it cracks me up that people pull out arguments that they make sound definitive and factual when they're not even close to being that way. to deny someone's argument that it is all up to chance and coincidence because of 'god' or some 'cosmic force' is denying someone else's opinion based on an assumption that one of these things actually exist. now let's not get into a 'god's real/god's a lie!' thing because god knows that's when all the shit's going to fly. fact of the matter is this is a philisophical, theoretical discussion in which people need to dicuss why fate might or might not be a real, deciding factor in our lives. don't shut someone down because their opinion doesn't embody some sort of religious views you might have. if you've got some sort of documentation that god's real and knows our path, than feel free to let me know. and pleeeease don't waste any time quoting scripture or referring me to the bible or any other holy book. they have no more validity here than your own opinions do.
you really have to understand why i provided the scriptures in the first place.
and i'm assuming you're referring to me because i'm the only that's posted scriptures so far.
first of all, i'm not basing my beliefs strictly on the bible. (i mean, sure i am) but i'm not being vocal about it. that is to say, i'm not giving stupid reasons like "i believe in chance, because the bible says so."
secondly and most importantly, i provided the scriptures to show some other dude that most people think the bible mainly refers to fate and predestination. so i provided the scripture to show that it doesn't. hence, "time and chance happens to us all." see what i'm saying?
so now that we've got that settled.... the debate about God and his existence is an endless one. but in order to avoid further discussions and debunkings i'll quote coldplay:
And ah, when you work it out I'm worse than you
Yeah, when you work it out I wanted to
And ah, when you work out where to draw the line
Your guess is as good as mine
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
I don't believe time exists from God's perspective where everything is eternal. Therefore he knows the beginning and end, imo. I don't believe God chooses for us, but what's happening is pretty much a foregone conclusion, from what I see. I'm not sure, though, that's why I said I "kinda" believe in predestination. From our perspective, it all still hinges on what choices we make, always. Our choices and our lives are sacred, underneath the ugliness we hold to and believe in. I believe we currently exist in a beautiful Garden of Eden with so much potential and freedom and choice. Our lives are a great gift. The problem is most people don't see that--they see ugliness and they create ugliness where they go, and they hate/fear others because hate/fear is what they hold in their heart. For those who are willing to release the hate/fear and live in Love and acceptance, God is absolutely everywhere.
The bottom line is I think we are eternal. There IS no future except for in our imaginations for making plans. There is only now. Truth. Eternity.
I'm not sure I exactly understand the many biblical versions of predestination.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
ahhhhhhhhh...i didn't realize that this was going to be one of *those* threads; ya know, the ones where the op poses a question...but rather than actually wanting discussion really is ONLY looking for someone to post exactly what is in his/her head....complete agreement with their personal opinion...or they will simply attack your views.
sorry i missed the cues. seems to be WAY too many threads here that are all about 'agree with me or i'll tell you why you are oh so wrong'...rahter than looking for true discussion.
things is, you betcha...i absolutely believe my thoughts are my own choice. if they weren't, we wouldn't have anything original ever created, no original thought...so no new music, discoveries, art, etc. just b/c my brians biochemistry regulates my brain function...does not to me signify i had not have choice in what i think about. outside stimuli playing an important role, and sure.....one can 'choose' to clear their mind, redirect thought, etc.
as to emotions, i will concede they are much more difficult to control, much more primitive triggers to react to the outside world and thus have an 'emotional' response. none the less...i do believe it is still possible, and while i don't have any links/studies...and yep, too lazy to bother...i do believe learning of studies/experiements in relation to emotional response and control of emotional response.
that said, i think a lot of all *this* boils down to semantics. i see many discussing illness/disease...and while yes, some may stem from external factors, or some things within your control...oftentimes there is a predisposition to disease. is that fate? i never thought so....just genetics....and/or chance. if one wants to call that 'fate'...so be it. riht along with all the other predetermined factors of one's genetic make-up....personality, etc. as i've said, i don't consider any of 'that' fate....more like...you are who you are. starting with the point that who we are is a *given*....beyond that, i believe in choice. however, then it boils down to a discussion of semantics. thus, if you or anyone wants to truly believe that having an illness, or a propensity to being obese, etc...is fate...so be it. as i said, i see it as genetics. if genetic is part of fate...fine. it's just not how i view the world.
c'est la vie.
