but that's a whole other thing now.... it doesn't mean that my will is taken away. it's like what i editted, which i suggest you read through again....
true... i'm predisposed to getting fat if i eat cheeseburgers every single day. that, i can accept. what i can't accept is if you're going to tell me that i have no choice whatsoever and that i ate a cheeseburger because my ancestor from spain liked cheeseburgers. that wouldn't even make sense...
You're zoomed in too far on the particulars far to actually see the big picture.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
ok, then great prophet roland, what's the big picture?
Judging by your condescending tone...that is for now a situation for you to figure out. I'll give you nothing for that. Your ball of wax to figure out and understand. If you think you already know it all...well..lol
What I've said so far is all 100% true and indisputable.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Judging by your condescending tone...that is for now a situation for you to figure out. I'll give you nothing for that. Your ball of wax to figure out and understand. If you think you already know it all...well..lol
What I've said so far is all 100% true and indisputable.
my condescending tone? relax dude.... geez. all of a sudden everybody is sensitive here.
i'm a fairly nice guy... i try to keep my mind as open as i can, that's why i keep coming here. and yes i'd like to understand, which i thought i did. seriously, i thought i did. and i was about to start agreeing with you and giving you, i guess, the benefit of the doubt... but now you're telling me that i'm "ball of wax" y quien sabe que dude.
if all you say is 100% true and indisputable... i never said it wasn't. maybe it's the facts that you use that you misinterpret... i dunno... but that's why we're here. to converse and discuss these things.
you sound like me when i was in my late teens when i tried to tell people about jesus and when i couldn't get around i'd leave them and say, "well, it's up to you to figure out for yourself. god bless you." haha j/k
i'm willing to work with you if you work with me too.
amigos, bra?
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
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quote=deadnothingbetter]my condescending tone? relax dude.... geez. all of a sudden everybody is sensitive here.
i'm a fairly nice guy... i try to keep my mind as open as i can, that's why i keep coming here. and yes i'd like to understand, which i thought i did. seriously, i thought i did. and i was about to start agreeing with you and giving you, i guess, the benefit of the doubt... but now you're telling me that i'm "ball of wax" y quien sabe que dude.
if all you say is 100% true and indisputable... i never said it wasn't. maybe it's the facts that you use that you misinterpret... i dunno... but that's why we're here. to converse and discuss these things.
you sound like me when i was in my late teens when i tried to tell people about jesus and when i couldn't get around i'd leave them and say, "well, it's up to you to figure out for yourself. god bless you." haha j/k
i'm willing to work with you if you work with me too.
i believe in chances and choices and opportunities and what each individual makes of those powerful drivers. that equates to "fate"
don't tell me it is a beggar's "fate" to end up homeless!!!!!!!!!!!!
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"Call me Ishmael. Some years ago- never mind how long precisely- having little or no money in my purse, and nothing particular to interest me on shore, I thought I would sail about a little and see the watery part of the world." Herman Melville : Moby Dick
Ok but what about seemingly random events? Isn't life what happens when you're busy making other plans? Sure we make choices about the future and our lives in general but sometimes things happen that have nothing to do with us making choices, sometimes things happen because of other people's choices and sometimes things just happen. Let us not forget "Shit Happens".
yes this is true. but still the result is due to SOMEONE'S choice(s).
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Choice only seems free. It's not free from the laws of the universe.
That seems to be where the misunderstanding is.
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Choice only seems free. It's not free from the laws of the universe.
That seems to be where the misunderstanding is.
You weren't interested in hearing the religious view that I pointed to in wikipedia, on free-will. People believe they are created by the Universal Source, and they believe that given the variables of who they are and of their life, often including a perception of the predetermined will of this Universal Source, that the Source does not personally choose. The source gives us this power to choose. To religious people, God not choosing for us is free-will. (as identified by wikipedia)
You were uninterested in hearing the religious view and appreciating how reasonable it actually is at base, because you minimized it as ludicrous prior to understanding it.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
No, never. Because believing in fate would mean accepting that someday a person might find out a way to see in the future. And even if Ahnimus ends up being right and the universe decides for us there is no way someone will ever manage all the variables to see that future... unless that someone is actually god.
Maybe the universe planed it all out for us, but this is far beyond our grasp, so I'll take the credit for both my rise and fall rather than dropping it on some vague notion.
however, i do believe in the 'everything happens for a reason' philosophy...that perhaps, given the choices we make...certain things occur, both good and bad...and while we might not be able to understand the 'whys' of it...the possible benefit...there is, somewhere.
i believe life is what you make it...and it's all about CHOICE. sure, we are all born at fixed points in time, in a particular place, to particular people and circumstances...but none the less, your life is your own...to take it where you may. and where you go and who you interact with....well, it's all 'right'..where you are supposed to be and do....EVERYthing, even the 'mistakes'...are a part of your journey.
so if that is somehow linked with some semblance of the idea of 'fate'...then perhaps.
