Do you believe in fate?

deadnothingbetter · August 2007

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

You'll have to show it here then...so far nothing...

well, help me out here... .what is it that you don't understand? if you really want to know

RolandTD20Kdrummer · August 2007

deadnothingbetter wrote:

well, help me out here... .what is it that you don't understand? if you really want to know

Nothing on my part...it's about your not understanding and/or disagreeing. The writing is already on the wall (above).

RolandTD20Kdrummer · August 2007

deadnothingbetter wrote:

that doesn't make sense.

yeah, we get horny.... just cause we get horny doesn't mean that it's fate and any person we bang will produce a child..... chances are you will, chances are you won't

chances were fair and square that i might've not been born... if my father were faithful to his wife.

chances are that a bird will fly over a baseball stadium and poop on an old man's bald head.... and the old man will go home grouchy thinking that it was bad luck, or if he's catholic, cause he didn't go to mass on sunday.

Why do you have preferences on what turns you on? Case and point.

deadnothingbetter · August 2007

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Why do you have preferences on what turns you on? Case and point.

last time i heard, almost any guy will screw a girl who's willing if he's horny enough... i don't think it had anything to do with what turned him on.... this still doesnt' make sense.

deadnothingbetter · August 2007

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Nothing on my part...it's about your not understanding and/or disagreeing. The writing is already on the wall (above).

well, i said i believe in God... but i don't believe in fate.

i don't believe he [god] chooses what happens or doesn't happen.

that's it, easy to understand. i understand it but you're the one who's questioning it. so i'm assuming you're not understanding something.

Pearler · August 2007

Fate to me is about one thing and one thing only..... death. Fate is the one and only event that is going to happen absolutely without a doubt, its unavoidable and death is that one thing. Do I believe in fate ? sure.

I also believe in destiny.

And angels.

Destiny is completely different, its similar to fate except you cannot guarantee anything to be destined. But it happens because it is meant to, theres a reason for everything, we just dont always know why. You only know your destiny after the fact and more often than not we reach a "destination" only after a chain of unrelated events, which happen somewhere out there in the universe. All these events, miraculously create unforseen circumstances for us, in our lives which we only then know as destiny. And destiny can be good or bad.

I believe we all have guardian angels, some may be unaware, some may just say its BS, but those angels direct and manipulate these chains of events in order to reach an outcome. Sometimes these outcomes are requested by believing types, sometimes certain outcomes are reached because the ascended masters and their teams of hard working road tripping angels deem it necesary.

The book is deffinately written for each and every one of us. Theres just no way to be able to read it as you go.

That would probably suck anyway.

RolandTD20Kdrummer · August 2007

deadnothingbetter wrote:

last time i heard, almost any guy will screw a girl who's willing if he's horny enough... i don't think it had anything to do with what turned him on.... this still doesnt' make sense.

So you do not see that you are limited to the confines of this physical reality?

If not, where do you think you are you getting it from? and where is that coming from and etc and etc...? How far out do you think the bible goes beyond "god"?

So you're saying there is a limit to the "universe" and god is it as it was written?

hmm

sounds like mankinds flat earth pre water travel theory to me. We all know Where that went.

You have little choice in what you desire...whether you realize it or not. Not only that...but the series of individual choices based on perception of stimulus that lead you up to the actual event plays a huge part. On top of that....it's not one sided btw..there are two parties (people) involved.

You're still not thinking about it closely and realistically enough.

angelica · August 2007

deadnothingbetter wrote:

well, i said i believe in God... but i don't believe in fate.

i don't believe he [god] chooses what happens or doesn't happen.

that's it, easy to understand. i understand it but you're the one who's questioning it. so i'm assuming you're not understanding something.

I agree with you. God or the underlying Source of all universal forces and laws set all kinds of variables dynamics and laws into place. And he vested us as the ones to choose within that framework. We operate within his laws and will, but he does not choose for us--that's our freedom. Our position is sacred. Not one of our choices can ever be taken back--they ring on eternally. We act out the potential of God. God is a power that does not seek a personal agenda. God is pure inclusive Love and Love, only. We are the ones who act out such universal Force, or Source, individually and subjectively, as we act out this energy through our lives and our choices. I'm humbled by this honour.

Galaxie2X4 · September 2007

angelica wrote:

I agree with you. God or the underlying Source of all universal forces and laws set all kinds of variables dynamics and laws into place. And he vested us as the ones to choose within that framework. We operate within his laws and will, but he does not choose for us--that's our freedom. Our position is sacred. Not one of our choices can ever be taken back--they ring on eternally. We act out the potential of God. God is a power that does not seek a personal agenda. God is pure inclusive Love and Love, only. We are the ones who act out such universal Force, or Source, individually and subjectively, as we act out this energy through our lives and our choices. I'm humbled by this honour.