Well did you understand what I was saying then? Do you have a crystal ball or do you read tarot cards? because last time I checked nobody knows what the hell they are doing here on this spinning rock, or even how they got here.
So ok there you have it, if you needed telltale signs a little more clarified.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Well did you understand what I was saying then? Do you have a crystal ball or do you read tarot cards? because last time I checked nobody knows what the hell they are doing here on this spinning rock, or even how they got here.
So ok there you have it, if you needed telltale signs a little more clarified.
ahhh, i think i see where you're coming from now.
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
I don't believe time exists from God's perspective where everything is eternal. Therefore he knows the beginning and end, imo. I don't believe God chooses for us, but what's happening is pretty much a foregone conclusion, from what I see. I'm not sure, though, that's why I said I "kinda" believe in predestination. From our perspective, it all still hinges on what choices we make, always. Our choices and our lives are sacred, underneath the ugliness we hold to and believe in. I believe we currently exist in a beautiful Garden of Eden with so much potential and freedom and choice. Our lives are a great gift. The problem is most people don't see that--they see ugliness and they create ugliness where they go, and they hate/fear others because hate/fear is what they hold in their heart. For those who are willing to release the hate/fear and live in Love and acceptance, God is absolutely everywhere.
The bottom line is I think we are eternal. There IS no future except for in our imaginations for making plans. There is only now. Truth. Eternity.
I'm not sure I exactly understand the many biblical versions of predestination.
well, the most widely-believed concepts of predestination, which derived from the great John Calvin during or after the Great Awakening era. It basically teaches that through God's "all-knowing" plan, he chooses who goes to heaven and who doesn't. of course, there's a lot of theology involved so i don't want to get into that. but from what i can see, it seems you don't ascribe to those teachings.
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
Well did you understand what I was saying then? Do you have a crystal ball or do you read tarot cards? because last time I checked nobody knows what the hell they are doing here on this spinning rock, or even how they got here.
So ok there you have it, if you needed telltale signs a little more clarified.
so simply b/c we don't know the future...or the 'whys' of us being here...means everything that occurs in our lives is 'fate'....?
is THAT what you are saying? if so, sorry...still don't buy it. i do not believe we need to know the future or why we're here....to still have choice and chance...rather than so-called fate...be the rule of life. i do not believe the outcome of lives is 'predetermined. just b/c i can't predict the future doesn't mean it is all 'fated' to be. there is no way for either of us to prove it anyway....but yes, that's my thought on it.
"The psychological rule says that when an inner situation is not made conscious, it happens outside as fate. That is to say, when the individual remains undivided and does not become conscious of his inner opposite, the world must perforce act out the conflict and be torn into opposing halves."
By the psychologist C.G.Jung...
he's talking about the "animus*", ironically--our inner opposite.
"Indeed, the fate of the individual is largely dependent on unconscious factors." ~ C.G.Jung
We are unconscious of so many things, and then they appear to us as fate--from illness, to whom we love, etc.
*or anima
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
so simply b/c we don't know the future...or the 'whys' of us being here...means everything that occurs in our lives is 'fate'....?
is THAT what you are saying? if so, sorry...still don't buy it. i do not believe we need to know the future or why we're here....to still have choice and chance...rather than so-called fate...be the rule of life. i do not believe the outcome of lives is 'predetermined. just b/c i can't predict the future doesn't mean it is all 'fated' to be. there is no way for either of us to prove it anyway....but yes, that's my thought on it.
If we came from a point in time, then everything after that point follows a basic set of physical laws right down to every cell in our bodies.
