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Was christianity a hoax?

the facethe face Posts: 192
edited February 2007 in A Moving Train
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  • dkst0426dkst0426 Posts: 523
    Class.
  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    Where do people find this crap? Seriously. Mainstream scholarly research coupled with scientific carbon dating of the gospels place them firmly within the timeframe of eyewitnesses. If you don't believe in the divinity of the historical Jesus, that is absolutely fine by me. All i ask is people please, please, please stop with this crap that even atheist scholars laugh at.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    cornnifer wrote:
    Where do people find this crap? Seriously. Mainstream scholarly research coupled with scientific carbon dating of the gospels place them firmly within the timeframe of eyewitnesses. If you don't believe in the divinity of the historical Jesus, that is absolutely fine by me. All i ask is people please, please, please stop with this crap that even atheist scholars laugh at.
    That seems like a perfectly reasonable request.

    I'm certainly no expert, but I did look into this some years back and it seemed to me that there was very little reason to doubt that the historical Jesus did exist. I'll leave the divinity aspect alone, but I don't think he's a work of fiction.

    Merry Christmas, cornnifer :)
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  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    hippiemom wrote:
    That seems like a perfectly reasonable request.

    I'm certainly no expert, but I did look into this some years back and it seemed to me that there was very little reason to doubt that the historical Jesus did exist. I'll leave the divinity aspect alone, but I don't think he's a work of fiction.

    Merry Christmas, cornnifer :)

    And a sincere Merry Christmas to you and your family as well, HM.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • NMyTreeNMyTree Posts: 2,374
    Oh I believe Jesus existed.

    But all the religions, in my opinion, are all hoaxes. it's a farce.
  • AbuskedtiAbuskedti Posts: 1,917
    NMyTree wrote:
    Oh I believe Jesus existed.

    But all the religions, in my opinion, are all hoaxes. it's a farce.

    Do you believe in morals or integrity or anything like that..

    because those are beliefs - There is no scientific basis..

    Those are similarly hoaxes... Not nice to call what people belive in a hoax... we all have beliefs -
  • the facethe face Posts: 192
    Abuskedti wrote:
    Do you believe in morals or integrity or anything like that..

    because those are beliefs - There is no scientific basis..

    Those are similarly hoaxes... Not nice to call what people belive in a hoax... we all have beliefs -


    That was a question. Not a statement.
  • brain of cbrain of c Posts: 5,213
    still is.
    d'oh!!!!!!

    http://www.myspace.com/brain_of_c
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    cornnifer wrote:
    If you don't believe in the divinity of the historical Jesus, that is absolutely fine by me.

    Please provide just one piece of evidence that supports the 'historical Jesus'. Just one.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    the face wrote:
    http://www.mountainman.com.au/essenes/article_006.htm

    IMO: All religions are hoaxes, spirituality is a hoax.

    There is only one thing we should worship and it's the flying spaghetti monster. ;)
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    hippiemom wrote:
    I did look into this some years back and it seemed to me that there was very little reason to doubt that the historical Jesus did exist.

    Please provide one piece of evidence which supports the historical Jesus. This topic has already been discussed on the board and nobody could provide a single shred of evidence to support the view that Jesus existed when he is said to have done. Why is this nonsense continuing?
  • the facethe face Posts: 192
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Please provide one piece of evidence which supports the historical Jesus. This topic has already been discussed on the board and nobody could provide a single shred of evidence to support the view that Jesus existed when he is said to have done. Why is this nonsense continuing?

    I actually found a subject that Byrnzie and I agree on! Actually the post was meant to spur debate about the underpinings of Christianity, not the life of Jesus. There is some historical evidence of Jesus. But it is very very scant. What is even more scant is the issue of who he was and what he really did. One has to look at when the New Testament was compiled and who compiled it and why.

    I was hoping to spur some true historical debate. But I now find myself on the same side of the coin as A and B. Funny how that happens....
  • the facethe face Posts: 192
    pedia. I love this site. Here ya go. This is as close as one can get to the historical Jesus.....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus and it aint much......
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    hippiemom wrote:
    That seems like a perfectly reasonable request.

