Well Appollonius did not form the basis of the world's largest religion and is completely irrevelant to the modern world. Jesus is still at least somewhat relevant 2000 years after his passing which is no mean feat, particulary for a man who was not born of noble birth and never held an official office.
As for the arguements of "the face" there are always going to some shortage of information about a man who lived 2000 years ago but we do know quite a bit about him. How many other carpenter's from this period of history are remembered today? Its impossible to agree on points such as claims to divinity and the like but he was obviously a person who was quite extraordinary.
that is for sure....LOL. its actually quite interesting look at the case of his because it was beyond a joke. they tried him at night (illegal) and on the passover which they should have not done either. just a curious side note to this discussion.....
The wind is blowing cold
Have we lost our way tonight?
Have we lost our hope to sorrow?
Feels like were all alone
Running further from what’s right
And there are no more heroes to follow
that is for sure....LOL. its actually quite interesting look at the case of his because it was beyond a joke. they tried him at night (illegal) and on the passover which they should have not done either. just a curious side note to this discussion.....
Love to chat about this but no time today!:) Bad lawyer, good agent aside you have a Merry Xmas anyway or whatever else it is you celebrate this time of year.:)
Love to chat about this but no time today!:) Bad lawyer, good agent aside you have a Merry Xmas anyway or whatever else it is you celebrate this time of year.:)
and a merry christmas to you as well.....:)
The wind is blowing cold
Have we lost our way tonight?
Have we lost our hope to sorrow?
Feels like were all alone
Running further from what’s right
And there are no more heroes to follow
Well Appollonius did not form the basis of the world's largest religion and is completely irrevelant to the modern world. Jesus is still at least somewhat relevant 2000 years after his passing which is no mean feat, particulary for a man who was not born of noble birth and never held an official office.
As for the arguements of "the face" there are always going to some shortage of information about a man who lived 2000 years ago but we do know quite a bit about him. How many other carpenter's from this period of history are remembered today? Its impossible to agree on points such as claims to divinity and the like but he was obviously a person who was quite extraordinary.
dumb luck....could have been anyone. right guy at the right time.
Christianity is most definitely not a hoax, as I have witnessed it close-up, first-hand on a number of occasions. If it is it is a most elaborate hoax. I believe christianity exists, and is indeed a religion.
Now questioning the foundation and/or practice and beliefs if said religion is something else entirely.
Peace
Dan
"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
well look at judaism and islam..their kind of joke religions compared to christianity.
I never said Christianity was a joke. I just asked a question. I was simply asking for some historical analysis. The total absence of any in response merely proves the point. I think the same can be said of the stories of the old testament and perhaps the Quran. There are those in all religions who take the stories of their respective books and assume their content as truth simply be because it was beaten into their heads since they were chidren.
In all faiths there are reformers and realists and there are fundamentalists. The fundamentalists, I believe, are the ones who refuse to reform and who refuse to modernize. Whether the stories in the respective books are fact or fiction will never be proven absolutlely. And actually, if you get right down to it there is probably more of a chance the Quran is accurate due to its proximity in time.
But to call Judaism and Islam more or less of a joke as compared to any other is just plain ignortant. The issue is do we take the stories in our books as metaphor or myth or blindly accept them as truth and real history.
I never said Christianity was a joke. I just asked a question. I was simply asking for some historical analysis. The total absence of any in response merely proves the point. I think the same can be said of the stories of the old testament and perhaps the Quran. There are those in all religions who take the stories of their respective books and assume their content as truth simply be because it was beaten into their heads since they were chidren.
In all faiths there are reformers and realists and there are fundamentalists. The fundamentalists, I believe, are the ones who refuse to reform and who refuse to modernize. Whether the stories in the respective books are fact or fiction will never be proven absolutlely. And actually, if you get right down to it there is probably more of a chance the Quran is accurate due to its proximity in time.
But to call Judaism and Islam more or less of a joke as compared to any other is just plain ignortant. The issue is do we take the stories in our books as metaphor or myth or blindly accept them as truth and real history.
