so it's quite possible that jesus was delusional?
point is ahnimus, the bible was written by men. it is they who are telling
us what went on and what was said. things were left out and other things were embellished. they could've had jesus flying. but who would have believed that?
I'm sure a lot of people would believe that.
Have you ever read about ancient Sumer and their beliefs? What about Hindu religion. There are wild fantasies all across the globe.
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Do you ever miss a chance to take chance at jews or judaism? So first it was the Jews controlling the money thing. Now it's the implicit jews killed jesus thing...But no...No anti semitism in you...The Jews did not "stand up" against Jesus. I am not even sure that's a cogent thought. This post was not even about jews and yet somehow you find a way to bring it in anyways. De-Nile ain't just a river in Egypt as they say,,,,
WTF?
Reading the crap you say is like nails on a chalkboard man.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
The point is that the pharisees denied Jesus' deity, yes. What they didn't do is deny his existence. Their rebuttal of his deity, serves as corroboration of his existence.
I presume you get this history from the new testament? Do you have any other source besides the Christian Bible? Let me ask you this, what part of the New Testament did Jesus actually write???? I asked for independent evidence, not biblical regurgtation......Got any of that?
Don't worry he is not talking about you. It's one of many of his attempts at attacking anything jewish.
Dude, Fucking stop slandering me.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I know. Its painful to hear the truth. I empathize.
Grow up
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I had nothing to say about you or your family...In fact I have not responded to you at all other than to say this guy does not miss a chance to bash. Dont take it personally.
Have you ever read about ancient Sumer and their beliefs? What about Hindu religion. There are wild fantasies all across the globe.
you mean the 'fact' that gilgamesh was 2/3 god and 1/3 man. or that the annunaki are depicted as bird headed or as reptilian warriors. or perhaps that erishkagel was carried off to the netherworld and that enki's boat was swamped when he went to maybe/ maybe not rescue her.
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you mean the 'fact' that gilgamesh was 2/3 god and 1/3 man. or that the annunaki are depicted as bird headed or as reptilian warriors. or perhaps that erishkagel was carried off to the netherworld and that enki's boat was swamped when he went to maybe/ maybe not rescue her.
Exactly!
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I had nothing to say about you or your family...In fact I have not responded to you at all other than to say this guy does not miss a chance to bash. Dont take it personally.
i'm not taking it personally. and you have responded to me when you quote my quote in your response. i'm just saying that perhaps when people share their views on this board they may wish to take into account that the people they are 'trashing' are reading their posts and act accordingly. 'cause i say so' is not a legitimate response.
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I presume you get this history from the new testament? Do you have any other source besides the Christian Bible? Let me ask you this, what part of the New Testament did Jesus actually write???? I asked for independent evidence, not biblical regurgtation......Got any of that?
The Jewish Talmud for one! There are passages in there referencing Jesus and referring to him as as sorcerer and false messiah. Unflattering. Put confirmation of his existence.
No more responses regarding Jesus' actual existence, please. i will literally not reply. Complete waste of time to debate something that is no longer debated by sincere academia.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
Yes, Jesus existed, so did Appolonius of Tyana, why doesn't anyone worship him?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Agreeing with my nemisis. But I would like to see what Corhholio has in the way of evidence as well. I know the history and provided unbiased information. What have you got other than defensiveness...?
It's all here baby! I'm too drunk and lazy to scroll through it all again. But I've stated it all here. Knock yourself out..
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well, if he's the son of God, or one-third of God, or whatever, he could easily have created one. the very fact that he didn't even think to create one, and then use his divine powers to rock the entire universe into a state of perfect harmony, totally disqualifies him as a true God in my book.
You're absolutely right, just imagine
Hey, dude, is that a Strat?
Nope, that's my brand new Jesus!
I've read about scholars and historians of the time and place jesus was born not mentioning him at all. But I have also read some decent cases that he might have existed...no one can really prove anything.
