What's nice about religious kooks who insist that anyone who doesn't believe as they do and in what they believe in; that they are going to burn in hell?
It's not NICE to repeatidly knock on my front door and ring my bell, at 7:00 AM on a Saturday morining; to "enlighten " me about "your" god.
What's not NICE is religious organizations who refuse to pay taxes, but spend their money on lobbyists in Washington, lobbying and influencing Congress to create Laws and policies that reflect their religious beliefs.
If the religious people can't handle an opinion and belief that differs from theirs, then they need to shut the fuck up about their opinions and beliefs!
Here we go with the hateful, prejudicial, completely ignorant sterotyping that is so prevalent here. As a fairly outspoken Christian around these parts i have NEVER damned anyone to hell for disagreeing with my spiritual beliefs. Not once have i done that. Nor have i without provocation, warrant, or reasonable support, with no reason but mean spirited malice reffered t someones sacred beliefs as , bullshit, fallacy, lies, mythological, or as a "hoax". i also have never knocked on anyones door at 7 am on a Saturday morning, or any day at any time for that matter, and tried to force my beliefs on them. (Really, how many fucking times has aChristian rang your fucking doorbell at 7 am on Saturday? Not many methinks. Even Jehovahs witnesses go door to door only sporadically and rarely ever at 7 am. i call bullshit on this one). i dont even care if you believe as i do in regards to spirituality. i say this all the time here. This is the second time in this very thread. What i will do is call you on your hypocritical nature by being guilty of the type of shit you accuse Christians of. Look, if you want to know what average, everyday Christians are REALLY like, turn off the fucking T.V, log off the internet, put down the op/ed page of your local rag, and go out and have a few beers with some. You could really use the experience.
Look, defending your faith when attacked, or discussing your faith when asked does not equate to "pushing beliefs". When asked respectfully, i will discuss, and when attacked, i will defend. All i ask is to be allowed to do that without being told to "shut the fuck up". thanks.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
I've read about scholars and historians of the time and place jesus was born not mentioning him at all. But I have also read some decent cases that he might have existed...no one can really prove anything.
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you said: I'm asking because you have defended Judaism, yet you start a thread trashing Christianity
there is no conflict of interest and no inconsistency as far as i can see. support one, trash the other. that's balanced.
To ask what people believe with respect to Christianity is not trashing anything...I followed up on this thread by actually providing evidence that there was a historical Jesus. So why do you think I am trashing anything?
Yea, it's consistent from the perspective of a Jew, but not from the perspective of an Atheist. And thus why I asked if he is a Jew. I don't really care either way, but it would explain his attitude towards the topics and for attempting to undermine Christianity. Personally, I think it's all bullshit and Judaism is probably the worst religion. If you could measure how much shit stinks.
To each is own though. I could teach a course on why God is a myth, but I'd only get Atheists in attendance.
The man admists his latent hate of Jews not just Israel. See, now don't you feel better..Honesty cleanses the sole
If it's so obvious and backed up by 'every credible, credentialed historian alive' then it won't be at all difficult for you to provide at least one piece of evidence.
Go ahead...
As the old adage goes: Put up, or shut up!
Agreeing with my nemisis. But I would like to see what Corhholio has in the way of evidence as well. I know the history and provided unbiased information. What have you got other than defensiveness...?
Further more, this coming from a guy has often expressed and celebrated a desire to see Israel bomb the crap out of their Palestinian neighbors or any Muslims in general. Is that the peaceful way of life you speak of?
What makes you think that everyone who followed the way of Jesus (allegeldy) were so peaceful? Forget about that whole Crusades thing? Not a very peaceable way of being a Christian...
Agreeing with my nemisis. But I would like to see what Corhholio has in the way of evidence as well. I know the history and provided unbiased information. What have you got other than defensiveness...?
