they wont use guns.. bombs, jets, nuclear weapons... but not guns.
Huh? How many bombs, jets and nuclear weapons did they use on the "Mr Koresh" you mentioned below?
they also will not take you down anyway.... you live in a modern democracy... why would your govt ever, ever, plan on attacking its own people... thats crazy talk mr koresh
They will not take me down? Why do you assume that when you also assume that my gun will kill someone and when you propose such in the form of a law against guns, backed by the force of guns????
No. My defense for gun ownership is that I have a right to free exchange.
go and buy a heart then? or a baby... go out and buy plutonium and a book called "i hate the government and i want to kill them" by I.M. Afuckhead
then lets see how far " a right to free exchange" goes in a court of law
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
I'm not sure about others...but I'm not for a ban...I'm for making it very difficult to obtain a handgun or assault weapon....
How difficult?
it seems that when this debate is raised...those who are pro-gun assume that everyone wants to ban guns...
I did assume that you want to ban guns. If I told you I want to make it "very difficult" for a child to get an education, wouldn't you accuse me of banning public schools?
nope, just make if f-n hard to own one...and when you get caught with one, ba-bye for a very long time....
Hehe...so in other words it's hard to get one, illegal to own one, but it's not a ban?
how about when a gun is manufactured...the gun is tracked somehow, via a database perhaps...how about treating bullets like presciption drugs...(yeah, I know, not a 100% foolproof, but it's an idea...
Guns are already tracked via a database. Treating bullets like prescriptions would be pointless since pretty much anyone can get any prescription drug they need today, plus what would take the place of the doctor's discretion here?
You asked me if I believed in them. I do believe in them in the sense that they are not made up.
No. My defense for gun ownership is that I have a right to free exchange. And the only way you can stop me from exchanging freely with others is to point a gun at me and threaten my livelihood. So what's your defense for gun ownership, since having guns is the only way you'll stop me from having one?
Sorry but your first point has totally lost me by asking if you believed in something I wasn't aware I was claiming it's invention...
If no-one had the guns then they couldn't stop you from exchanging freely could they, your only argument to carry a gun is to counter someone else carrying a gun, so no-one carries them or you do your absolute most to restrict access, problem over or severely minimised...
I have no defence for gun ownership in the general public. I'm not defending it.
Your question is circular so I can't answer it, you claim the only way to stop you having a gun is to have one myself but that you have a gun to defend you against me having one... can't you see the lunacy in the argument and that fact that you can never put down your guns with that approach?
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Huh? How many bombs, jets and nuclear weapons did they use on the "Mr Koresh" you mentioned below?
412...
i thought you meant "take me down" in terms of the general populace of america forming its beloved miltia against the govt... if you have aspirations to become Koreshian then go ahead...
They will not take me down? Why do you assume that when you also assume that my gun will kill someone and when you propose such in the form of a law against guns, backed by the force of guns????
they wont ever ever attack the population of america... your govt that is.. it will never happen... so having arms to form a militia is utterly pointless... pointless in the respect that you'd never defeat your own army..
man this whole "we must have guns... its our right" is utterly fucking pathetic... its a right granted by men... bog standard men.. not some god who came down and decreed and then fucked off... we have no rights other than the ones we made up for ourselves... and these rights can be unmade... it used to be a "right" to own a slave... got rid of that one... and we'll get rid of the gun one... quite simply
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
. I will always choose to follow laws that are in my best interest.
Don't kid yourself.. you choose to follow the law, whether in your best interest or not, because there could be some nasty consequences if you don't (eg. prison, etc.). Of course, if you think you won't get caught, you might try to flaunt the law.... However you want to come accross on this board, you are just a person who will live his life as governed by society.. or.. are you one of those outcasts with a gun who will go completely doolally? Hmmm... there's a thought.
I did assume that you want to ban guns. If I told you I want to make it "very difficult" for a child to get an education, wouldn't you accuse me of banning public schools?
Hehe...so in other words it's hard to get one, illegal to own one, but it's not a ban?
