I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Please provide one piece of evidence which supports the historical Jesus. This topic has already been discussed on the board and nobody could provide a single shred of evidence to support the view that Jesus existed when he is said to have done. Why is this nonsense continuing?
Look, i'm not going to waste my time debating with YOU something that has already been put to bet by every credible, credentialed historian alive. NO ONE credible argues the existence of the historical Jesus anymore! His divinity is perhaps debateable. His existence just isn't.
Some people really need tostay off the internet.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
Look, i'm not going to waste my time debating with YOU something that has already been put to bet by every credible, credentialed historian alive. NO ONE credible argues the existence of the historical Jesus anymore! His divinity is perhaps debateable. His existence just isn't.
Some people really need tostay off the internet.
That argument does not hold up to historical muster....i think Jesus, if that was even his name, existed in some form. i just dont think he was what the new testament says he was
Look, i'm not going to waste my time debating with YOU something that has already been put to bet by every credible, credentialed historian alive. NO ONE credible argues the existence of the historical Jesus anymore! His divinity is perhaps debateable. His existence just isn't.
Some people really need tostay off the internet.
If it's so obvious and backed up by 'every credible, credentialed historian alive' then it won't be at all difficult for you to provide at least one piece of evidence.
Go ahead...
#2 12-22-2006, 05:18 AM
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again...
Thank you for your brilliant ability in cutting and pasting another man's words. Quite original. See, you can make a point by just seeking the answers yourself. You don't have to steal someone else's words....
Do you believe in morals or integrity or anything like that..
because those are beliefs - There is no scientific basis..
Those are similarly hoaxes... Not nice to call what people belive in a hoax... we all have beliefs -
Nice? Are you kidding me?
What's nice about religious kooks who insist that anyone who doesn't believe as they do and in what they believe in; that they are going to burn in hell?
It's not NICE to repeatidly knock on my front door and ring my bell, at 7:00 AM on a Saturday morining; to "enlighten " me about "your" god.
What's not NICE is religious organizations who refuse to pay taxes, but spend their money on lobbyists in Washington, lobbying and influencing Congress to create Laws and policies that reflect their religious beliefs.
If the religious people can't handle an opinion and belief that differs from theirs, then they need to shut the fuck up about their opinions and beliefs!
If it's so obvious and backed up by 'every credible, credentialed historian alive' then it won't be at all difficult for you to provide at least one piece of evidence.
Go ahead...
As the old adage goes: Put up, or shut up!
Historical evidence is not scientific evidence, it's based on interpretation :
2 historians can disagree on one fact. make up your opinion
Though I don't really see the point on arguing the historical existence of jesus.
What's nice about religious kooks who insist that anyone who doesn't believe as they do and in what they believe in; that they are going to burn in hell?
It's not NICE to repeatidly knock on my front door and ring my bell, at 7:00 AM on a Saturday morining; to "enlighten " me about "your" god.
What's not NICE is religious organizations who refuse to pay taxes, but spend their money on lobbyists in Washington, lobbying and influencing Congress to create Laws and policies that reflect their religious beliefs.
You act like jesus was so criminal or something. People trying to turn you on to a peaceful way of life...how dare they!
even if Jesus did walk on water and all that shit, he never played guitar like J Mascis or Mr. Mike McCready, so really how good could he be?
i'm being quite serious.
I saw Dinosaur J.R in London last week. They still have more hair on their proverbial balls than a woolly mammoth with Chewbacca swinging from it's dick!
You act like jesus was so criminal or something. People trying to turn you on to a peaceful way of life...how dare they!
Further more, this coming from a guy has often expressed and celebrated a desire to see Israel bomb the crap out of their Palestinian neighbors or any Muslims in general. Is that the peaceful way of life you speak of?
You act like jesus was so criminal or something. People trying to turn you on to a peaceful way of life...how dare they!
Sorry, but you don't have to believe in Jesus to have a peaceful way of life.
Gandhi comes to mind.
There is someone at my work, and evangelical christian, that believes the only path to heaven is through Jesus. The ONLY path. So, no matter how good, peaceful, moral, good-doer you are, if you don't accept Jesus as your "personal lord and savior", you are not saved.
I have a problem with that. And I have a problem with a religion that preaches that no matter how good I am, I'm still going to hell because I didn't accept Jesus.
Sorry, but you don't have to believe in Jesus to have a peaceful way of life.
Gandhi comes to mind.
There is someone at my work, and evangelical christian, that believes the only path to heaven is through Jesus. The ONLY path. So, no matter how good, peaceful, moral, good-doer you are, if you don't accept Jesus as your "personal lord and savior", you are not saved.
I have a problem with that. And I have a problem with a religion that preaches that no matter how good I am, I'm still going to hell because I didn't accept Jesus.
Sorry, but you don't have to believe in Jesus to have a peaceful way of life.
Gandhi comes to mind.
There is someone at my work, and evangelical christian, that believes the only path to heaven is through Jesus. The ONLY path. So, no matter how good, peaceful, moral, good-doer you are, if you don't accept Jesus as your "personal lord and savior", you are not saved.
I have a problem with that. And I have a problem with a religion that preaches that no matter how good I am, I'm still going to hell because I didn't accept Jesus.