It all (matter) interacts according to a specific pattern...even inside our heads, and how our heads produce thoughts themselves. We can't even fully perceive what is even really here around us with our senses, You say me, I say you. I am basing my evidence off physical tangible things, rather than a notion of something that has not ever been proven to exist.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
If we came from a point in time, then everything after that point follows a basic set of physical laws right down to every cell in our bodies.
It all (matter) interacts according to a specific pattern...even inside our heads, and how our heads produce thoughts themselves. We can't even fully perceive what is even really here around us with our senses, You say me, I say you. I am basing my evidence off physical tangible things, rather than a notion of something that has not ever been proven to exist.
and bully for you!
seriously..i hear ya...and yet, still unconvinced. as i said, bottomline...there is no way to 'prove' either pov, so yes.....i will politely, kindly, agree to disagree.
"We call the unconscious nothing, and yet it is a reality in potentia. The thought we shall think, the deed we shall do, even fate we shall lament tomorrow, all lie unconscious in us today. " ~C.G.Jung
This is why it's so important for people to overcome their life issues and get into regular contact with the "potentia" or potential we are unconsciously. We can align conscious and unconscious, and find wholeness, peace, and health. We can stop splitting the world into conflict.
Millions are already doing so.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Get in touch with your potentia and you'll see it's a choice. You'll see power and empowerment and the sacredness of BEing.
Get in touch with the vast majority of who you are which is unconscious for most, and integrate that part into conscious awareness as potential, and then you'll see how you direct fate at all times.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
no offense, though.... i might've meant it in a crude way.... but all in good humor.... or maybe bad...
where do calvinists get the idea of predestination anyway?
I know; no worries!
As for predestination, Calvinists get it mainly from Paul, such as in Romans 8 (as I think someone mentioned earlier in post), and even from some OT passages. If you are really interested, Lorraine Boettner has a book called "The Reformed Doctrine of Predestination". It has good information, whether or not you agree with what he says... Anyway, hope this helped. (I'm sure a quick Google search we help you more...)
and bully for you!
seriously..i hear ya...and yet, still unconvinced. as i said, bottomline...there is no way to 'prove' either pov, so yes.....i will politely, kindly, agree to disagree.
toe-may-toe
toe-mah-toe
Belief of invisible friend v.s. what is really here
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Belief of invisible friend v.s. what is really here
Well, I don't believe in the invisible friend. But I believe in my own power.
So I see it as belief in myself vs. taking the easy way out and making "determinism" my excuse for failure. "It's not my fault! It is the way it was supposed to be!"
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
I'd like to know whether you have kids or not. Whether a loved one close to you suffers from cancer or emphysema. Because I usually can read posts from holier-than-thou folks and either respond once with a pissed off statement, and then let it go, or not respond at all and then let it go. But something about your posts just gets under my skin, Angelica, and you're starting to piss me off.
Your posts come off as coming from that kid in the playground who says, "I know you are, but what am I?"
Your posts are getting added to threads that should've and could've stopped days ago, yet you increase the broadband width by giving us empty spaces of quotes and bold letters and yet you have nothing new to say. You just smugly sit back as if you have all the answers and you calmly bait one person after another, all the while having nothing new to say.
Tell you what? Why don't you respond to my new post here in the Train tonight rather than add a 12th page to a topic that has been completely mangled and misled by you when it should've and could've died a natural death with some dignity days ago?
Meantime, I'll go to bed. Because I'm sure your smarmy responses will be there in the morning.
*Note to everyone else -- forgive me for getting my back up. But....really!*
Well, I don't believe in the invisible friend. But I believe in my own power.
So I see it as belief in myself vs. taking the easy way out and making "determinism" my excuse for failure. "It's not my fault! It is the way it was supposed to be!"
It's not so much the way it's supposed to "be" rather than slight of favor. It's a really complicated topic to explain.
The best way I can describe it is walking against a slight breeze. It hardly makes one exhausted to walk against a breeze, however the consequence still remains. It is very slight or "weak", per se, but continually persistent.