I've never once said that he didn't exist. But I have said that it doesn't appear that he existed when he widely believed to have done.
i find religious arguments tiresome most of the time. it's about people's faith and that being irrational, as it requires not a shred of evidence, it is beyond argument.
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i find religious arguments tiresome most of the time. it's about people's faith and that being irrational, as it requires not a shred of evidence, it is beyond argument.
i find religious arguments tiresome most of the time. it's about people's faith and that being irrational, as it requires not a shred of evidence, it is beyond argument.
True faith does not REQUIRE evidence, but, mine is surely strengthened by it. Mounds of it. My faith is anything but blind.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
True faith does not REQUIRE evidence, but, mine is surely strengthened by it. Mounds of it. My faith is anything but blind.
Than why are you so afraid to discuss the historical jesus? Because of what you might find? How can your faith not be be blind if you refuse to search for evidence?
Regarding the date when he lived there is evidence for him living when he is supposed to have done so. There are gospels which is from four seperate people telling the same story(although from different angles) which is telling. Perhaps it could be argued they embellished the stories slightly for their own agendas (if one desires) but if they all wrote about someone who didn't exist and didn't exist at that time it would be very strange. There are early manuscripts of these four accounts that make it highly probable they were written in the first century A.D. There are also secular sources and there are very little mainstream historians who doubt the existence of Jesus.
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True faith does not REQUIRE evidence, but, mine is surely strengthened by it. Mounds of it. My faith is anything but blind.
i'd like to comment on this although it's not my arguement to defend. but i think the other person is right. faith does not require evidence... and it is tiresome to argue faith and evidence. but i think that this actually benefits believers more than none.
man, i haven't been on these bulletins for a long time.
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Regarding the date when he lived there is evidence for him living when he is supposed to have done so. There are gospels which is from four seperate people telling the same story(although from different angles) which is telling. Perhaps it could be argued they embellished the stories slightly for their own agendas (if one desires) but if they all wrote about someone who didn't exist and didn't exist at that time it would be very strange. There are early manuscripts of these four accounts that make it highly probable they were written in the first century A.D. There are also secular sources and there are very little mainstream historians who doubt the existence of Jesus.
the quetion is whether the biblical jesus did what the bible said he did. who was he really? i think there was a jesus...i just think the historical underpinnings of who he was are weak...
the quetion is whether the biblical jesus did what the bible said he did. who was he really? i think there was a jesus...i just think the historical underpinnings of who he was are weak...
historical underpinnngs of who he was are weak
what does that mean? hey, jesus was a cool guy... more than cool, he was phenomenal... of course, i can't prove that to you but even in his days, when he performed miracles in front of everybody there were those that still didn't believe that he was the son of God.
if he is who he said he was, i don't think it's weak... if he is who he said he was, i think we need to change our opinion about him.
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
what does that mean? hey, jesus was a cool guy... more than cool, he was phenomenal... of course, i can't prove that to you but even in his days, when he performed miracles in front of everybody there were those that still didn't believe that he was the son of God.
if he is who he said he was, i don't think it's weak... if he is who he said he was, i think we need to change our opinion about him.
Lots of people performed magic tricks back then. And Appollonius of Tyana is argued to have been more influential than Jesus.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Lots of people performed magic tricks back then. And Appollonius of Tyana is argued to have been more influential than Jesus.
Well Appollonius did not form the basis of the world's largest religion and is completely irrevelant to the modern world. Jesus is still at least somewhat relevant 2000 years after his passing which is no mean feat, particulary for a man who was not born of noble birth and never held an official office.
As for the arguements of "the face" there are always going to some shortage of information about a man who lived 2000 years ago but we do know quite a bit about him. How many other carpenter's from this period of history are remembered today? Its impossible to agree on points such as claims to divinity and the like but he was obviously a person who was quite extraordinary.
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Don't worry he is not talking about you. It's one of many of his attempts at attacking anything jewish.
I'm sure a lot of people would believe that.
