Angelica, illness is bad. If it's not for you then that's great, but illness creates suffering and suffering is never good. AND some illness is so bad that no amount of centering our brains is going to change the fact that we do not want to suffer or die. If you're ok with that then I'm happy for you but this is not the case for millions of people around the world and no amount of contemplating our navels is going to change that.
Suffering doesn't feel good. It's an alarm bell. How do we respond to the alarm bell? We try to shut if off. We want to cover it up. Make it go away. Cut it out. Medicate it out of existence.
Imagine you're driving in your car and your oil light goes off...what do you do? Why...doesn't everyone get out of the car and dismantle the oil light? Afterall, it's bad that something happens to our car.
No wonder our cars end up grinding to a halt, then, sometime in the near future.
Because something does not feel good does not mean it's "bad". It means we think it's bad.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
well hope you never get it then, because I'd hate for you to go through the head fuck of knowing you did it to yourself.
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what a load of crap. a person chooses to get leukemia cause it makes that person's body aligned with being "at-one with the universe"
oookay....someone's delusions are getting the better of their them....or would it be that her delusional brain is perfectly aligned with being at-one with the universe?
what a load of crap. a person chooses to get leukemia cause it makes that person's body aligned with being "at-one with the universe"
oookay....someone's delusions are getting the better of their them....or would it be that her delusional brain is perfectly aligned with being at-one with the universe?
Are you saying a person with lukemia, that their body exists separately from the universe we live in?
I said their body is operating exactly aligned with all the natural forces around it. Do you disagree?
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Are you saying a person with lukemia, that their body exists separately from the universe we live in?
I said their body is operating exactly aligned with all the natural forces around it. Do you disagree?
I think that you live in your own universe where you can delude yourself into thinking that people bring illness onto themselves
I think that the univese doesn't give a flying fuck who gets cancer, and as it can occur naturally inside the body....it doesn't have fuck all to do with so-called natural forces
I think that you live in your own universe where you can delude yourself into thinking that people bring illness onto themselves
I think that the univese doesn't give a flying fuck who gets cancer, and as it can occur naturally inside the body....it doesn't have fuck all to do with so-called natural forces
So you don't think that human bodies operate by the laws of the universe that everything else does?
You don't think human bodies are part of nature?
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Suffering doesn't feel good. It's an alarm bell. How do we respond to the alarm bell? We try to shut if off. We want to cover it up. Make it go away. Cut it out. Medicate it out of existence.
Imagine you're driving in your car and your oil light goes off...what do you do? Why...doesn't everyone get out of the car and dismantle the oil light? Afterall, it's bad that something happens to our car.
No wonder our cars end up grinding to a halt, then, sometime in the near future.
Because something does not feel good does not mean it's "bad". It means we think it's bad.
Well I really think you're starting to talk in absolutes here. You are saying that we all want to shut it off and cover it up and medicate it out of existence. I don't think that's correct either. There are no absolutes. Everyone is individual.
If I am in pain or suffering then I would want to alleviate that pain and end that suffering to the best of my ability, either with or without medical intervention. And the same applies to anyone else that I see suffering. I would want to end their suffering and alleviate their pain IF they do not wish to be suffering and they wanted my help.
If the oil light goes on in my car it gets taken to the mechanic. If I suffer pain then I go to the doctor. If neither of these specialists can rectify the situation then I seek alternatives until I have a solution because I do not want my car blowing up because it doesn't have enough oil, just as I do not want to die because of something that could be stopped if I sought medical attention. I don't think I'm unusual there. Seems a fairly standard response.
AND sometimes there is nothing that can be done. The car is cactus, a person is going to die regardless of whether they want to or choose to or not.
Just because something feels good doesn't mean that it is. AND just because someone else thinks something is bad/good doesn't mean it is. We could go on and on here about what is, and what isn't. What is imagined, manifested or fact. But just because you feel that you have reached a pinnacle of enlightenment does not mean that other people have the time, inclination or the belief that this would also benefit them. We are all different. To say that pain isn't bad may be a correct belief in your world but it's not in mine and I'm quite sure it's not in many other people's lives.