Some people here think everything in life is a choice. If so, why do you suppose people choose to do the things they do. Chance?
Do you not think everyone wishes to be wealthy, free, attractive, popular, in execllent shape, healthy, live to 120 yrs old, etc?
What do you suppose is it called when someone can not realistically accomplish these goals, or why it is easy for some and not for others?
What would one call that then?
Being able to choose what you want for breakfast is not fate...why you chose what you eat for breakfast is getting warmer.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
1. The inevitable or necessary fate to which a particular person or thing is destined; one's lot.
2. A predetermined course of events considered as something beyond human power or control: "Marriage and hanging go by destiny" Robert Burton.
3. The power or agency thought to predetermine events: Destiny brought them together.
Do you believe that you create (and are ultimately responsible for) your circumstances in life (barring genetics) past birth?
Or do you switch back and forth as various circumstances arise to challenge you?
Frankly, I don't know what to believe.
I like to think that we have some influence on how our lives turn out, but some of the most significant happenings in my life (my son being born autistic for example) I had absolutely no control over. So, I am torn about whether or not we have that much influence in the largest picture.
I think it's our habitual decisions piling up that make our lives head in one direction or another though...
Some people here think everything in life is a choice. If so, why do you suppose people choose to do the things they do. Chance?
Do you not think everyone wishes to be wealthy, free, attractive, popular, in execllent shape, healthy, live to 120 yrs old, etc?
What do you suppose is it called when someone can not realistically accomplish these goals, or why it is easy for some and not for others?
What would one call that then?
Being able to choose what you want for breakfast is not fate...why you chose what you eat for breakfast is getting warmer.
um...you are who you are, firstly. you cannot change who you are, your basic make-up...what you look like, your propensity to being built a certain way, looking a certain way, having specific aptitudes. if you want to call that 'fate'...go for it.
however, beyond the very constraints of who you are...it is stil a choice. one can work VERY hard to change their aptitudes, do better, etc. no, you can't make yourself attractive without plastic surgery if that's your issue, but you can learn to accept who you are. in regards to being wealthy....while sure, many of us would LIKE to be wealthy, many of us are unwilling to do the work, or the types of work to become wealthy. i know i have no interest in any of the fields that predictably could lead to wealth. so yea, i am unwilling to that...but sure, if i won lotto would be cool. i'll take bing comfortable and fairly succssful. so sure, people may *want* many things...but sure, most of it still is choice.
i conceeded in my post above that who you are born to, where, all of that we have no control over. so if you want to think of being born to wealthy parents as 'fate'....ok, i just see it as a lucky beginning. i still believe overall your life is your on to make choices with. sure, there are the confines of who you are...where you are....etc......but oh so many rise above, and many sink below...their birthplace in the world. so yea...i just don't see it as 'fate.'
Some people here think everything in life is a choice. If so, why do you suppose people choose to do the things they do. Chance?
chance and the randomness of life has nothing to do with our choice. they aren't tied in any way. my decisions are my decisions... and chance, randomness, or even fate has no power over it.
Do you not think everyone wishes to be wealthy, free, attractive, popular, in execllent shape, healthy, live to 120 yrs old, etc?
What do you suppose is it called when someone can not realistically accomplish these goals, or why it is easy for some and not for others?
What would one call that then?
well, to be accurate, everyone is able to be wealthy, free, attractive, popular, in excellent shape, healthy, and maybe even live to 120 years.... the point is, chances are they will, chances are they won't.
see, i want to be a filmmaker... i want to make films, get rich, maybe famous, and whatnot, right? but... given the opportunities that happen it may come and it may not come. but at least i have a decision to make that when the opportunity comes, i can either take it or leave it.
i still have the power to change my mind at what i want to do for the future, you know.
everything is inconclusive from your point of view.... it's just the way you look at things. but it's much more accurate and much rather likely that all things happen at random.
Being able to choose what you want for breakfast is not fate...why you chose what you eat for breakfast is getting warmer.
when i lived at home my mother made me flour tortillas, eggs, chorizo and sometimes refried beans with coffee. now that i live alone.... i don't eat breakfast.
at what point can you pick and choose when fate is taking place? it makes no sense.