Kinda like how gravity works, and how it is considered a weak but ever present force that we are committed to (or encompassed by) but are not necessarily forced to obey at any given moment in time.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
No need to be sorry cate!
I agree that cause and effect exists but I make space for fate too, just because as you know I'm a fence sitter, and I don't know everything!
well jeanie, as you know i'm not a fence sitter. nor do i know everything. however...
i just think when people talk about something being fate, what they're talking about is they just can't see the cause and therefore the effect to them is unexplainable. hence fate.
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take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
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I think what I've come to understand of Angelica is that she loves the written word. Matter of fact, I think she's told us all that she's writing a book. So, I don't think of her posts as psychobabble anymore so much as I used to. She is fiction in motion. She is a writer in motion.
I think what I've come to understand of Angelica is that she loves the written word. Matter of fact, I think she's told us all that she's writing a book. So, I don't think of her posts as psychobabble anymore so much as I used to. She is fiction in motion. She is a writer in motion.
Just my 2 cents.
so she's a writer of psychobabble that writes in circular manic motion *yawn*
Get in touch with your potentia and you'll see it's a choice. You'll see power and empowerment and the sacredness of BEing.
Get in touch with the vast majority of who you are which is unconscious for most, and integrate that part into conscious awareness as potential, and then you'll see how you direct fate at all times.
you know what angelica. i am so in touch with who i am that if i truly listened to myself i would be dead. so for me my conscious and unconscious potential is a weapon. i know it's there and i have to ignore it for my semi well being.
so don't sit there and sprout your pseudo spiritual bs like it's applicable to us all. believe it or not a lot of us already are aware of who we really are and for some of us, we don't like it. so go hum and click your finger cymbals somewhere else and back the hell off. we are not all the same.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
you know what angelica. i am so in touch with who i am that if i truly listened to myself i would be dead. so for me my conscious and unconscious potential is a weapon. i know it's there and i have to ignore it for my semi well being.
so don't sit there and sprout your pseudo spiritual bs like it's applicable to us all. believe it or not a lot of us already are aware of who we really are and for some of us, we don't like it. so go hum and click your finger cymbals somewhere else and back the hell off. we are not all the same.
You are aware of yourself, except for the parts you are projecting on me, apparently.
That's the whole point about our unconscious. When things "outside us" bother us and "get to" us, it indicates our inner rejected self. Anything that holds any power over us shows our unempowerment. It seems my bringing up these subjects sure triggers the inner unconscious psyches of certain people on this board. When people blame me for their own anger/frustration, etc. that shows they are not conscious of their own issues.
When we heal our inner conflicts, who we are emerges peaceful. Who we Truly are is never about the chaos. The weapon parts, the chaos, anger and frustration we see is about what has happened to us and what needs healing. It's what keeps us from who we are.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
You are aware of yourself, except for the parts you are projecting on me, apparently.
That's the whole point about our unconscious. When things "outside us" bother us and "get to" us, it indicates our inner rejected self. Anything that holds any power over us shows our unempowerment. It seems my bringing up these subjects sure triggers the inner unconscious psyches of certain people on this board. When people blame me for their own anger/frustration, etc. that shows they are not conscious of their own issues.
When we heal our inner conflicts, who we are emerges peaceful. Who we Truly are is never about the chaos. The weapon parts, the chaos, anger and frustration we see is about what has happened to us and what needs healing. It's what keeps us from who we are.
Seriously, you need a hobby! :rolleyes:
Or a bloody degree so you can go torment some other poor suckers with your righteous psychoanalyzing. There's nothing wrong with cate's concious or subconcious as far as I can see, she was pretty much on the money. And before you get all up in the air about her projecting on to you, perhaps go take a long hard look in the mirror. This thread is littered with you projecting onto other people. And on that note I'm done here.
I really only came to the thread to introduce Ahnimus to Skyhooks, which clearly he needed to know about and other than that I've really found it just another mental masturbation session from you.