Well I really think you're starting to talk in absolutes here. You are saying that we all want to shut it off and cover it up and medicate it out of existence. I don't think that's correct either. There are no absolutes. Everyone is individual.
If I am in pain or suffering then I would want to alleviate that pain and end that suffering to the best of my ability, either with or without medical intervention. And the same applies to anyone else that I see suffering. I would want to end their suffering and alleviate their pain IF they do not wish to be suffering and they wanted my help.
If the oil light goes on in my car it gets taken to the mechanic. If I suffer pain then I go to the doctor. If neither of these specialists can rectify the situation then I seek alternatives until I have a solution because I do not want my car blowing up because it doesn't have enough oil, just as I do not want to die because of something that could be stopped if I sought medical attention. I don't think I'm unusual there. Seems a fairly standard response.
AND sometimes there is nothing that can be done. The car is cactus, a person is going to die regardless of whether they want to or choose to or not.
Just because something feels good doesn't mean that it is. AND just because someone else thinks something is bad/good doesn't mean it is. We could go on and on here about what is, and what isn't. What is imagined, manifested or fact. But just because you feel that you have reached a pinnacle of enlightenment does not mean that other people have the time, inclination or the belief that this would also benefit them. We are all different. To say that pain isn't bad may be a correct belief in your world but it's not in mine and I'm quite sure it's not in many other people's lives.
Obviously you think pain is bad. Do you think your body is bad when it causes you pain?
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
of couse human bodies are part of nature, as are cat and zebra bodies.
however if it were simply a matter of operating by the laws of the universe, then every human, cat and zebra body would get leukemia
Okay, so you recognize that human bodies must operate by the laws of nature.
So when someone gets lukemia, do they temporarily slip out of the laws of nature, get sick, then slip back in? Or do you recognize that cancer happens within the natural laws of nature?
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
what a load of crap. a person chooses to get leukemia cause it makes that person's body aligned with being "at-one with the universe" ...
I find the argument that a person is able to mentally manifest illness either conciously or unconciously and also heal it because of their brain about as useful as a religious person telling me that God will decide or to trust in God.
If it works for you then great, but don't be thinking that it's the solution for all and therefore an opportunity to appropriate blame if that isn't the belief system that a person holds.
There are some people that appear to be able to heal themselves through the use of their minds and there is no doubt in my mind that some illness is brought on by a person's physical and mental health however, this is certainly NOT scientifically proven in all diseases or individual cases and one would have to wonder that it just get down to fate for some people. To say that a person brings disease to themselves and pain and suffering and death because they subconciously wanted it or weren't as "intune" with themselves is really offensive in my opinion. Probably more so than someone religious telling me I'm without morals because I'm an athiest.
If someone is ill, then they need to be cared for and nurtured and helped, not have theories about how they caused their own illness levelled at them.
I'd like to say that sometimes pain can be a hell of a lot of fun. Being spanked is one of those times, for me.
But when I'm driving along and my oil light flashes on my dashboard, I take my car to the nearest store and buy myself a pint of oil and pour it in and then get home and take my car to my trusted mechanic.
And when I am in enough pain over a toothache, I go to the dentist. When in enough pain over a sharp twinge in my chest or stomach, I go to my family doctor.
And when my emotions hurt, I talk it out with someone I love and trust.
Does this mean I am so in tune with my body that I know when I have a tumor growing somewhere that isn't causing any pain? No. Does this mean I am so in tune with my body that I can feel a vein getting restricted? No. Does this mean I am so in tune with my bones that I can feel when they no longer produce enough calcium? No. Is this my fault? No. Is it fate? No.
I find the argument that a person is able to mentally manifest illness either conciously or unconciously and also heal it because of their brain about as useful as a religious person telling me that God will decide or to trust in God.