Sorry, but you don't have to believe in Jesus to have a peaceful way of life.
Gandhi comes to mind.
There is someone at my work, and evangelical christian, that believes the only path to heaven is through Jesus. The ONLY path. So, no matter how good, peaceful, moral, good-doer you are, if you don't accept Jesus as your "personal lord and savior", you are not saved.
I have a problem with that. And I have a problem with a religion that preaches that no matter how good I am, I'm still going to hell because I didn't accept Jesus.
But believeing in jesus is a good step toward a more peaceful life. Most christians are the nicest people ive met.
But believeing in jesus is a good step toward a more peaceful life. Most christians are the nicest people ive met.
I've got to hand it to you, you've got a point, here. Many people I know, they dislike the views, opinions and judgments of Christians. And yet, at the end of the day, most Christians that I know, in terms of their behaviour DO act in a reasonably solid, decent manner, quite consistently. They ARE nice!
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I've got to hand it to you, you've got a point, here. Many people I know, they dislike the views, opinions and judgments of Christians. And yet, at the end of the day, most Christians that I know, in terms of their behaviour DO act in a reasonably solid, decent manner, quite consistently. They ARE nice!
Most are nice, some are not, and some are completely crazy .... just like any other group of people.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
I've got to hand it to you, you've got a point, here. Many people I know, they dislike the views, opinions and judgments of Christians. And yet, at the end of the day, most Christians that I know, in terms of their behaviour DO act in a reasonably solid, decent manner, quite consistently. They ARE nice!
I've got to hand it to you, you've got a point, here. Many people I know, they dislike the views, opinions and judgments of Christians. And yet, at the end of the day, most Christians that I know, in terms of their behaviour DO act in a reasonably solid, decent manner, quite consistently. They ARE nice!
Too bad he and others make a point about this and can't see that in the Muslims they put down daily.
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SPEAK UP!! WE CAN'T HEAR YOU!!
Perhaps that is so, perhaps I just expected too much from your behavioral patterns.
On that note
Jesus = Mass Hallucination
God = Myth
Evil, Sin = Vicious Lies
Look, i'm not going to waste my time debating with YOU something that has already been put to bet by every credible, credentialed historian alive. NO ONE credible argues the existence of the historical Jesus anymore! His divinity is perhaps debateable. His existence just isn't.
Some people really need tostay off the internet.
If it's so obvious and backed up by 'every credible, credentialed historian alive' then it won't be at all difficult for you to provide at least one piece of evidence.
Go ahead...
As the old adage goes: Put up, or shut up!
didn't say you did. i was talking to ahnimus.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
close personal contact followed by a questionnaire.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
I dont understand why people put so much emphasis on science.
i'm being quite serious.
the face
Red Mosquito Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 106
again...
Thank you for your brilliant ability in cutting and pasting another man's words. Quite original. See, you can make a point by just seeking the answers yourself. You don't have to steal someone else's words....
Nice? Are you kidding me?
What's nice about religious kooks who insist that anyone who doesn't believe as they do and in what they believe in; that they are going to burn in hell?
It's not NICE to repeatidly knock on my front door and ring my bell, at 7:00 AM on a Saturday morining; to "enlighten " me about "your" god.
What's not NICE is religious organizations who refuse to pay taxes, but spend their money on lobbyists in Washington, lobbying and influencing Congress to create Laws and policies that reflect their religious beliefs.
If the religious people can't handle an opinion and belief that differs from theirs, then they need to shut the fuck up about their opinions and beliefs!
Historical evidence is not scientific evidence, it's based on interpretation :
2 historians can disagree on one fact.
make up your opinion
Though I don't really see the point on arguing the historical existence of jesus.
You act like jesus was so criminal or something. People trying to turn you on to a peaceful way of life...how dare they!
I saw Dinosaur J.R in London last week. They still have more hair on their proverbial balls than a woolly mammoth with Chewbacca swinging from it's dick!
Hmmmm......Jesus is not the problem, but the people who claim they "love" Jesus and know of his message. They are the problem.
Most self-proclaimed Christians don't even have the slightest clue of Jesus' message. That much is obvious.
Further more, this coming from a guy has often expressed and celebrated a desire to see Israel bomb the crap out of their Palestinian neighbors or any Muslims in general. Is that the peaceful way of life you speak of?
Gandhi comes to mind.
There is someone at my work, and evangelical christian, that believes the only path to heaven is through Jesus. The ONLY path. So, no matter how good, peaceful, moral, good-doer you are, if you don't accept Jesus as your "personal lord and savior", you are not saved.
I have a problem with that. And I have a problem with a religion that preaches that no matter how good I am, I'm still going to hell because I didn't accept Jesus.
Agree completely.
Ghandi was a wimp.
But believeing in jesus is a good step toward a more peaceful life. Most christians are the nicest people ive met.
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Yes i agree 100%
When someone does something nice, my the first words out of my mouth are not "you're so nice, are you a Christian?"
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Too bad he and others make a point about this and can't see that in the Muslims they put down daily.
evenflow, have I mentioned lately that you are just precious? And I miss your right-on-ness when I don't see you posting!
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I think the question is how good would he have been if he had a Fender or a Gibson?
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