Look, whether or not Jesus existed, is simply not debated anymore! There is enough corroboration, both historical, as well as archeologica. (when determining whetehr a historical document is reliable archeologists often look to see if people, places and events mentioned in the document can be archeologically verified. This is true of the Gospels and much of what they mention has been archeologically found to be quite accurate). Perhaps more important than the other than biblical historical sources that mention Jesus, is the fact that hostile sources, (by that i mean sources that would contradict the gospel account of his historicity) are non existent! Certainly there were plenty of people who could have killed the Christian movement at its onset by simply stepping forward ans saying, "hey, i was there and the guy never even existed". Didn't happen. The Christian movement could not have taken root, as it did, right there in Jerusalem where Jesus allegedly excercised his ministry, with people standing around refuting his very existence. There are even Hostile Jewish sources which mention Jesus and refer to him as a "false Messiah, who practiced magic, and was justly condemned to death". These hostile sources obviously, although unflattering, account for his existence.
The book has been closed by everyone other than a very small, fringe element of attention seeking pseudo-scholars on whether or not Jesus
actually existed. It simply is not even debated by anyone serious any longer. Again if you want to argue Jesus' divinity, i'll listen. But as far as whether or not he even existed, i'll waste absolutely no more of my time. Neither will any honest, unbiased, serious historian.
Lastly, i ask you refrain from calling me outside of my name. Thanks.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
To ask what people believe with respect to Christianity is not trashing anything...I followed up on this thread by actually providing evidence that there was a historical Jesus. So why do you think I am trashing anything?
i don't. ahnimus was the one actually having a go at you. i was merely pointing out that trashing christianity and praising judaism seemed balanced to me considering what the jews thought about jesus, upon whose teachings the religion of christianity was founded. I didn't say you were trashing anything.
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I saw Dinosaur J.R in London last week. They still have more hair on their proverbial balls than a woolly mammoth with Chewbacca swinging from it's dick!
hahaha! you fucking bastard!! i missed out on the show they just played HERE IN MASSACHUSETTS WHERE THEY LIVE.
there no way i'm missing them next time, whenever it is. good to know they are still rocking at Woolie Wookiee Willie strength!!! LOL
The man admists his latent hate of Jews not just Israel. See, now don't you feel better..Honesty cleanses the sole
Dude, I don't hate Jews or Israel, stop saying shit like that. I'm getting sick of it.
I don't like religion, it's vicious and it's lies.
You are a living example of it.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Here we go with the hateful, prejudicial, completely ignorant sterotyping that is so prevalent here. As a fairly outspoken Christian around these parts i have NEVER damned anyone to hell for disagreeing with my spiritual beliefs. Not once have i done that. Nor have i without provocation, warrant, or reasonable support, with no reason but mean spirited malice reffered t someones sacred beliefs as , bullshit, fallacy, lies, mythological, or as a "hoax". i also have never knocked on anyones door at 7 am on a Saturday morning, or any day at any time for that matter, and tried to force my beliefs on them. (Really, how many fucking times has aChristian rang your fucking doorbell at 7 am on Saturday? Not many methinks. Even Jehovahs witnesses go door to door only sporadically and rarely ever at 7 am. i call bullshit on this one). i dont even care if you believe as i do in regards to spirituality. i say this all the time here. This is the second time in this very thread. What i will do is call you on your hypocritical nature by being guilty of the type of shit you accuse Christians of. Look, if you want to know what average, everyday Christians are REALLY like, turn off the fucking T.V, log off the internet, put down the op/ed page of your local rag, and go out and have a few beers with some. You could really use the experience.
Look, defending your faith when attacked, or discussing your faith when asked does not equate to "pushing beliefs". When asked respectfully, i will discuss, and when attacked, i will defend. All i ask is to be allowed to do that without being told to "shut the fuck up". thanks.
Oh shut the hell up. I originally wasn't talking about you. I was talking about the religious kooks (of every religion, not just Christians who behave , say and do exactly what I stated).
Don't talk to me about Christians. I live right smack in the middle several thousands of them. And there are plenty who act and behave exactly as I stated. So if you don't act that way, then it doesn't apply to you, does it!?! Maybe you don't push your beliefs, but plenty do (from every religion) and you know it. So cut out the bullshit. Christian groups are constantly trying to shove their religion down every one's throat. Only a fool would deny it.
For your information, I hardly every watch TV and I interact with plenty of christians......every single day. I'm well aware of who they are and what they're all about.
And yes, they do knock on my door at least once a month at 7:00 AM in the morning. Call bullshit all you want.
