianity has always stood against Judaism.

    Between, Judaism, Islam and Christianity, there are many disputes.

    The Old Testament is the only thing that is agreed on, and it was passed down verbally through like 100 generations. The story would be so distorted there probably isn't a shred of truth in it.

    With the New Testament, Christ claims the Pharisees are hipocrites, while the Pharisees claim Christ is a blasphemer. There is no consistency.

    Ok, what about the story of Abraham, who went along and smashed everyone's idols. Excuse me? If some dude barged into my home and smashed my statue I'd been working on, I'd kick his ass. I certainly wouldn't accept his version of the truth.


    if you called me a hypocrite i would probably call you a blasphemer as well.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    catefrances wrote:
    if you called me a hypocrite i would probably call you a blasphemer as well.

    Point is, back then everyone was claiming to be special. Everyone said they had the word of God.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_prophet

    The Pharisees had the benefit of being at Sinai, which gave them an edge in convincing the Jews. Jesus had quick hands and decent tricks to fool people into him being the Son of God.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Ooh, here is a handy dandy list of people that claimed to be the Messiah

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_messiah
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  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Someone said something here about noone standing up against Jesus from that era. But, Judaism has always done so. Similarily Christianity has always stood against Judaism.

    Between, Judaism, Islam and Christianity, there are many disputes.

    The Old Testament is the only thing that is agreed on, and it was passed down verbally through like 100 generations. The story would be so distorted there probably isn't a shred of truth in it.

    With the New Testament, Christ claims the Pharisees are hipocrites, while the Pharisees claim Christ is a blasphemer. There is no consistency.

    Ok, what about the story of Abraham, who went along and smashed everyone's idols. Excuse me? If some dude barged into my home and smashed my statue I'd been working on, I'd kick his ass. I certainly wouldn't accept his version of the truth.

    The point is that the pharisees denied Jesus' deity, yes. What they didn't do is deny his existence. Their rebuttal of his deity, serves as corroboration of his existence.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Point is, back then everyone was claiming to be special. Everyone said they had the word of God.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_prophet

    The Pharisees had the benefit of being at Sinai, which gave them an edge in convincing the Jews. Jesus had quick hands and decent tricks to fool people into him being the Son of God.

    so it's quite possible that jesus was delusional?


    point is ahnimus, the bible was written by men. it is they who are telling us what went on and what was said. things were left out and other things were embellished. they could've had jesus flying. but who would have believed that?
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  • the face
    the face Posts: 192
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Someone said something here about noone standing up against Jesus from that era. But, Judaism has always done so. Similarily Christianity has always stood against Judaism.

    Between, Judaism, Islam and Christianity, there are many disputes.

    The Old Testament is the only thing that is agreed on, and it was passed down verbally through like 100 generations. The story would be so distorted there probably isn't a shred of truth in it.

    With the New Testament, Christ claims the Pharisees are hipocrites, while the Pharisees claim Christ is a blasphemer. There is no consistency.

    Ok, what about the story of Abraham, who went along and smashed everyone's idols. Excuse me? If some dude barged into my home and smashed my statue I'd been working on, I'd kick his ass. I certainly wouldn't accept his version of the truth.

    Do you ever miss a chance to take chance at jews or judaism? So first it was the Jews controlling the money thing. Now it's the implicit jews killed jesus thing...But no...No anti semitism in you...The Jews did not "stand up" against Jesus. I am not even sure that's a cogent thought. This post was not even about jews and yet somehow you find a way to bring it in anyways. De-Nile ain't just a river in Egypt as they say,,,,
  • the face
    the face Posts: 192
    catefrances wrote:
    if you called me a hypocrite i would probably call you a blasphemer as well.

    Don't worry he is not talking about you. It's one of many of his attempts at attacking anything jewish.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    catefrances wrote:
    so it's quite possible that jesus was delusional?
    point is ahnimus, the bible was written by men. it is they who are telling
    us what went on and what was said. things were left out and other things were embellished. they could've had jesus flying. but who would have believed that?

    I'm sure a lot of people would believe that.

    Have you ever read about ancient Sumer and their beliefs? What about Hindu religion. There are wild fantasies all across the globe.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    the face wrote:
    Do you ever miss a chance to take chance at jews or judaism? So first it was the Jews controlling the money thing. Now it's the implicit jews killed jesus thing...But no...No anti semitism in you...The Jews did not "stand up" against Jesus. I am not even sure that's a cogent thought. This post was not even about jews and yet somehow you find a way to bring it in anyways. De-Nile ain't just a river in Egypt as they say,,,,

    WTF?

    Reading the crap you say is like nails on a chalkboard man.
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  • the face
    the face Posts: 192
    cornnifer wrote:
    The point is that the pharisees denied Jesus' deity, yes. What they didn't do is deny his existence. Their rebuttal of his deity, serves as corroboration of his existence.

    I presume you get this history from the new testament? Do you have any other source besides the Christian Bible? Let me ask you this, what part of the New Testament did Jesus actually write???? I asked for independent evidence, not biblical regurgtation......Got any of that?
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    the face wrote:
    Don't worry he is not talking about you. It's one of many of his attempts at attacking anything jewish.

    Dude, Fucking stop slandering me.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    the face wrote:
    Don't worry he is not talking about you. It's one of many of his attempts at attacking anything jewish.

    how do you know my family isn't jewish?

    besides i know he wasn't talking about me.
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  • the face
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    Ahnimus wrote:
    WTF?

    Reading the crap you say is like nails on a chalkboard man.

    I know. Its painful to hear the truth. I empathize.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    the face wrote:
    I know. Its painful to hear the truth. I empathize.

    Grow up
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  • the face
    the face Posts: 192
    catefrances wrote:
    how do you know my family isn't jewish?

    besides i know he wasn't talking about me.

    I had nothing to say about you or your family...In fact I have not responded to you at all other than to say this guy does not miss a chance to bash. Dont take it personally.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I'm sure a lot of people would believe that.

    Have you ever read about ancient Sumer and their beliefs? What about Hindu religion. There are wild fantasies all across the globe.

    you mean the 'fact' that gilgamesh was 2/3 god and 1/3 man. or that the annunaki are depicted as bird headed or as reptilian warriors. or perhaps that erishkagel was carried off to the netherworld and that enki's boat was swamped when he went to maybe/ maybe not rescue her.
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