If it works for you then great, but don't be thinking that it's the solution for all and therefore an opportunity to appropriate blame if that isn't the belief system that a person holds.
There are some people that appear to be able to heal themselves through the use of their minds and there is no doubt in my mind that some illness is brought on by a person's physical and mental health however, this is certainly NOT scientifically proven in all diseases or individual cases and one would have to wonder that it just get down to fate for some people. To say that a person brings disease to themselves and pain and suffering and death because they subconciously wanted it or weren't as "intune" with themselves is really offensive in my opinion. Probably more so than someone religious telling me I'm without morals because I'm an athiest.
If someone is ill, then they need to be cared for and nurtured and helped, not have theories about how they caused their own illness levelled at them.
I hear your opinion, and I accept it. I understand you disagree.
I understand that you don't see what I do.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Obviously you think pain is bad. Do you think your body is bad when it causes you pain?
Explain to me what is good about endless, long term pain or excrutiating pain.
How many "choices" do those who suffer long term or excrutiating pain have?
I view pain as your body's way of saying something is not right. Because if we were meant to live with pain constantly we would and then it wouldn't be an issue would it? I don't think my "body is bad" when it causes me pain, I think something is wrong.
I'd like to say that sometimes pain can be a hell of a lot of fun. Being spanked is one of those times, for me.
But when I'm driving along and my oil light flashes on my dashboard, I take my car to the nearest store and buy myself a pint of oil and pour it in and then get home and take my car to my trusted mechanic.
And when I am in enough pain over a toothache, I go to the dentist. When in enough pain over a sharp twinge in my chest or stomach, I go to my family doctor.
And when my emotions hurt, I talk it out with someone I love and trust.
Does this mean I am so in tune with my body that I know when I have a tumor growing somewhere that isn't causing any pain? No. Does this mean I am so in tune with my body that I can feel a vein getting restricted? No. Does this mean I am so in tune with my bones that I can feel when they no longer produce enough calcium? No. Is this my fault? No. Is it fate? No.
I agree that the ego-self or our thoughts doesn't have conscious awareness of what is going on in the body for the most part.
I'm saying that what is going on in the body is regulated by our brains, and all kinds of other aspects of who we are, for example by our immune systems. Our bodies are performing natural and highly intelligent functions, even though we are completely unaware of that. And even when we think our bodies are "bad". And even when we hate our pain. We are never actually separate from our bodies, or from our tumours. Even when we imagine we are.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Explain to me what is good about endless, long term pain or excrutiating pain.
How many "choices" do those who suffer long term or excrutiating pain have?
I view pain as your body's way of saying something is not right. Because if we were meant to live with pain constantly we would and then it wouldn't be an issue would it? I don't think my "body is bad" when it causes me pain, I think something is wrong.
You said illness is bad. What if illness is in you? Does that mean part of you is bad?
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I see suffering and illness as functional, like all things in evolution or nature. If I saw it in absolutes, I'd see it as good or bad.
Illness and suffering are a part of life, but to say that they're not good or bad diminishes and negates those who are suffering. If you are ill and you're loving it, well great, good for you, but I don't know that there are too many people that do revel in their illness.
Oh you know it's just leukemia, you brought it on yourself and if you were enlightened you could fix it but I guess if you die it's because you chose not to.
I seriously have to wonder at your compassion here angelica. How can you not be empathetic and sympathetic to others when they are suffering?
Illness and suffering are a part of life, but to say that they're not good or bad diminishes and negates those who are suffering. If you are ill and you're loving it, well great, good for you, but I don't know that there are too many people that do revel in their illness.
I didn't say illness is "not good or bad". I fully appreciate that in people's experiences, the experience of illness can range from annoying to devastating or horrific.
Oh you know it's just leukemia, you brought it on yourself and if you were enlightened you could fix it but I guess if you die it's because you chose not to.
I seriously have to wonder at your compassion here angelica. How can you not be empathetic and sympathetic to others when they are suffering?