Whatever helps you sleep through the night.

angelica · September 2007

Galaxie2X4 wrote:

Whatever helps you sleep through the night.

You don't have a challenge based on reason?

RolandTD20Kdrummer · September 2007

Say for example....the big bang. Before what we can observe...it was another...and yet another (and another)... big bang (somewhere) ongoing forever before us. Time is irrelevant. A human construct. A supernova will wash over all of this and erase everything here....and again..and again....forever. Encompassing.

We have no real concept of time...only the here and now. It all follows a pattern...no matter how we are able to perceive it...it just happens, and we are circumstance to it.

We have no choice in what we are from every last cell in our bodies ...it all came from somewhere before us...it was all pre-determined.

We are comprised of dust from stars in an endless sequence of renewal....in an endless sequence of immense explosions that do not have a beginning or an end.

Energy is never lost....not in the tiniest fraction...it only moves around from here to there....again and again....forever. Infinity.

Always has been...always will be. We can observe infinity...therefore it exists. It's not a question. We cannot observe nothingness....EVER... therefore nothinigness does not....nor has ever existed.

This needs to be realized. In order for something to be truly be nothing....it can never then suddenly become something...otherwise it was not truly nothing to begin with. Nothing=nothing=nothing...not one atom can exist within it. Therefore creation (or something) from nothing is a complete impossibility.

This is a very paramount concept ...and it's yes or no fact.

therefore "creation" as a point in time from complete nothingness is man made fallacy on paper....a fairy tale for the sake of the number zero on paper...

nothing more...nothing less..

Galaxie2X4 · September 2007

angelica wrote:

You don't have a challenge based on reason?

What is reasonable or rational about the existence of a God that has never been or never will be seen, heard from, or observed directly. Most scientists would agree that free will is an illusion, and in my opinion an illusion that helps folks like you sleep through the night. In fact most depressed individuals have realized that much is beyond their control and that is why they are depressed. Folks like myself understand that all animals, and yes human beings are animals too, are constrained by an evolutionary history that predisposes animals to think and behave in ways that increase chances of survival and reproduction. That said, the only arguments I can come up with to potentially support the notion of "free will" deal with suicide and intentional refusal to spread one's genes through reproduction.

This is not to say that randomness does not play a huge role in the unfolding of events, because it certainly does.

angelica · September 2007

Galaxie2X4 wrote:

What is reasonable or rational about the existence of a God that has never been or never will be seen, heard from, or observed directly. Most scientists would agree that free will is an illusion, and in my opinion an illusion that helps folks like you sleep through the night. In fact most depressed individuals have realized that much is beyond their control and that is why they are depressed. Folks like myself understand that all animals, and yes human beings are animals too, are constrained by an evolutionary history that predisposes animals to think and behave in ways that increase chances of survival and reproduction. That said, the only arguments I can come up with to potentially support the notion of "free will" deal with suicide and intentional refusal to spread one's genes through reproduction.

This is not to say that randomness does not play a huge role in the unfolding of events, because it certainly does.

I don't see you challenging something I've said specifically. I sounds like you are expressing your own view. Which, if you read my signature, exists alongside my own. And yet, you wanted to put down another opinion? Why is that?

Again, I'd love for you to challenge a specific point I've made. If you are satisfied sharing your own view alongside my own, fair enough.

deadnothingbetter · September 2007

Galaxie2X4 wrote:

Whatever helps you sleep through the night.

comments like this make you sound a bit arrogant

deadnothingbetter · September 2007

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

So you do not see that you are limited to the confines of this physical reality?

If not, where do you think you are you getting it from? and where is that coming from and etc and etc...? How far out do you think the bible goes beyond "god"?

So you're saying there is a limit to the "universe" and god is it as it was written?

hmm

sounds like mankinds flat earth pre water travel theory to me. We all know Where that went.

You have little choice in what you desire...whether you realize it or not. Not only that...but the series of individual choices based on perception of stimulus that lead you up to the actual event plays a huge part. On top of that....it's not one sided btw..there are two parties (people) involved.