This is a really interesting conversation and one that I would like to be more involved in. I agree with much of what you have said. Just don't really have the time to participate today. Hope the thread is still going later in the week.:)
This is a really interesting conversation and one that I would like to be more involved in. I agree with much of what you have said. Just don't really have the time to participate today. Hope the thread is still going later in the week.:)
dumb luck....could have been anyone. right guy at the right time.
I briefly thought of that possibility but that is too much of a stretch of plausiblity if there ever was one. A guy doesn't become the most famous man to ever walk the planet by sheer luck. Think of all the most famous people of the 20th century and none of them will ever compare to the fame this man Jesus achieved and the changes to societies (including the great Roman empire) that occured because of his influence. Once again this is not a debate about his divinity, just a retort to your quite bizarre claim that it was just dumb luck.
The wind is blowing cold
Have we lost our way tonight?
Have we lost our hope to sorrow?
Feels like were all alone
Running further from what’s right
And there are no more heroes to follow
If Mary was Jesus' mother, wouldn't taht make her the most important person, hence if she didn't exist, neither would have Jesus?
My point is there is no one more important than another. We are all here together, our energy is shared, we are one......selfishness and greed divide us....
Cheers,
NEWAGEHIPPIE
Keep your eyes open, eventually something will happen....
If Mary was Jesus' mother, wouldn't taht make her the most important person, hence if she didn't exist, neither would have Jesus?
My point is there is no one more important than another. We are all here together, our energy is shared, we are one......selfishness and greed divide us....
Not jesus. Jesus goes beyond selfishness and greed. Mary is a tool; yet i mean this in the most positive of ways. She is a tool of god to bring jesus into the world.
Not jesus. Jesus goes beyond selfishness and greed. Mary is a tool; yet i mean this in the most positive of ways. She is a tool of god to bring jesus into the world.
Many other religous figures do the same as Jesus.
I agree that hypothetical Mary was a tool, but not any tool would have worked.....just as Religion is a tool to get the message across. Once upon a time mass religion to contol the masses was a great concept, then greed and slefishness corrupted the story, it is now time we all think for ourselves and find ourself, with that we will find the energy that connects us, and with that the change begins......(please don't take that the wrong way, I am not challanging your thinking ability....)
Cheers,
NEWAGEHIPPIE
Keep your eyes open, eventually something will happen....
I agree that hypothetical Mary was a tool, but not any tool would have worked.....just as Religion is a tool to get the message across. Once upon a time mass religion to contol the masses was a great concept, then greed and slefishness corrupted the story, it is now time we all think for ourselves and find ourself, with that we will find the energy that connects us, and with that the change begins......(please don't take that the wrong way, I am not challanging your thinking ability....)
i believe in energry..but also a firm belief in the scriptures.
So this person, who is suppose to be the all loving, all sacraficing, savior of the world, would put his self on soapbox and declare himself the most important person in history? That's not very modest....is it?
Cheers,
NEWAGEHIPPIE
Keep your eyes open, eventually something will happen....
So this person, who is suppose to be the all loving, all sacraficing, savior of the world, would put his self on soapbox and declare himself the most important person in history? That's not very modest....is it?
So this person, who is suppose to be the all loving, all sacraficing, savior of the world, would put his self on soapbox and declare himself the most important person in history? That's not very modest....is it?
Actually, I don't think He would have to. Most of us would die in the Rapture, anyway.
I briefly thought of that possibility but that is too much of a stretch of plausiblity if there ever was one. A guy doesn't become the most famous man to ever walk the planet by sheer luck. Think of all the most famous people of the 20th century and none of them will ever compare to the fame this man Jesus achieved and the changes to societies (including the great Roman empire) that occured because of his influence. Once again this is not a debate about his divinity, just a retort to your quite bizarre claim that it was just dumb luck.
Just by sheer numbers, doesn't Allah have him beat?
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Maybe he just had a better agent.;)
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
LOL maybe now if his agent could have just stopped his farce of a court case.
Have we lost our way tonight?
Have we lost our hope to sorrow?
Feels like were all alone
Running further from what’s right
And there are no more heroes to follow
So what are we becoming?
Where did we go wrong?