The fact remains that we are fully interconnected with our own bodies at all times. Do you deny that? Do you deny that we are always connected to natural laws?
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
You said illness is bad. What if illness is in you? Does that mean part of you is bad?
Of course a part of me is bad. There isn't a person alive that doesn't have good and bad in them.
Illness is in me and I didn't invite and I don't want it here but here it is. I share this space with it, begrudgingly most of the time, like a flatmate that you can't evict. I do my best to get along and be fair and reasonable but I'm tired of it dictating terms to me and no amount of meditation, holistic lifestyle or embracing the f**ker is going to change the fact that sometimes I'm not the boss of me, the illness is. So yeah, that part of me is bad.
Of course a part of me is bad. There isn't a person alive that doesn't have good and bad in them.
Illness is in me and I didn't invite and I don't want it here but here it is. I share this space with it, begrudgingly most of the time, like a flatmate that you can't evict. I do my best to get along and be fair and reasonable but I'm tired of it dictating terms to me and no amount of meditation, holistic lifestyle or embracing the f**ker is going to change the fact that sometimes I'm not the boss of me, the illness is. So yeah, that part of me is bad.
Okay, fair enough.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
For the record, I personally don't believe "bad" is in us even remotely. I believe we've been taught to think that. And then we give life to this idea of "bad" and lose touch with our truth, that is about just being neutral, like animals.
I believe that everything we do that seems bad is about how we were raised, or about our genetics and when we understand, we recognize there were perfectly understandable reasons for why we did absolutely everything.
For example, when we reach for the dirt in the plant when we are babies. Our parents scold us and call us bad. And really, we're just exploring--we're only bad based on their judgments. If they understood how natural it was for us to want to dig in the dirt, they'd have recognized our maturity level, and responded age-appropriately and directed us elsewhere without making us wrong.
When we heal our ideas of "bad", and come to forgive ourselves and understand our mistakes and errors, we come into the freedom of self-acceptance, wholeness and self-Love or Self-esteem. In otherwords, we achieve unity with ourselves.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I didn't say illness is "not good or bad". I fully appreciate that in people's experiences, the experience of illness can range from annoying to devastating or horrific.
So how then does it advance the situation by saying that people are responsible for getting their illness? Like shit, sometimes illness just happens. And people do what they can and are able to do when they are confronted with it. To say that they are able to magically, mentally "wish" it away, just as they manifested it, really seems like appropriating blame to me, given that sometimes there is no rhyme or reason for things.
The fact remains that we are fully interconnected with our own bodies at all times. Do you deny that? Do you deny that we are always connected to natural laws?
I don't know about "natural laws". Any "laws" always give me pause for consideration because I deem them arbitrary and I'm not one for blindly, or unfalteringly following anything. Yes, we are connected to our bodies but that doesn't mean we are always in charge of what they do.
For the record, I personally don't believe "bad" is in us even remotely. I believe we've been taught to think that. And then we give life to this idea of "bad" and lose touch with our truth, that is about just being neutral, like animals.
I believe that everything we do that seems bad is about how we were raised, or about our genetics and when we understand, we recognize there were perfectly understandable reasons for why we did absolutely everything.
For example, when we reach for the dirt in the plant when we are babies. Our parents scold us and call us bad. And really, we're just exploring--we're only bad based on their judgments. If they understood how natural it was for us to want to dig in the dirt, they'd have recognized our maturity level, and responded age-appropriately and directed us elsewhere without making us wrong.
When we heal our ideas of "bad", and come to forgive ourselves and understand our mistakes and errors, we come into the freedom of self-acceptance, wholeness and self-Love or Self-esteem. In otherwords, we achieve unity with ourselves.
I'd like to know whether you have kids or not. Whether a loved one close to you suffers from cancer or emphysema. Because I usually can read posts from holier-than-thou folks and either respond once with a pissed off statement, and then let it go, or not respond at all and then let it go. But something about your posts just gets under my skin, Angelica, and you're starting to piss me off.