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
um...you are who you are, firstly. you cannot change who you are, your basic make-up...what you look like, your propensity to being built a certain way, looking a certain way, having specific aptitudes. if you want to call that 'fate'...go for it.
however, beyond the very constraints of who you are...it is stil a choice. one can work VERY hard to change their aptitudes, do better, etc. no, you can't make yourself attractive without plastic surgery if that's your issue, but you can learn to accept who you are. in regards to being wealthy....while sure, many of us would LIKE to be wealthy, many of us are unwilling to do the work, or the types of work to become wealthy. i know i have no interest in any of the fields that predictably could lead to wealth. so yea, i am unwilling to that...but sure, if i won lotto would be cool. i'll take bing comfortable and fairly succssful. so sure, people may *want* many things...but sure, most of it still is choice.
i conceeded in my post above that who you are born to, where, all of that we have no control over. so if you want to think of being born to wealthy parents as 'fate'....ok, i just see it as a lucky beginning. i still believe overall your life is your on to make choices with. sure, there are the confines of who you are...where you are....etc......but oh so many rise above, and many sink below...their birthplace in the world. so yea...i just don't see it as 'fate.'
ahh, the lotto... a perfect example of chance!
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
um...you are who you are, firstly. you cannot change who you are, your basic make-up...what you look like, your propensity to being built a certain way, looking a certain way, having specific aptitudes. if you want to call that 'fate'...go for it.
however, beyond the very constraints of who you are...it is stil a choice. one can work VERY hard to change their aptitudes, do better, etc. no, you can't make yourself attractive without plastic surgery if that's your issue, but you can learn to accept who you are. in regards to being wealthy....while sure, many of us would LIKE to be wealthy, many of us are unwilling to do the work, or the types of work to become wealthy. i know i have no interest in any of the fields that predictably could lead to wealth. so yea, i am unwilling to that...but sure, if i won lotto would be cool. i'll take bing comfortable and fairly succssful. so sure, people may *want* many things...but sure, most of it still is choice.
i conceeded in my post above that who you are born to, where, all of that we have no control over. so if you want to think of being born to wealthy parents as 'fate'....ok, i just see it as a lucky beginning. i still believe overall your life is your on to make choices with. sure, there are the confines of who you are...where you are....etc......but oh so many rise above, and many sink below...their birthplace in the world. so yea...i just don't see it as 'fate.'
And your thoughts and emotions as to what makes you think the way you do....all your choice I presume?
hmm...you'd be the first.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
chance and the randomness of life has nothing to do with our choice. they aren't tied in any way. my decisions are my decisions... and chance, randomness, or even fate has no power over it.
well, to be accurate, everyone is able to be wealthy, free, attractive, popular, in excellent shape, healthy, and maybe even live to 120 years.... the point is, chances are they will, chances are they won't.
see, i want to be a filmmaker... i want to make films, get rich, maybe famous, and whatnot, right? but... given the opportunities that happen it may come and it may not come. but at least i have a decision to make that when the opportunity comes, i can either take it or leave it.
i still have the power to change my mind at what i want to do for the future, you know.
everything is inconclusive from your point of view.... it's just the way you look at things. but it's much more accurate and much rather likely that all things happen at random.
when i lived at home my mother made me flour tortillas, eggs, chorizo and sometimes refried beans with coffee. now that i live alone.... i don't eat breakfast.
at what point can you pick and choose when fate is taking place? it makes no sense.
You're still missing the point. Why don't people do so if they can? What triggered you to leave home? Why do you not eat breakfast now then? Can you put your finger on it directly?
Did you not like your mothers cooking? If it's your conscious choice then you won't even have to think more that 1/2 a second to answer that. Breakfast is the most important meal of the day...it affects your longevity...your life directly. If you don't know why exactly then why wouldn't you? 99.9% of the time people will answer "I'm not sure why".
Some say they don't have time....why don't they? Waking up 30 mins earlier is not an option?...or is it that they do not desire to do that for some unexplainable reason? Too tired? Why? Get more sleep. Don't want to go to bed earlier? Why? What causes that? ...and so on. So many things people have no idea why...but they just "do" habitually.
See what I'm saying.
There is a reason for that.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
1. The inevitable or necessary fate to which a particular person or thing is destined; one's lot.
2. A predetermined course of events considered as something beyond human power or control: "Marriage and hanging go by destiny" Robert Burton.
3. The power or agency thought to predetermine events: Destiny brought them together.
Do you believe that you create (and are ultimately responsible for) your circumstances in life (barring genetics) past birth?
Or do you switch back and forth as various circumstances arise to challenge you?
I believe in a mix of both. Fate/God decides when and where I am born and die and for those affecting my life. Pretty much the in between is up to me, especially in how I react to events. I have full control over that.
Good question.