Guns are already tracked via a database. Treating bullets like prescriptions would be pointless since pretty much anyone can get any prescription drug they need today, plus what would take the place of the doctor's discretion here?
ok, then, let's do this..since you think guns are safe little toys....perhaps we should give every little boy and girl a gun when they begin 1st grade...since we can't look to other ideas, and since some can't take a step back from the argument long enough to think, rather they like to break one idea down to a several small ones...I bet by this time, you've already had an answer mapped out for a response...
so, how about give guns to 1st graders...they can start collecting and skeet shooting....sound good...?
i thought you meant "take me down" in terms of the general populace of america forming its beloved miltia against the govt... if you have aspirations to become Koreshian then go ahead...
they wont ever ever attack the population of america... your govt that is.. it will never happen... so having arms to form a militia is utterly pointless... pointless in the respect that you'd never defeat your own army..
man this whole "we must have guns... its our right" is utterly fucking pathetic... its a right granted by men... bog standard men.. not some god who came down and decreed and then fucked off... we have no rights other than the ones we made up for ourselves... and these rights can be unmade... it used to be a "right" to own a slave... got rid of that one... and we'll get rid of the gun one... quite simply
Actually, the Koresh incidence is proof of the government attacking and killing it's own people.
Sorry but your first point has totally lost me by asking if you believed in something I wasn't aware I was claiming it's invention...
Ok. I'll change my statement to simply "they are not made up".
If no-one had the guns then they couldn't stop you from exchanging freely could they, your only argument to carry a gun is to counter someone else carrying a gun, so no-one carries them or you do your absolute most to restrict access, problem over or severely minimised...
I'm not interested in "countering someone else carrying a gun". I'm interested in having the right to buy whatever I'd like from whomever wishes to sell it to me.
I have no defence for gun ownership in the general public. I'm not defending it.
I know you're not. You're defending gun ownership for those who say guns are evil and wrong and enforce laws as such.
Your question is circular so I can't answer it, you claim the only way to stop you having a gun is to have one myself but that you have a gun to defend you against me having one... can't you see the lunacy in the argument and that fact that you can never put down your guns with that approach?
I've never claimed that I have a gun to defend me against you. You're finding circular logic only by putting words in my mouth.
Hehe...this coming from the guy who wants to ban guns because he's afraid of them. Nice.
nice that you can laugh when 32 people are lying dead... people are scared of guns... i'm scared of wasps... so what?
you live in fear of your government, criminals, other people with guns basically... the only thing i live in fear of is Simple Red releasing new albums and perhaps leaving an unflushable shit in the office toilet...oh and wasps
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
ok, then, let's do this..since you think guns are safe little toys....
I don't think that. Guns are quite dangerous and certainly aren't toys.
perhaps we should give every little boy and girl a gun when they begin 1st grade...
If you wish to pay for this, knock yourself out.
since we can't look to other ideas, and since some can't take a step back from the argument long enough to think, rather they like to break one idea down to a several small ones...I bet by this time, you've already had an answer mapped out for a response...
so, how about give guns to 1st graders...they can start collecting and skeet shooting....sound good...?
If you have 1st graders and want to give them guns, I completely support your right to do so. If you don't want to give your 1st graders guns, I completely support your tight to do that as well.
Actually, the Koresh incidence is proof of the government attacking and killing it's own people.
Actually, the Virginia Tech incidence is proof of the gun owning maniacs attacking and killing it's own people.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Don't kid yourself.. you choose to follow the law, whether in your best interest or not, because there could be some nasty consequences if you don't (eg. prison, etc.).
Not really. It all depends on the law. I follow street laws to protect my safety. I follow tax laws for the reasons you mentioned above. I break other laws because I know the consequences are outweighed by the benefits.
Of course, if you think you won't get caught, you might try to flaunt the law.... However you want to come accross on this board, you are just a person who will live his life as governed by society.. or.. are you one of those outcasts with a gun who will go completely doolally? Hmmm... there's a thought.
I have no interest in "going completely doolally" with a gun.