Have you ever read about ancient Sumer and their beliefs? What about Hindu religion. There are wild fantasies all across the globe.
WTF?
Reading the crap you say is like nails on a chalkboard man.
I presume you get this history from the new testament? Do you have any other source besides the Christian Bible? Let me ask you this, what part of the New Testament did Jesus actually write???? I asked for independent evidence, not biblical regurgtation......Got any of that?
Dude, Fucking stop slandering me.
how do you know my family isn't jewish?
besides i know he wasn't talking about me.
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I know. Its painful to hear the truth. I empathize.
Grow up
I had nothing to say about you or your family...In fact I have not responded to you at all other than to say this guy does not miss a chance to bash. Dont take it personally.
you mean the 'fact' that gilgamesh was 2/3 god and 1/3 man. or that the annunaki are depicted as bird headed or as reptilian warriors. or perhaps that erishkagel was carried off to the netherworld and that enki's boat was swamped when he went to maybe/ maybe not rescue her.
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Exactly!
i'm not taking it personally. and you have responded to me when you quote my quote in your response. i'm just saying that perhaps when people share their views on this board they may wish to take into account that the people they are 'trashing' are reading their posts and act accordingly. 'cause i say so' is not a legitimate response.
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The Jewish Talmud for one! There are passages in there referencing Jesus and referring to him as as sorcerer and false messiah. Unflattering. Put confirmation of his existence.
No more responses regarding Jesus' actual existence, please. i will literally not reply. Complete waste of time to debate something that is no longer debated by sincere academia.
It's all here baby! I'm too drunk and lazy to scroll through it all again. But I've stated it all here. Knock yourself out..
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Your Kronenbourg. Me. Im on the wagon until New Years. Have one for me. At least we appear on the same page on this issue....I liked the Saddam Hussein image. Pretty funny. Merry former pagan holiday converted to the birth of Jesus day by Emperor Constanine everyone...day. Phew. All in one breath....
You're absolutely right, just imagine
Hey, dude, is that a Strat?
Nope, that's my brand new Jesus!
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I've never once said that he didn't exist. But I have said that it doesn't appear that he existed when he widely believed to have done.
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True faith does not REQUIRE evidence, but, mine is surely strengthened by it. Mounds of it. My faith is anything but blind.
Than why are you so afraid to discuss the historical jesus? Because of what you might find? How can your faith not be be blind if you refuse to search for evidence?
Have we lost our way tonight?
Have we lost our hope to sorrow?
Feels like were all alone
Running further from what’s right
And there are no more heroes to follow
So what are we becoming?
Where did we go wrong?
"I have come to give you life, and life more abundantly." That doesn't sound like religion to me.
man, i haven't been on these bulletins for a long time.
the quetion is whether the biblical jesus did what the bible said he did. who was he really? i think there was a jesus...i just think the historical underpinnings of who he was are weak...
what does that mean? hey, jesus was a cool guy... more than cool, he was phenomenal... of course, i can't prove that to you but even in his days, when he performed miracles in front of everybody there were those that still didn't believe that he was the son of God.
if he is who he said he was, i don't think it's weak... if he is who he said he was, i think we need to change our opinion about him.
Lots of people performed magic tricks back then. And Appollonius of Tyana is argued to have been more influential than Jesus.
Well Appollonius did not form the basis of the world's largest religion and is completely irrevelant to the modern world. Jesus is still at least somewhat relevant 2000 years after his passing which is no mean feat, particulary for a man who was not born of noble birth and never held an official office.
As for the arguements of "the face" there are always going to some shortage of information about a man who lived 2000 years ago but we do know quite a bit about him. How many other carpenter's from this period of history are remembered today? Its impossible to agree on points such as claims to divinity and the like but he was obviously a person who was quite extraordinary.
Have we lost our way tonight?
Have we lost our hope to sorrow?
Feels like were all alone
Running further from what’s right
And there are no more heroes to follow
So what are we becoming?
Where did we go wrong?