    I'm certainly no expert, but I did look into this some years back and it seemed to me that there was very little reason to doubt that the historical Jesus did exist. I'll leave the divinity aspect alone, but I don't think he's a work of fiction.

    Merry Christmas, cornnifer :)

    even as an atheist i don't doubt the existence of jesus.
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  • the facethe face Posts: 192
    catefrances wrote:
    even as an atheist i don't doubt the existence of jesus.

    The question is really, to make it simple, did he really do all that shit that book said he did? Or was there something else really going on....
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    the face wrote:
    The question is really, to make it simple, did he really do all that shit that book said he did? Or was there something else really going on....

    and my answer would be no.
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    the face wrote:
    There is some historical evidence of Jesus. But it is very very scant.

    Please provide just one piece of evidence.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    the face wrote:
    The question is really, to make it simple, did he really do all that shit that book said he did? Or was there something else really going on....

    I'm curious... are you Jewish by any chance?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • the facethe face Posts: 192
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Please provide just one piece of evidence.

    my post above. i said it was scant didn't I.
  • the facethe face Posts: 192
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I'm curious... are you Jewish by any chance?

    im circumsized....does that count? im out. the face must sleep. happy israel bashing.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    the face wrote:
    im circumsized....does that count? im out. the face must sleep. happy israel bashing.
    no. not really. i know guys that are circumcised and they are not jewish.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    the face wrote:
    im circumsized....does that count? im out. the face must sleep. happy israel bashing.

    Probably not, or else I would be Jewish too.

    I'm asking because you have defended Judaism, yet you start a thread trashing Christianity. If you were atheist you would show a bit more consistency in bashing religions.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    This debate has already been played out...

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=226069&highlight=american
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    the face wrote:
    my post above. i said it was scant didn't I.

    And I'm saying that it's non-existent.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Probably not, or else I would be Jewish too.

    I'm asking because you have defended Judaism, yet you start a thread trashing Christianity. If you were atheist you would show a bit more consistency in bashing religions.

    this seems consistent to me.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    catefrances wrote:
    this seems consistent to me.

    Please Clarify :)

    George Carlin "There is no God"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzHlMs2rSIM
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Please Clarify :)

    George Carlin "There is no God"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzHlMs2rSIM


    you said: I'm asking because you have defended Judaism, yet you start a thread trashing Christianity

    there is no conflict of interest and no inconsistency as far as i can see. support one, trash the other. that's balanced.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    catefrances wrote:
    you said: I'm asking because you have defended Judaism, yet you start a thread trashing Christianity

    there is no conflict of interest and no inconsistency as far as i can see. support one, trash the other. that's balanced.

    Yea, it's consistent from the perspective of a Jew, but not from the perspective of an Atheist. And thus why I asked if he is a Jew. I don't really care either way, but it would explain his attitude towards the topics and for attempting to undermine Christianity. Personally, I think it's all bullshit and Judaism is probably the worst religion. If you could measure how much shit stinks.

    To each is own though. I could teach a course on why God is a myth, but I'd only get Atheists in attendance.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • the facethe face Posts: 192
    catefrances wrote:
    you said: I'm asking because you have defended Judaism, yet you start a thread trashing Christianity

    there is no conflict of interest and no inconsistency as far as i can see. support one, trash the other. that's balanced.
    I DEFENDED ISRAEL AND ASKED A QUESTION UNRELATED TO THAT SUBJECT ENTIRELY
  • the facethe face Posts: 192
    catefrances wrote:
    you said: I'm asking because you have defended Judaism, yet you start a thread trashing Christianity

    there is no conflict of interest and no inconsistency as far as i can see. support one, trash the other. that's balanced.
    I NEVER TRASHED ANYTHING. I ASKED A QUESTION. THAT WAS IT. IT WAS MEANT TO STIR AN INTERESTING DISCUSSION
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