I don't think that. Guns are quite dangerous and certainly aren't toys.
If you wish to pay for this, knock yourself out.
If you have 1st graders and want to give them guns, I completely support your right to do so. If you don't want to give your 1st graders guns, I completely support your tight to do that as well.
so what's your issue...you don't seem to care one way or another...? why are you in this discussion...?
and if you had a gun would you point it back at a policeman who was asking you to put your hands on your head
you are missing the point. if guns were 100% banned for civilians, whats from stopping government to turn rogue and use their guns against the people. extremely unlikely? yes but I dont want government to have that much power
i thought you meant "take me down" in terms of the general populace of america forming its beloved miltia against the govt... if you have aspirations to become Koreshian then go ahead...
I don't have those aspirations.
they wont ever ever attack the population of america... your govt that is.. it will never happen... so having arms to form a militia is utterly pointless... pointless in the respect that you'd never defeat your own army..
It happened once on a mass scale during the Civil War. It has happened on moderate scales many times in American history. And it happens on a small scale everyday when laws are passed and enforced that violate individual will.
man this whole "we must have guns... its our right" is utterly fucking pathetic... its a right granted by men... bog standard men.. not some god who came down and decreed and then fucked off... we have no rights other than the ones we made up for ourselves... and these rights can be unmade... it used to be a "right" to own a slave... got rid of that one... and we'll get rid of the gun one... quite simply
If you have "no other rights other than the ones we made up for ourselves", then the root of all rights is force, my friend. If a right is only what I can extract from you via coersion or violence, it isn't me who needs to be justifying guns.
Meaning #1: an anticipated outcome that is intended or that guides your planned actions
Synonyms: intent, intention, aim, design
Meaning #2: what something is used for
Synonyms: function, role, use
Meaning #3: the quality of being determined to do or achieve something
Synonym: determination
The verb purpose has 2 meanings:
Meaning #1: propose or intend
Synonyms: aim, purport, propose
Meaning #2: reach a decision
Synonym: resolve
You're not talking straight. You said you had a main point in the original post I replied to. You said the "purpose of guns was to kill". I disagreed by saying that guns don't have a purpose, they have a function. It is the purpose of the person holding the gun, or driving the car, that propels the function. It is more than semantics, it is the truth.
Ok. I'll change my statement to simply "they are not made up".
I'm not interested in "countering someone else carrying a gun". I'm interested in having the right to buy whatever I'd like from whomever wishes to sell it to me.
I know you're not. You're defending gun ownership for those who say guns are evil and wrong and enforce laws as such.
I've never claimed that I have a gun to defend me against you. You're finding circular logic only by putting words in my mouth.
OK, glad we put the first point to bed... :rolleyes:
You can't buy whatever you want, that's anarchy talk again... there are restrictions on certain things for good reasons, like they are dangerous and not in the best interest of society as a whole to be available to all. Yes I know the world isn't perfect and this is abused but you don't solve this by taking away all the restrictions you do it by fixing the system.
There will always be guns yes I accept that but they shouldn't be widely available to the general public, the whole point of a civilised society is that people are put in positions of responsibility for the good of the rest of society. You apparently distrust yours so much that you feel the need to be protected from them or use this as an excuse to arm yourself.
Nit-picking again, you claim the only way for you to give up guns is for "others" to have them and then use that as the very argument for keeping yours, sorry but circular, if it's not, show me the circumstances in which you would give up your gun...
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Actually, the Koresh incidence is proof of the government attacking and killing it's own people.
Because Koresh along with his followers were upstanding citizens??? I understand there were innocent victims but this whole sect was rife with peodophiles, etc....