...and by the way, that was so very unchristian of you. Oh my.:D
...and by the way, that was so very unchristian of you. Oh my.:D
Not directed at you becuase of the smiley but this remark is so stupid. A christian's role model is perfect but not the christian. So falling short of the mark in deeds and words is extremely christian. I think this type of remark ranks right up there "I know you are but what am I?". You expect it out of small children, but perplexing when it comes from an adult.
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I haven't done the research, unforunately (it's something I'd be interested in...) but my current theory is that Jesus existed in a literal sense, but simply as a dude. Almost all of the mythology surrounding him I think is the result of misinterpretiations, a laack of focus on factual statements, simple fabrication, exaguration, &c.
In other words, Jesus' original message is very distict from Christianity, in my mind. The best example I can give about this relates to SIN.
SIN is a very very big part of Christianity. However, I beleive Christ's intent was to de-emphasise Sin. I think the origninal message was not that "I forgive your sins" or "I die for your sins" or, if it was, this was a front for his real intentions. The idea is to focus on the present. There was (and unfortunately, is) an idea that someone who has sinned is marked, impure, or in some other way distinct and that this is relevant for considerations in the present. This would be what jesus wanted to ge rid of: the idea that sin marked someone. Consider that whole deal with the prostitute......
Anyhow, I could go on... and I plan to, but not here and now.
I think the question is how good would he have been if he had a Fender or a Gibson?
well, if he's the son of God, or one-third of God, or whatever, he could easily have created one. the very fact that he didn't even think to create one, and then use his divine powers to rock the entire universe into a state of perfect harmony, totally disqualifies him as a true God in my book.
Someone said something here about noone standing up against Jesus from that era. But, Judaism has always done so. Similarily Christianity has always stood against Judaism.
Between, Judaism, Islam and Christianity, there are many disputes.
The Old Testament is the only thing that is agreed on, and it was passed down verbally through like 100 generations. The story would be so distorted there probably isn't a shred of truth in it.
With the New Testament, Christ claims the Pharisees are hipocrites, while the Pharisees claim Christ is a blasphemer. There is no consistency.
Ok, what about the story of Abraham, who went along and smashed everyone's idols. Excuse me? If some dude barged into my home and smashed my statue I'd been working on, I'd kick his ass. I certainly wouldn't accept his version of the truth.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
so where was jesus and what was he doing between when his family got back from exile and him meeting john?
Look I understand that many people don't really look at the underpinnings of the religions that were forced down there throats at birth. They are taught not to question and just have faith right? All I am saying is ask some questions and seek some answers. You continually get defensive about the Jesus dude but the question was to ask for the historical record. So where is it? And please don't say the bible. The new testament was compiled a full 3 centuries after Jesus's presumed death. That leaves a little bit of room for error don't you think?
Someone said something here about noone standing up against Jesus from that era. But, Judaism has always done so. Similarily Christianity has always stood against Judaism.
Between, Judaism, Islam and Christianity, there are many disputes.
The Old Testament is the only thing that is agreed on, and it was passed down verbally through like 100 generations. The story would be so distorted there probably isn't a shred of truth in it.
With the New Testament, Christ claims the Pharisees are hipocrites, while the Pharisees claim Christ is a blasphemer. There is no consistency.
Ok, what about the story of Abraham, who went along and smashed everyone's idols. Excuse me? If some dude barged into my home and smashed my statue I'd been working on, I'd kick his ass. I certainly wouldn't accept his version of the truth.
if you called me a hypocrite i would probably call you a blasphemer as well.
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The Pharisees had the benefit of being at Sinai, which gave them an edge in convincing the Jews. Jesus had quick hands and decent tricks to fool people into him being the Son of God.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Someone said something here about noone standing up against Jesus from that era. But, Judaism has always done so. Similarily Christianity has always stood against Judaism.
Between, Judaism, Islam and Christianity, there are many disputes.
The Old Testament is the only thing that is agreed on, and it was passed down verbally through like 100 generations. The story would be so distorted there probably isn't a shred of truth in it.
With the New Testament, Christ claims the Pharisees are hipocrites, while the Pharisees claim Christ is a blasphemer. There is no consistency.
