Gun Debate

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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    redrock wrote:
    Killing animals? For sport? Defenseless animals?
    I never hunt what I will not eat. Furthermore, hunting helps some of those poor defensless animals from starving to death because of overpopulation. MMMMmmmmmm, antelope :)
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    There's no point in owning a gun. There really isn't. Nothing positive comes from it. Understand that much if anything.

    Hehe...then how are you going to enforce a gun ban?
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    know1 wrote:
    It's not just high schools, though. What about the guy in the mall a little while ago? This accident happened at a college. It's definitely not solely a school issue, although there is some ties to that.

    O.k, but the same kind of tier system and clique system exists at both schools and colleges, right? What I'm asking is, how bad is this stuff? What effect does it have on people? And is there anything in the way people are treated in the U.S education system which may be responsible for these type of incidents being so frequent?
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    PJPOWER wrote:
    False. There have been many positive experiences that have come by me owning a gun. Such as going out and shooting clay pigeons with my grandfather...........Going hunting with my friends.............Target shooting competitions..............All very positive.

    Pick your poisons...

    lot's of ways to have a good time. Incorporating a weapon of destruction into the process is entirely your call...

    Ever wonder what you would think about it if something went wrong?
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Pick your poisons...

    lot's of ways to have a good time. Incorporating a weapon of destruction into the process is entirely your call...

    Ever wonder what you would think about it if something went wrong?
    If something went wrong..................well, years of gun safety training has pretty much tought me not to point a gun (loaded or not) at anything you are not wanting to shoot. Kinda the same idea behind not standing right beside someone when they're swinging a golf club or baseball bat. NASCAR and football seem to be much more dangerous sports.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Being better people will stop them. Making better choices will stop them.

    And is there something in the U.S education system that is responsible for the absence of compassion, or tolerance among people? Is it really so competitive and cliquey that it instills an 'every man for himself' mentality, so that people just don't give a fuck about anyone else? Or am I barking up the wrong tree? Just seems that the U.S school/college system is not like any other.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Hehe...then how are you going to enforce a gun ban?


    Easy...you don't. Let those who are fascinated with fire burn themselves. If you don't feel safe where you live, then move to a safer community.

    I've been in all kinds of not so great situations. Never once can I honestly tell myself a gun would have improved the outcome of the situation. I'd probably be in jail for murder long ago otherwise...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    PJPOWER wrote:
    If something went wrong..................well, years of gun safety training has pretty much tought me not to point a gun (loaded or not) at anything you are not wanting to shoot. Kinda the same idea behind not standing right beside someone when they're swinging a golf club or baseball bat. NASCAR and football seem to be much more dangerous sports.

    I don't deny it. Calculate the risks and proceed accordingly.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    wavin_goodbye wrote:
    If Americans want to have guns, that should be fine. Provided that they use them for their proper purpose - overthrowing their government.

    Did you sleep at a Holiday Inn last night? :D
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Byrnzie wrote:
    And is there something in the U.S education system that is responsible for the absence of compassion, or tolerance among people? Is it really so competitive and cliquey that it instills an 'every man for himself' mentality, so that people just don't give a fuck about anyone else? Or am I barking up the wrong tree? Just seems that the U.S school/college system is not like any other.

    The problem is not systemic, it's cultural. Americans, as an over-generalized whole, are more hyper-aggressive and hyper-competitive than many others in this world. This is a double-edged sword. Some good comes of it. Some bad comes of it.

    Does anyone find it amusing that these threads are completely absent of the moral equivalency arguments???
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    Byrnzie wrote:
    And is there something in the U.S education system that is responsible for the absence of compassion, or tolerance among people? Is it really so competitive and cliquey that it instills an 'every man for himself' mentality, so that people just don't give a fuck about anyone else? Or am I barking up the wrong tree? Just seems that the U.S school/college system is not like any other.
    Okay, I'm confused...............I didn't think that it was the people trying to protect themselves that ended up shooting a school up? If I'm not mistaken, it's the people that were obeying the law and not carrying guns on campus that were the victims. I'm not saying that everyone should carry a gun for protection........god knows I don't................But why does the focus get directed to those who are law abiding citizens? Seems a like a fucked up way of justifying an outside cause.
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    I don't deny it. Calculate the risks and proceed accordingly.
    That is exactly what I do. I don't go out with people who I do not fully trust and who have not had gun safety education. It's not like I'm hunting with Dick Cheney, lol
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    PJPOWER wrote:
    Okay, I'm confused...............I didn't think that it was the people trying to protect themselves that ended up shooting a school up? If I'm not mistaken, it's the people that were obeying the law and not carrying guns on campus that were the victims. I'm not saying that everyone should carry a gun for protection........god knows I don't................But why does the focus get directed to those who are law abiding citizens? Seems a like a fucked up way of justifying an outside cause.