Or a bloody degree so you can go torment some other poor suckers with your righteous psychoanalyzing. There's nothing wrong with cate's concious or subconcious as far as I can see, she was pretty much on the money. And before you get all up in the air about her projecting on to you, perhaps go take a long hard look in the mirror. This thread is littered with you projecting onto other people. And on that note I'm done here.
I really only came to the thread to introduce Ahnimus to Skyhooks, which clearly he needed to know about and other than that I've really found it just another mental masturbation session from you.
Isn't it interesting how many people are upset by someone's opinion. Why does one person's opinion upset or "torment" so many people? It's an opinion.
Why are people giving one opinion so much power to affect them so negatively? Why are people identifying with one person's opinion and obviously hooking into it, rather than accept it as is....as an opinion that merely exists, like all opinions? Why can't people live and let live? The answer is in the individual who becomes hooked--in their subconscious.
The answer is certainly not in the opinion itself. The opinion, itself, does not decide who hooks into it and who becomes emotionally irritated. That decision is made unconsciously within the individual who experiences the agitation.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
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and i'm assuming you're referring to me because i'm the only that's posted scriptures so far.
first of all, i'm not basing my beliefs strictly on the bible. (i mean, sure i am) but i'm not being vocal about it. that is to say, i'm not giving stupid reasons like "i believe in chance, because the bible says so."
secondly and most importantly, i provided the scriptures to show some other dude that most people think the bible mainly refers to fate and predestination. so i provided the scripture to show that it doesn't. hence, "time and chance happens to us all." see what i'm saying?
so now that we've got that settled.... the debate about God and his existence is an endless one. but in order to avoid further discussions and debunkings i'll quote coldplay:
And ah, when you work it out I'm worse than you
Yeah, when you work it out I wanted to
And ah, when you work out where to draw the line
Your guess is as good as mine
Easy, friend; there might be a Calvinist on the board...(like myself)!
By the way, do you mean Ecclesiastes 9:11?
no offense, though.... i might've meant it in a crude way.... but all in good humor.... or maybe bad...
where do calvinists get the idea of predestination anyway?
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The bottom line is I think we are eternal. There IS no future except for in our imaginations for making plans. There is only now. Truth. Eternity.
I'm not sure I exactly understand the many biblical versions of predestination.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Well did you understand what I was saying then? Do you have a crystal ball or do you read tarot cards? because last time I checked nobody knows what the hell they are doing here on this spinning rock, or even how they got here.
So ok there you have it, if you needed telltale signs a little more clarified.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
so simply b/c we don't know the future...or the 'whys' of us being here...means everything that occurs in our lives is 'fate'....?
is THAT what you are saying? if so, sorry...still don't buy it. i do not believe we need to know the future or why we're here....to still have choice and chance...rather than so-called fate...be the rule of life. i do not believe the outcome of lives is 'predetermined. just b/c i can't predict the future doesn't mean it is all 'fated' to be. there is no way for either of us to prove it anyway....but yes, that's my thought on it.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
By the psychologist C.G.Jung...
he's talking about the "animus*", ironically--our inner opposite.
"Indeed, the fate of the individual is largely dependent on unconscious factors." ~ C.G.Jung
We are unconscious of so many things, and then they appear to us as fate--from illness, to whom we love, etc.
*or anima
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
If we came from a point in time, then everything after that point follows a basic set of physical laws right down to every cell in our bodies.
It all (matter) interacts according to a specific pattern...even inside our heads, and how our heads produce thoughts themselves. We can't even fully perceive what is even really here around us with our senses, You say me, I say you. I am basing my evidence off physical tangible things, rather than a notion of something that has not ever been proven to exist.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
and bully for you!
seriously..i hear ya...and yet, still unconvinced. as i said, bottomline...there is no way to 'prove' either pov, so yes.....i will politely, kindly, agree to disagree.
toe-may-toe
toe-mah-toe
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
This is why it's so important for people to overcome their life issues and get into regular contact with the "potentia" or potential we are unconsciously. We can align conscious and unconscious, and find wholeness, peace, and health. We can stop splitting the world into conflict.