Ok, what about the story of Abraham, who went along and smashed everyone's idols. Excuse me? If some dude barged into my home and smashed my statue I'd been working on, I'd kick his ass. I certainly wouldn't accept his version of the truth.
The point is that the pharisees denied Jesus' deity, yes. What they didn't do is deny his existence. Their rebuttal of his deity, serves as corroboration of his existence.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
The Pharisees had the benefit of being at Sinai, which gave them an edge in convincing the Jews. Jesus had quick hands and decent tricks to fool people into him being the Son of God.
so it's quite possible that jesus was delusional?
point is ahnimus, the bible was written by men. it is they who are telling us what went on and what was said. things were left out and other things were embellished. they could've had jesus flying. but who would have believed that?
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Someone said something here about noone standing up against Jesus from that era. But, Judaism has always done so. Similarily Christianity has always stood against Judaism.
Between, Judaism, Islam and Christianity, there are many disputes.
The Old Testament is the only thing that is agreed on, and it was passed down verbally through like 100 generations. The story would be so distorted there probably isn't a shred of truth in it.
With the New Testament, Christ claims the Pharisees are hipocrites, while the Pharisees claim Christ is a blasphemer. There is no consistency.
Ok, what about the story of Abraham, who went along and smashed everyone's idols. Excuse me? If some dude barged into my home and smashed my statue I'd been working on, I'd kick his ass. I certainly wouldn't accept his version of the truth.
Do you ever miss a chance to take chance at jews or judaism? So first it was the Jews controlling the money thing. Now it's the implicit jews killed jesus thing...But no...No anti semitism in you...The Jews did not "stand up" against Jesus. I am not even sure that's a cogent thought. This post was not even about jews and yet somehow you find a way to bring it in anyways. De-Nile ain't just a river in Egypt as they say,,,,
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Here we go with the hateful, prejudicial, completely ignorant sterotyping that is so prevalent here. As a fairly outspoken Christian around these parts i have NEVER damned anyone to hell for disagreeing with my spiritual beliefs. Not once have i done that. Nor have i without provocation, warrant, or reasonable support, with no reason but mean spirited malice reffered t someones sacred beliefs as , bullshit, fallacy, lies, mythological, or as a "hoax". i also have never knocked on anyones door at 7 am on a Saturday morning, or any day at any time for that matter, and tried to force my beliefs on them. (Really, how many fucking times has aChristian rang your fucking doorbell at 7 am on Saturday? Not many methinks. Even Jehovahs witnesses go door to door only sporadically and rarely ever at 7 am. i call bullshit on this one). i dont even care if you believe as i do in regards to spirituality. i say this all the time here. This is the second time in this very thread. What i will do is call you on your hypocritical nature by being guilty of the type of shit you accuse Christians of. Look, if you want to know what average, everyday Christians are REALLY like, turn off the fucking T.V, log off the internet, put down the op/ed page of your local rag, and go out and have a few beers with some. You could really use the experience.
Look, defending your faith when attacked, or discussing your faith when asked does not equate to "pushing beliefs". When asked respectfully, i will discuss, and when attacked, i will defend. All i ask is to be allowed to do that without being told to "shut the fuck up". thanks.
It's not the same without you here....
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I've read about scholars and historians of the time and place jesus was born not mentioning him at all. But I have also read some decent cases that he might have existed...no one can really prove anything.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I just threw up a little in my mouth. This is so touching.
Was it chunky?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Bits of apple. I guess I should've listened to my G'pap...always chew each bit 28 times.
Sound advice.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
The book has been closed by everyone other than a very small, fringe element of attention seeking pseudo-scholars on whether or not Jesus
actually existed. It simply is not even debated by anyone serious any longer. Again if you want to argue Jesus' divinity, i'll listen. But as far as whether or not he even existed, i'll waste absolutely no more of my time. Neither will any honest, unbiased, serious historian.
Lastly, i ask you refrain from calling me outside of my name. Thanks.
i don't. ahnimus was the one actually having a go at you. i was merely pointing out that trashing christianity and praising judaism seemed balanced to me considering what the jews thought about jesus, upon whose teachings the religion of christianity was founded. I didn't say you were trashing anything.