Your posts come off as coming from that kid in the playground who says, "I know you are, but what am I?"
Your posts are getting added to threads that should've and could've stopped days ago, yet you increase the broadband width by giving us empty spaces of quotes and bold letters and yet you have nothing new to say. You just smugly sit back as if you have all the answers and you calmly bait one person after another, all the while having nothing new to say.
Tell you what? Why don't you respond to my new post here in the Train tonight rather than add a 12th page to a topic that has been completely mangled and misled by you when it should've and could've died a natural death with some dignity days ago?
Meantime, I'll go to bed. Because I'm sure your smarmy responses will be there in the morning.
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plans and ambitions i set out for myself in the future.
Why do you not eat breakfast now then? Can you put your finger on it directly?
yes, i can. cause i don't know how to cook. i can learn though....
Did you not like your mothers cooking?
yes, i did. well, some, not all.
If it's your conscious choice then you won't even have to think more that 1/2 a second to answer that.
what do you mean? that i didn't choose to like or dislike my mother's cooking?
Breakfast is the most important meal of the day...it affects your longevity...your life directly. If you don't know why exactly then why wouldn't you?
i got no idea what you're talking about here...
99.9% of the time people will answer "I'm not sure why".
i'm not even sure what you're talking about anymore
Some say they don't have time....why don't they? Waking up 30 mins earlier is not an option?...or is it that they do not desire to do that for some unexplainable reason? Too tired? Why? Get more sleep. Don't want to go to bed earlier? Why? What causes that? ...and so on. So many things people have no idea why...but they just "do" habitually.
my answer is cause i don't know how to cook.... but i could learn. which actually to be quite honest, i've bought myself a cook book.
See what I'm saying.
you might want to go over it with me again.... i'm a slow learner :(
There is a reason for that.
reasons that haven't been made clear to me
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
what point? plans and ambitions i set out for myself in the future. yes, i can. cause i don't know how to cook. i can learn though....
yes, i did. well, some, not all.what do you mean? that i didn't choose to like or dislike my mother's cooking? i got no idea what you're talking about here... i'm not even sure what you're talking about anymore
my answer is cause i don't know how to cook.... but i could learn. which actually to be quite honest, i've bought myself a cook book.
you might want to go over it with me again.... i'm a slow learner :(
reasons that haven't been made clear to me
So you are saying you have an answer and explanation for everything that has happened in your life so far, and everything that has resulted from it was/is from a conscious decision? You can explain it all.
Either you have a crystal ball, are God himself, or are perhaps not correct with that line of thought.
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I really love the Forrest Gump ending about this subject, and I think I agree with Forrest
Imagine you're driving in your car and your oil light goes off...what do you do? Why...doesn't everyone get out of the car and dismantle the oil light? Afterall, it's bad that something happens to our car.
No wonder our cars end up grinding to a halt, then, sometime in the near future.
Because something does not feel good does not mean it's "bad". It means we think it's bad.
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what a load of crap. a person chooses to get leukemia cause it makes that person's body aligned with being "at-one with the universe"
oookay....someone's delusions are getting the better of their them....or would it be that her delusional brain is perfectly aligned with being at-one with the universe?
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I said their body is operating exactly aligned with all the natural forces around it. Do you disagree?
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I think that you live in your own universe where you can delude yourself into thinking that people bring illness onto themselves
I think that the univese doesn't give a flying fuck who gets cancer, and as it can occur naturally inside the body....it doesn't have fuck all to do with so-called natural forces
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You don't think human bodies are part of nature?
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Well I really think you're starting to talk in absolutes here. You are saying that we all want to shut it off and cover it up and medicate it out of existence. I don't think that's correct either. There are no absolutes. Everyone is individual.
If I am in pain or suffering then I would want to alleviate that pain and end that suffering to the best of my ability, either with or without medical intervention. And the same applies to anyone else that I see suffering. I would want to end their suffering and alleviate their pain IF they do not wish to be suffering and they wanted my help.