You're not talking straight. You said you had a main point in the original post I replied to. You said the "purpose of guns was to kill". I disagreed by saying that guns don't have a purpose, they have a function. It is the purpose of the person holding the gun, or driving the car, that propels the function. It is more than semantics, it is the truth.
oh sweet fuckin jesus...
what's the "purpose" of the shooter...?
is that better lady...? honestly, did you not understand...? I really don't get what your saying or why you're saying...anyway, thanks for proofing my post...it's made things more clear...then again...
by the way, I give, uncle...you win...
what's the function of guns....? do you feel better, can we move on...
i'm not here to agree or dissagree about the gun debate ,but after this latest massacre something good has to come from it no ?? i mean change the law in some way as to make it hard for anyone who wan'ts to purchase a gun it should be mandatory/law that you have to have a license to carry/buy a weapon, no please don't tell me those that were murdered died and nothing will come of it ,that would be a shame the goverment owes these family's that no???.........
Because Koresh along with his followers were upstanding citizens??? I understand there were innocent victims but this whole sect was rife with peodophiles, etc....
You can't have it both ways. Basically you're saying, well, it was wrong for the government to do, but what the hell, they were no good anyway. And you are also inferring that (since they were no good anyway), deadly force with firearms was ok, too.
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Huh? How many bombs, jets and nuclear weapons did they use on the "Mr Koresh" you mentioned below?
They will not take me down? Why do you assume that when you also assume that my gun will kill someone and when you propose such in the form of a law against guns, backed by the force of guns????
go and buy a heart then? or a baby... go out and buy plutonium and a book called "i hate the government and i want to kill them" by I.M. Afuckhead
then lets see how far " a right to free exchange" goes in a court of law
How difficult?
I did assume that you want to ban guns. If I told you I want to make it "very difficult" for a child to get an education, wouldn't you accuse me of banning public schools?
Hehe...so in other words it's hard to get one, illegal to own one, but it's not a ban?
Guns are already tracked via a database. Treating bullets like prescriptions would be pointless since pretty much anyone can get any prescription drug they need today, plus what would take the place of the doctor's discretion here?
Not very far. Let's see, however, how many guns exist behind that court of law.
Citing bad law to justify more bad law doesn't really help your case here.
oooh, I love semantics...it makes things fun...!!!
thanks for the tip, professor....my thesaurus says they are interchangeable...anyhoo, I hope you understood my main point...
Sorry but your first point has totally lost me
If no-one had the guns then they couldn't stop you from exchanging freely could they, your only argument to carry a gun is to counter someone else carrying a gun, so no-one carries them or you do your absolute most to restrict access, problem over or severely minimised...
I have no defence for gun ownership in the general public. I'm not defending it.
Your question is circular so I can't answer it, you claim the only way to stop you having a gun is to have one myself but that you have a gun to defend you against me having one... can't you see the lunacy in the argument and that fact that you can never put down your guns with that approach?
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Everytime a law is passed that is not in my best interest.
Hehe...this coming from the guy who wants to ban guns because he's afraid of them. Nice.
There is a difference.
What is your main point?
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412...
i thought you meant "take me down" in terms of the general populace of america forming its beloved miltia against the govt... if you have aspirations to become Koreshian then go ahead...
they wont ever ever attack the population of america... your govt that is.. it will never happen... so having arms to form a militia is utterly pointless... pointless in the respect that you'd never defeat your own army..
man this whole "we must have guns... its our right" is utterly fucking pathetic... its a right granted by men... bog standard men.. not some god who came down and decreed and then fucked off... we have no rights other than the ones we made up for ourselves... and these rights can be unmade... it used to be a "right" to own a slave... got rid of that one... and we'll get rid of the gun one... quite simply
ok, then, let's do this..since you think guns are safe little toys....perhaps we should give every little boy and girl a gun when they begin 1st grade...since we can't look to other ideas, and since some can't take a step back from the argument long enough to think, rather they like to break one idea down to a several small ones...I bet by this time, you've already had an answer mapped out for a response...
so, how about give guns to 1st graders...they can start collecting and skeet shooting....sound good...?
Actually, the Koresh incidence is proof of the government attacking and killing it's own people.
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Ok. I'll change my statement to simply "they are not made up".
I'm not interested in "countering someone else carrying a gun". I'm interested in having the right to buy whatever I'd like from whomever wishes to sell it to me.
I know you're not. You're defending gun ownership for those who say guns are evil and wrong and enforce laws as such.