You're still not thinking about it closely and realistically enough.

yes, i am limited to the "confines of the physical reality" but it doesn't make it an absolute.... as if just cos both my parents are diabetic, doesn't mean i will absolutly positively be a diabetic. i could decrease my chances of getting diabetes. just like my father could've decreased his chances of me not being born by not sleeping with my bio-mother.

and oh i am so looking at it more realistically than you think. i'm simply using common sense.

whether i have little choice, or not, (although i don't know what you really mean by it) i still have a choice. just like my father had a choice of keeping his "ahem" in his pants.... just that easily, i wouldn't have been born. sure there are stimulus that lead up to those events which is not limited to a two-way party, but what does that tell me? are you to say that if a couple meets that are sexually attracted to each other they will absolutely positively 100% without a doubt sleep with each other?

i personally don't think that there is a limit to the universe, but i'm really not sure what you're referring to. i have my beliefs... my beliefs are that there are no limitations when coming to know God. i just don't see how that makes people draw conclusions that everything is for a purpose... and everything was "meant to be" the way it is.

deadnothingbetter · September 2007

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Say for example....the big bang. Before what we can observe...it was another...and yet another (and another)... big bang (somewhere) ongoing forever before us. Time is irrelevant. A human construct. A supernova will wash over all of this and erase everything here....and again..and again....forever. Encompassing.

We have no real concept of time...only the here and now. It all follows a pattern...no matter how we are able to perceive it...it just happens, and we are circumstance to it.

We have no choice in what we are from every last cell in our bodies ...it all came from somewhere before us...it was all pre-determined.

We are comprised of dust from stars in an endless sequence of renewal....in an endless sequence of immense explosions that do not have a beginning or an end.

Energy is never lost....not in the tiniest fraction...it only moves around from here to there....again and again....forever. Infinity.

Always has been...always will be. We can observe infinity...therefore it exists. It's not a question. We cannot observe nothingness....EVER... therefore nothinigness does not....nor has ever existed.

This needs to be realized. In order for something to be truly be nothing....it can never then suddenly become something...otherwise it was not truly nothing to begin with. Nothing=nothing=nothing...not one atom can exist within it. Therefore creation (or something) from nothing is a complete impossibility.

This is a very paramount concept ...and it's yes or no fact.

therefore "creation" as a point in time from complete nothingness is man made fallacy on paper....a fairy tale for the sake of the number zero on paper...

nothing more...nothing less..

sure.... we didn't have a choice being put here on earth.... yeah, i can see it that way. that the universe, basically, or technically, predetermined us to be where we are. but it bothers me when someone begins to pick and knit every piece of their lives and start adding and matching it to the stars and the universe. sorta like the horoscope.... that's bullshit, man... i don't buy that.... i don't even buy that God intended for everything to be the way it is. i don't believe that he chose you and i to be speaking. there's a thin line between all of this... we have to use common sense.

callen · September 2007

fate is fantasy.....not that that's a bad thing.....what ever works..not trying to be sarcastic

deadnothingbetter · September 2007

Galaxie2X4 wrote:

What is reasonable or rational about the existence of a God that has never been or never will be seen, heard from, or observed directly. Most scientists would agree that free will is an illusion, and in my opinion an illusion that helps folks like you sleep through the night. In fact most depressed individuals have realized that much is beyond their control and that is why they are depressed. Folks like myself understand that all animals, and yes human beings are animals too, are constrained by an evolutionary history that predisposes animals to think and behave in ways that increase chances of survival and reproduction. That said, the only arguments I can come up with to potentially support the notion of "free will" deal with suicide and intentional refusal to spread one's genes through reproduction.

This is not to say that randomness does not play a huge role in the unfolding of events, because it certainly does.

yes, randomness, exactly. and it's randomness that allows us to chose who we are.

how does it work? how could anything ever choose for me? i choose for myself.... all these things are idealisms and perceptions. they are not fact.

angelica · September 2007

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

We have no choice in what we are from every last cell in our bodies ...it all came from somewhere before us...it was all pre-determined.

We are comprised of dust from stars in an endless sequence of renewal....in an endless sequence of immense explosions that do not have a beginning or an end.

Energy is never lost....not in the tiniest fraction...it only moves around from here to there....again and again....forever. Infinity.

Always has been...always will be. We can observe infinity...therefore it exists. It's not a question. We cannot observe nothingness....EVER... therefore nothinigness does not....nor has ever existed.

This needs to be realized. In order for something to be truly be nothing....it can never then suddenly become something...otherwise it was not truly nothing to begin with. Nothing=nothing=nothing...not one atom can exist within it. Therefore creation (or something) from nothing is a complete impossibility.

This is a very paramount concept ...and it's yes or no fact.

therefore "creation" as a point in time from complete nothingness is man made fallacy on paper....a fairy tale for the sake of the number zero on paper...

nothing more...nothing less..

So on one hand, you see us as an unescapable part of "what is"... of the universe. And then you say we don't have choice at all? If it's all predetermined, and no amount of energy is every lost...aren't we all One with whatever does the predetermining?

callen · September 2007

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Time is irrelevant. A human construct.

We have no real concept of time...only the here and now. It all follows a pattern...no matter how we are able to perceive it...it just happens, and we are circumstance to it.

..

humans aren't able to process the here...only their perception of the past and their guess towards the future....there is no here and how....

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