Millions are already doing so.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Get in touch with the vast majority of who you are which is unconscious for most, and integrate that part into conscious awareness as potential, and then you'll see how you direct fate at all times.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
I know; no worries!
As for predestination, Calvinists get it mainly from Paul, such as in Romans 8 (as I think someone mentioned earlier in post), and even from some OT passages. If you are really interested, Lorraine Boettner has a book called "The Reformed Doctrine of Predestination". It has good information, whether or not you agree with what he says... Anyway, hope this helped. (I'm sure a quick Google search we help you more...)
Aaron
Belief of invisible friend v.s. what is really here
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Well, I don't believe in the invisible friend. But I believe in my own power.
So I see it as belief in myself vs. taking the easy way out and making "determinism" my excuse for failure. "It's not my fault! It is the way it was supposed to be!"
yet pathetically she's on page 14 of psychobabble
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No need to be sorry cate!
I agree that cause and effect exists but I make space for fate too, just because as you know I'm a fence sitter, and I don't know everything!
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
It's not so much the way it's supposed to "be" rather than slight of favor. It's a really complicated topic to explain.
The best way I can describe it is walking against a slight breeze. It hardly makes one exhausted to walk against a breeze, however the consequence still remains. It is very slight or "weak", per se, but continually persistent.
Kinda like how gravity works, and how it is considered a weak but ever present force that we are committed to (or encompassed by) but are not necessarily forced to obey at any given moment in time.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
well jeanie, as you know i'm not a fence sitter. nor do i know everything. however...
i just think when people talk about something being fate, what they're talking about is they just can't see the cause and therefore the effect to them is unexplainable. hence fate.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
I think what I've come to understand of Angelica is that she loves the written word. Matter of fact, I think she's told us all that she's writing a book. So, I don't think of her posts as psychobabble anymore so much as I used to. She is fiction in motion. She is a writer in motion.
Just my 2 cents.
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so she's a writer of psychobabble that writes in circular manic motion *yawn*
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she has her highs and lows.
don't we all?
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you know what angelica. i am so in touch with who i am that if i truly listened to myself i would be dead. so for me my conscious and unconscious potential is a weapon. i know it's there and i have to ignore it for my semi well being.
so don't sit there and sprout your pseudo spiritual bs like it's applicable to us all. believe it or not a lot of us already are aware of who we really are and for some of us, we don't like it. so go hum and click your finger cymbals somewhere else and back the hell off. we are not all the same.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
That's the whole point about our unconscious. When things "outside us" bother us and "get to" us, it indicates our inner rejected self. Anything that holds any power over us shows our unempowerment. It seems my bringing up these subjects sure triggers the inner unconscious psyches of certain people on this board. When people blame me for their own anger/frustration, etc. that shows they are not conscious of their own issues.
When we heal our inner conflicts, who we are emerges peaceful. Who we Truly are is never about the chaos. The weapon parts, the chaos, anger and frustration we see is about what has happened to us and what needs healing. It's what keeps us from who we are.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Seriously, you need a hobby! :rolleyes:
Or a bloody degree so you can go torment some other poor suckers with your righteous psychoanalyzing. There's nothing wrong with cate's concious or subconcious as far as I can see, she was pretty much on the money. And before you get all up in the air about her projecting on to you, perhaps go take a long hard look in the mirror. This thread is littered with you projecting onto other people. And on that note I'm done here.
I really only came to the thread to introduce Ahnimus to Skyhooks, which clearly he needed to know about and other than that I've really found it just another mental masturbation session from you.
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Why are people giving one opinion so much power to affect them so negatively? Why are people identifying with one person's opinion and obviously hooking into it, rather than accept it as is....as an opinion that merely exists, like all opinions? Why can't people live and let live? The answer is in the individual who becomes hooked--in their subconscious.
The answer is certainly not in the opinion itself. The opinion, itself, does not decide who hooks into it and who becomes emotionally irritated. That decision is made unconsciously within the individual who experiences the agitation.
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