    I wasn't talking about the victims. I was discussing the motives of the countless number of perpetrators of these shootings, and what, if any, cause may lay behind their actions. It just seems that the frequency of this shit occurring points to something other than simply America's gun laws.
  • Reynaldo6
    Reynaldo6 Posts: 80
    wavin_goodbye wrote:
    If Americans want to have guns, that should be fine. Provided that they use them for their proper purpose - overthrowing their government.
    haha, i hope that never happens
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  • baraka
    baraka Posts: 1,268
    While laws restricting gun ownership may protect law-abiding people from accidental shootings, I agree that it's not going to stop the criminals from finding a source and using them for premeditated murder, or from finding some other way of killing people. If this person couldn't get a gun, there's nothing to say he wouldn't have appeared with a bomb or plowed down people on the sidewalk with his car, etc. It's tragic, but there are already gun laws that would prevent him from legally owning a gun, and guns are already prohibited from college campuses. That didn't stop him. Criminals, by definition, don't follow the law.

    I would say that I think allowing everyone carry concealed weapons on a college campus is NOT the solution.

    I dunno, I kind of like Chris Rock's solution:

    "No, I think we need some bullet control. I think every bullet should cost five thousand dollars. Five thousand dollars for a bullet. Know why? Cos if a bullet cost five thousand dollars, there'd be no more innocent by-standers...."
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    They showed an interview on CNN - the only news station I can get in Korea, unfortunately - this morning with someone who committed a school shooting at the age of 16 and is now in prison. He was talking about how the bullying AND abuse he was subjected to everyday made him resort to picking up a gun. He said that his life was made a misery, and that he truly believed that if he killed some of these people his problems would be over.
    I was asking whether this type of abuse, and bullying, along with the level pressure to succeed in U.S schools and colleges, has anything to do with the fact that so many people end up cracking up and pick up guns.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    baraka wrote:
    I dunno, I kind of like Chris Rock's solution:

    "No, I think we need some bullet control. I think every bullet should cost five thousand dollars. Five thousand dollars for a bullet. Know why? Cos if a bullet cost five thousand dollars, there'd be no more innocent by-standers...."

    you know, i used to just think of that as a funny joke, but it does have a pretty good motive behind it.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    The killer has been identified as a 23 year old South Korean. I wonder if he was ever subjected to abuse at college during these times of animosity towards anyone of middle Eastern, or Asian appearance?
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I wasn't talking about the victims. I was discussing the motives of the countless number of perpetrators of these shootings, and what, if any, cause may lay behind their actions. It just seems that the frequency of this shit occurring points to something other than simply America's gun laws.
    Oh, I totally agree. And sometimes events like this fuck with our perceptions a little. The truth is some people are just fucked up. I've been fucked up and depressed before.............I'm sure most of us have been. But sometimes, there's a person that gets a little more fucked up and does something stupid. Every time something like this happens, the main objective is "finding the warning signs"..............And most of the time you'll hear someone saying "they were outcasts" or "they had trouble at home" or "they found out their significant other was fucking a student". You rarely hear of someone going in and doing something like this just because they have a gun and want to shoot people up. With a population as culturally diverse as the US, things will happen from time to time. Can we be better prepared for handling these events and keep them from getting out of control? Well, that's a good start.
  • Reynaldo6
    Reynaldo6 Posts: 80
    Byrnzie wrote:
    The killer has been identified as a 23 year old South Korean. I wonder if he was ever subjected to abuse at college during these times of animosity towards anyone of middle Eastern, or Asian appearance?
    i would say he was. most of us (Americans) dont know what its like until we travel out of the country.
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