I've never claimed that I have a gun to defend me against you. You're finding circular logic only by putting words in my mouth.
nice that you can laugh when 32 people are lying dead... people are scared of guns... i'm scared of wasps... so what?
you live in fear of your government, criminals, other people with guns basically... the only thing i live in fear of is Simple Red releasing new albums and perhaps leaving an unflushable shit in the office toilet...oh and wasps
I don't think that. Guns are quite dangerous and certainly aren't toys.
If you wish to pay for this, knock yourself out.
If you have 1st graders and want to give them guns, I completely support your right to do so. If you don't want to give your 1st graders guns, I completely support your tight to do that as well.
does it matter, professor....? do you really care...?
from here: http://www.answers.com/purpose&r=67
The noun purpose has 3 meanings:
Meaning #1: an anticipated outcome that is intended or that guides your planned actions
Synonyms: intent, intention, aim, design
Meaning #2: what something is used for
Synonyms: function, role, use
Meaning #3: the quality of being determined to do or achieve something
Synonym: determination
The verb purpose has 2 meanings:
Meaning #1: propose or intend
Synonyms: aim, purport, propose
Meaning #2: reach a decision
Synonym: resolve
Actually, the Virginia Tech incidence is proof of the gun owning maniacs attacking and killing it's own people.
Not really. It all depends on the law. I follow street laws to protect my safety. I follow tax laws for the reasons you mentioned above. I break other laws because I know the consequences are outweighed by the benefits.
I have no interest in "going completely doolally" with a gun.
so what's your issue...you don't seem to care one way or another...? why are you in this discussion...?
you are missing the point. if guns were 100% banned for civilians, whats from stopping government to turn rogue and use their guns against the people. extremely unlikely? yes but I dont want government to have that much power
I dont fear anything. except a few crazy ex-girlfriends. and life couldnt be better
I don't have those aspirations.
It happened once on a mass scale during the Civil War. It has happened on moderate scales many times in American history. And it happens on a small scale everyday when laws are passed and enforced that violate individual will.
If you have "no other rights other than the ones we made up for ourselves", then the root of all rights is force, my friend. If a right is only what I can extract from you via coersion or violence, it isn't me who needs to be justifying guns.
huh? there is no reason for guns to be used against the government. why would there be?
No, I don't care if you buy guns for some kids.
I'm for full rights of gun production, sale, and ownership. That's where I am.
You're not talking straight. You said you had a main point in the original post I replied to. You said the "purpose of guns was to kill". I disagreed by saying that guns don't have a purpose, they have a function. It is the purpose of the person holding the gun, or driving the car, that propels the function. It is more than semantics, it is the truth.
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OK, glad we put the first point to bed... :rolleyes:
You can't buy whatever you want, that's anarchy talk again... there are restrictions on certain things for good reasons, like they are dangerous and not in the best interest of society as a whole to be available to all. Yes I know the world isn't perfect and this is abused but you don't solve this by taking away all the restrictions you do it by fixing the system.
There will always be guns yes I accept that but they shouldn't be widely available to the general public, the whole point of a civilised society is that people are put in positions of responsibility for the good of the rest of society. You apparently distrust yours so much that you feel the need to be protected from them or use this as an excuse to arm yourself.
Nit-picking again, you claim the only way for you to give up guns is for "others" to have them and then use that as the very argument for keeping yours, sorry but circular, if it's not, show me the circumstances in which you would give up your gun...
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oh sweet fuckin jesus...
what's the "purpose" of the shooter...?
is that better lady...? honestly, did you not understand...? I really don't get what your saying or why you're saying...anyway, thanks for proofing my post...it's made things more clear...then again...
by the way, I give, uncle...you win...
what's the function of guns....? do you feel better, can we move on...
You can't have it both ways. Basically you're saying, well, it was wrong for the government to do, but what the hell, they were no good anyway. And you are also inferring that (since they were no good anyway), deadly force with firearms was ok, too.
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Usually, the shooter takes aim at a target.
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