If the oil light goes on in my car it gets taken to the mechanic. If I suffer pain then I go to the doctor. If neither of these specialists can rectify the situation then I seek alternatives until I have a solution because I do not want my car blowing up because it doesn't have enough oil, just as I do not want to die because of something that could be stopped if I sought medical attention. I don't think I'm unusual there. Seems a fairly standard response.
AND sometimes there is nothing that can be done. The car is cactus, a person is going to die regardless of whether they want to or choose to or not.
Just because something feels good doesn't mean that it is. AND just because someone else thinks something is bad/good doesn't mean it is. We could go on and on here about what is, and what isn't. What is imagined, manifested or fact. But just because you feel that you have reached a pinnacle of enlightenment does not mean that other people have the time, inclination or the belief that this would also benefit them. We are all different. To say that pain isn't bad may be a correct belief in your world but it's not in mine and I'm quite sure it's not in many other people's lives.
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of couse human bodies are part of nature, as are cat and zebra bodies.
however if it were simply a matter of operating by the laws of the universe, then every human, cat and zebra body would get leukemia
what part of nature are you? cause it seems like i'm trying to get across to a pile of rocks
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I see suffering and illness as functional, like all things in evolution or nature. If I saw it in absolutes, I'd see it as good or bad.
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So when someone gets lukemia, do they temporarily slip out of the laws of nature, get sick, then slip back in? Or do you recognize that cancer happens within the natural laws of nature?
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I find the argument that a person is able to mentally manifest illness either conciously or unconciously and also heal it because of their brain about as useful as a religious person telling me that God will decide or to trust in God.
If it works for you then great, but don't be thinking that it's the solution for all and therefore an opportunity to appropriate blame if that isn't the belief system that a person holds.
There are some people that appear to be able to heal themselves through the use of their minds and there is no doubt in my mind that some illness is brought on by a person's physical and mental health however, this is certainly NOT scientifically proven in all diseases or individual cases and one would have to wonder that it just get down to fate for some people. To say that a person brings disease to themselves and pain and suffering and death because they subconciously wanted it or weren't as "intune" with themselves is really offensive in my opinion. Probably more so than someone religious telling me I'm without morals because I'm an athiest.
If someone is ill, then they need to be cared for and nurtured and helped, not have theories about how they caused their own illness levelled at them.
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But when I'm driving along and my oil light flashes on my dashboard, I take my car to the nearest store and buy myself a pint of oil and pour it in and then get home and take my car to my trusted mechanic.
And when I am in enough pain over a toothache, I go to the dentist. When in enough pain over a sharp twinge in my chest or stomach, I go to my family doctor.
And when my emotions hurt, I talk it out with someone I love and trust.
Does this mean I am so in tune with my body that I know when I have a tumor growing somewhere that isn't causing any pain? No. Does this mean I am so in tune with my body that I can feel a vein getting restricted? No. Does this mean I am so in tune with my bones that I can feel when they no longer produce enough calcium? No. Is this my fault? No. Is it fate? No.
I understand that you don't see what I do.
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Explain to me what is good about endless, long term pain or excrutiating pain.
How many "choices" do those who suffer long term or excrutiating pain have?
I view pain as your body's way of saying something is not right. Because if we were meant to live with pain constantly we would and then it wouldn't be an issue would it? I don't think my "body is bad" when it causes me pain, I think something is wrong.
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I'm saying that what is going on in the body is regulated by our brains, and all kinds of other aspects of who we are, for example by our immune systems. Our bodies are performing natural and highly intelligent functions, even though we are completely unaware of that. And even when we think our bodies are "bad". And even when we hate our pain. We are never actually separate from our bodies, or from our tumours. Even when we imagine we are.
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You said illness is bad. What if illness is in you? Does that mean part of you is bad?