Yeah clearly he had a better agent than lawyer!;)
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
that is for sure....LOL. its actually quite interesting look at the case of his because it was beyond a joke. they tried him at night (illegal) and on the passover which they should have not done either. just a curious side note to this discussion.....
Have we lost our way tonight?
Have we lost our hope to sorrow?
Feels like were all alone
Running further from what’s right
And there are no more heroes to follow
So what are we becoming?
Where did we go wrong?
Love to chat about this but no time today!:) Bad lawyer, good agent aside you have a Merry Xmas anyway or whatever else it is you celebrate this time of year.:)
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
that site is a joke......christian or not the vast majority of scholars agree that jesus was a real person. to even doubt this is beyond a joke.....
Have we lost our way tonight?
Have we lost our hope to sorrow?
Feels like were all alone
Running further from what’s right
And there are no more heroes to follow
So what are we becoming?
Where did we go wrong?
and a merry christmas to you as well.....:)
Have we lost our way tonight?
Have we lost our hope to sorrow?
Feels like were all alone
Running further from what’s right
And there are no more heroes to follow
So what are we becoming?
Where did we go wrong?
Christianity is most definitely not a hoax, as I have witnessed it close-up, first-hand on a number of occasions. If it is it is a most elaborate hoax. I believe christianity exists, and is indeed a religion.
Now questioning the foundation and/or practice and beliefs if said religion is something else entirely.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
In all faiths there are reformers and realists and there are fundamentalists. The fundamentalists, I believe, are the ones who refuse to reform and who refuse to modernize. Whether the stories in the respective books are fact or fiction will never be proven absolutlely. And actually, if you get right down to it there is probably more of a chance the Quran is accurate due to its proximity in time.
But to call Judaism and Islam more or less of a joke as compared to any other is just plain ignortant. The issue is do we take the stories in our books as metaphor or myth or blindly accept them as truth and real history.
This is a really interesting conversation and one that I would like to be more involved in. I agree with much of what you have said. Just don't really have the time to participate today. Hope the thread is still going later in the week.:)
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
I think they're all kind of jokes; Christianity included.
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I briefly thought of that possibility but that is too much of a stretch of plausiblity if there ever was one. A guy doesn't become the most famous man to ever walk the planet by sheer luck. Think of all the most famous people of the 20th century and none of them will ever compare to the fame this man Jesus achieved and the changes to societies (including the great Roman empire) that occured because of his influence. Once again this is not a debate about his divinity, just a retort to your quite bizarre claim that it was just dumb luck.
Have we lost our way tonight?
Have we lost our hope to sorrow?
Feels like were all alone
Running further from what’s right
And there are no more heroes to follow
So what are we becoming?
Where did we go wrong?
I don't understand.....
If Mary was Jesus' mother, wouldn't taht make her the most important person, hence if she didn't exist, neither would have Jesus?
My point is there is no one more important than another. We are all here together, our energy is shared, we are one......selfishness and greed divide us....
NEWAGEHIPPIE
Keep your eyes open, eventually something will happen....
Not jesus. Jesus goes beyond selfishness and greed. Mary is a tool; yet i mean this in the most positive of ways. She is a tool of god to bring jesus into the world.
Many other religous figures do the same as Jesus.
I agree that hypothetical Mary was a tool, but not any tool would have worked.....just as Religion is a tool to get the message across. Once upon a time mass religion to contol the masses was a great concept, then greed and slefishness corrupted the story, it is now time we all think for ourselves and find ourself, with that we will find the energy that connects us, and with that the change begins......(please don't take that the wrong way, I am not challanging your thinking ability....)
NEWAGEHIPPIE
Keep your eyes open, eventually something will happen....
i believe in energry..but also a firm belief in the scriptures.
So does Buddha or the Dalai Lama. And I don't think Jesus would call himself the most important person ever.
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No i think he would
So this person, who is suppose to be the all loving, all sacraficing, savior of the world, would put his self on soapbox and declare himself the most important person in history? That's not very modest....is it?
NEWAGEHIPPIE
Keep your eyes open, eventually something will happen....
You back at work today Casey?
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You're confusing Bush with Jesus. Again.
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Just by sheer numbers, doesn't Allah have him beat?
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