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hahaha! you fucking bastard!! i missed out on the show they just played HERE IN MASSACHUSETTS WHERE THEY LIVE.
there no way i'm missing them next time, whenever it is. good to know they are still rocking at Woolie Wookiee Willie strength!!!
Dude, I don't hate Jews or Israel, stop saying shit like that. I'm getting sick of it.
I don't like religion, it's vicious and it's lies.
You are a living example of it.
Ugghhh...I missed them in Asheville, too. :(
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Oh shut the hell up. I originally wasn't talking about you. I was talking about the religious kooks (of every religion, not just Christians who behave , say and do exactly what I stated).
Don't talk to me about Christians. I live right smack in the middle several thousands of them. And there are plenty who act and behave exactly as I stated. So if you don't act that way, then it doesn't apply to you, does it!?! Maybe you don't push your beliefs, but plenty do (from every religion) and you know it. So cut out the bullshit. Christian groups are constantly trying to shove their religion down every one's throat. Only a fool would deny it.
For your information, I hardly every watch TV and I interact with plenty of christians......every single day. I'm well aware of who they are and what they're all about.
And yes, they do knock on my door at least once a month at 7:00 AM in the morning. Call bullshit all you want.
...and by the way, that was so very unchristian of you. Oh my.:D
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
In other words, Jesus' original message is very distict from Christianity, in my mind. The best example I can give about this relates to SIN.
SIN is a very very big part of Christianity. However, I beleive Christ's intent was to de-emphasise Sin. I think the origninal message was not that "I forgive your sins" or "I die for your sins" or, if it was, this was a front for his real intentions. The idea is to focus on the present. There was (and unfortunately, is) an idea that someone who has sinned is marked, impure, or in some other way distinct and that this is relevant for considerations in the present. This would be what jesus wanted to ge rid of: the idea that sin marked someone. Consider that whole deal with the prostitute......
Anyhow, I could go on... and I plan to, but not here and now.
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well, if he's the son of God, or one-third of God, or whatever, he could easily have created one. the very fact that he didn't even think to create one, and then use his divine powers to rock the entire universe into a state of perfect harmony, totally disqualifies him as a true God in my book.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Between, Judaism, Islam and Christianity, there are many disputes.
The Old Testament is the only thing that is agreed on, and it was passed down verbally through like 100 generations. The story would be so distorted there probably isn't a shred of truth in it.
With the New Testament, Christ claims the Pharisees are hipocrites, while the Pharisees claim Christ is a blasphemer. There is no consistency.
Ok, what about the story of Abraham, who went along and smashed everyone's idols. Excuse me? If some dude barged into my home and smashed my statue I'd been working on, I'd kick his ass. I certainly wouldn't accept his version of the truth.
Look I understand that many people don't really look at the underpinnings of the religions that were forced down there throats at birth. They are taught not to question and just have faith right? All I am saying is ask some questions and seek some answers. You continually get defensive about the Jesus dude but the question was to ask for the historical record. So where is it? And please don't say the bible. The new testament was compiled a full 3 centuries after Jesus's presumed death. That leaves a little bit of room for error don't you think?
if you called me a hypocrite i would probably call you a blasphemer as well.
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Point is, back then everyone was claiming to be special. Everyone said they had the word of God.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_prophet
The Pharisees had the benefit of being at Sinai, which gave them an edge in convincing the Jews. Jesus had quick hands and decent tricks to fool people into him being the Son of God.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_messiah
The point is that the pharisees denied Jesus' deity, yes. What they didn't do is deny his existence. Their rebuttal of his deity, serves as corroboration of his existence.
so it's quite possible that jesus was delusional?
point is ahnimus, the bible was written by men. it is they who are telling us what went on and what was said. things were left out and other things were embellished. they could've had jesus flying. but who would have believed that?
take a good look
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Do you ever miss a chance to take chance at jews or judaism? So first it was the Jews controlling the money thing. Now it's the implicit jews killed jesus thing...But no...No anti semitism in you...The Jews did not "stand up" against Jesus. I am not even sure that's a cogent thought. This post was not even about jews and yet somehow you find a way to bring it in anyways. De-Nile ain't just a river in Egypt as they say,,,,