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Illness and suffering are a part of life, but to say that they're not good or bad diminishes and negates those who are suffering. If you are ill and you're loving it, well great, good for you, but I don't know that there are too many people that do revel in their illness.
Oh you know it's just leukemia, you brought it on yourself and if you were enlightened you could fix it but I guess if you die it's because you chose not to.
I seriously have to wonder at your compassion here angelica. How can you not be empathetic and sympathetic to others when they are suffering?
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Well ditto but perhaps it is you that doesn't see what I do?
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The fact remains that we are fully interconnected with our own bodies at all times. Do you deny that? Do you deny that we are always connected to natural laws?
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Can we then move on to other discussions, knowing that we all don't see what others see?
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Of course a part of me is bad. There isn't a person alive that doesn't have good and bad in them.
Illness is in me and I didn't invite and I don't want it here but here it is. I share this space with it, begrudgingly most of the time, like a flatmate that you can't evict. I do my best to get along and be fair and reasonable but I'm tired of it dictating terms to me and no amount of meditation, holistic lifestyle or embracing the f**ker is going to change the fact that sometimes I'm not the boss of me, the illness is. So yeah, that part of me is bad.
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Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
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Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
I believe that everything we do that seems bad is about how we were raised, or about our genetics and when we understand, we recognize there were perfectly understandable reasons for why we did absolutely everything.
For example, when we reach for the dirt in the plant when we are babies. Our parents scold us and call us bad. And really, we're just exploring--we're only bad based on their judgments. If they understood how natural it was for us to want to dig in the dirt, they'd have recognized our maturity level, and responded age-appropriately and directed us elsewhere without making us wrong.
When we heal our ideas of "bad", and come to forgive ourselves and understand our mistakes and errors, we come into the freedom of self-acceptance, wholeness and self-Love or Self-esteem. In otherwords, we achieve unity with ourselves.
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Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
So how then does it advance the situation by saying that people are responsible for getting their illness? Like shit, sometimes illness just happens. And people do what they can and are able to do when they are confronted with it. To say that they are able to magically, mentally "wish" it away, just as they manifested it, really seems like appropriating blame to me, given that sometimes there is no rhyme or reason for things.
I don't know about "natural laws". Any "laws" always give me pause for consideration because I deem them arbitrary and I'm not one for blindly, or unfalteringly following anything. Yes, we are connected to our bodies but that doesn't mean we are always in charge of what they do.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
I'd like to know whether you have kids or not. Whether a loved one close to you suffers from cancer or emphysema. Because I usually can read posts from holier-than-thou folks and either respond once with a pissed off statement, and then let it go, or not respond at all and then let it go. But something about your posts just gets under my skin, Angelica, and you're starting to piss me off.
Your posts come off as coming from that kid in the playground who says, "I know you are, but what am I?"
Your posts are getting added to threads that should've and could've stopped days ago, yet you increase the broadband width by giving us empty spaces of quotes and bold letters and yet you have nothing new to say. You just smugly sit back as if you have all the answers and you calmly bait one person after another, all the while having nothing new to say.
Tell you what? Why don't you respond to my new post here in the Train tonight rather than add a 12th page to a topic that has been completely mangled and misled by you when it should've and could've died a natural death with some dignity days ago?
Meantime, I'll go to bed. Because I'm sure your smarmy responses will be there in the morning.
*Note to everyone else -- forgive me for getting my back up. But....really!*
yes, i did. well, some, not all. what do you mean? that i didn't choose to like or dislike my mother's cooking? i got no idea what you're talking about here... i'm not even sure what you're talking about anymore
my answer is cause i don't know how to cook.... but i could learn. which actually to be quite honest, i've bought myself a cook book.
you might want to go over it with me again.... i'm a slow learner :(
reasons that haven't been made clear to me
So you are saying you have an answer and explanation for everything that has happened in your life so far, and everything that has resulted from it was/is from a conscious decision? You can explain it all.
Either you have a crystal ball, are God himself, or are perhaps not correct with that line of thought.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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