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Even Ahnimus believes we have a choice. He doesn't see it as independent of outside (or inside) factors, and neither do I. We always choose between options variables, and we get different outcomes based on which choice we make. Even if we're completely unconscious of our choice, we still choose.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Even Ahnimus believes we have a choice. He doesn't see it as independent of outside (or inside) factors, and neither do I. We always choose between options variables, and we get different outcomes based on which choice we make. Even if we're completely unconscious of our choice, we still choose.
alot comes down to fate, not everything comes down to choice.
for instance does a four year old child choose to get leukemia? it's not an option anyone of any age would choose...so there goes your "we always choose" bs
alot comes down to fate, not everything comes down to choice.
for instance does a four year old child choose to get leukemia? it's not an option anyone of any age would choose...so there goes your "we always choose" bs
That's what I think too prism. Yes we have choices but some things are not choices. Some things are fate. They just happen.
alot comes down to fate, not everything comes down to choice.
for instance does a four year old child choose to get leukemia? it's not an option anyone of any age would choose...so there goes your "we always choose" bs
We always choose from options, given the circumstances we meet with. I always acknowledge circumstances beyond our conscious control. People blamed me when I became mentally ill--like it was a character flaw. I knew that was nonsense.
We can choose what we think about our circumstances. We choose how we respond.
And besides, I do believe that when it happens, we choose to get lukemia, unconsciously, on a physical level. Beneath the surface of our ego awareness our body accepts the dynamics of lukemia, and being at-one with the universe, our body acts in perfect agreement/alignment with it, manifesting and acting out lukemia. I believe our bodies are always perfectly attuned to the universe. And that it all happens for exact reasons that on deeper levels we are attuned to.
It's our conscious awareness that is often detached and separated of all that.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
We always choose from options, given the circumstances we meet with. I always acknowledge circumstances beyond our conscious control. People blamed me when I became mentally ill--like it was a character flaw. I knew that was nonsense.
We can choose what we think about our circumstances. We choose how we respond.
And besides, I do believe that when it happens, we choose to get lukemia, unconsciously, on a physical level. Beneath the surface of our ego awareness our body accepts the dynamics of lukemia, and being at-one with the universe, our body acts in perfect agreement/alignment with it, manifesting and acting out lukemia. I believe our bodies are always perfectly attuned to the universe. And that it all happens for exact reasons that on deeper levels we are attuned to.
It's our conscious awareness that is often detached and separated of all that.
well hope you never get it then, because I'd hate for you to go through the head fuck of knowing you did it to yourself.
well hope you never get it then, because I'd hate for you to go through the head fuck of knowing you did it to yourself.
It's the mind that creates the idea that illness is bad in the first place. It's our judgment that it's bad. Just like it's our judgment that sun-burnt grass is bad.
When we become centred, instead of thinking we are our brains, we become aligned and at peace with our Selves. And ironically the conflict, pain and suffering dissipates. And we begin to recognize that it's our own conflict with "what is"--with reality as it is that causes our tension, stress, pain and discomfort.
Also, we have decided death is "bad". No wonder we get so indignant of the idea. Our egos think we are too grand to die or suffer, but life has other plans for us. And a big part of us is on board with that--it's our egos that are not on board. And we project that onto little children who are still centred and at peace, even if they are dying.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
It's the mind that creates the idea that illness is bad in the first place. It's our judgment that it's bad. Just like it's our judgment that sun-burnt grass is bad.
When we become centred, instead of thinking we are our brains, we become aligned and at peace with our Selves. And ironically the conflict, pain and suffering dissipates. And we begin to recognize that it's our own conflict with "what is"--with reality as it is that causes our tension, stress, pain and discomfort.
Also, we have decided death is "bad". No wonder we get so indignant of the idea. Our egos think we are too grand to die or suffer, but life has other plans for us. And a big part of us is on board with that--it's our egos that are not on board. And we project that onto little children who are still centred and at peace, even if they are dying.
Angelica, illness is bad. If it's not for you then that's great, but illness creates suffering and suffering is never good. AND some illness is so bad that no amount of centering our brains is going to change the fact that we do not want to suffer or die. If you're ok with that then I'm happy for you but this is not the case for millions of people around the world and no amount of contemplating our navels is going to change that.
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You're zoomed in too far on the particulars far to actually see the big picture.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Totaly Right !
Judging by your condescending tone...that is for now a situation for you to figure out. I'll give you nothing for that. Your ball of wax to figure out and understand. If you think you already know it all...well..lol
What I've said so far is all 100% true and indisputable.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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i'm a fairly nice guy... i try to keep my mind as open as i can, that's why i keep coming here. and yes i'd like to understand, which i thought i did. seriously, i thought i did. and i was about to start agreeing with you and giving you, i guess, the benefit of the doubt... but now you're telling me that i'm "ball of wax" y quien sabe que dude.
if all you say is 100% true and indisputable... i never said it wasn't. maybe it's the facts that you use that you misinterpret... i dunno... but that's why we're here. to converse and discuss these things.
you sound like me when i was in my late teens when i tried to tell people about jesus and when i couldn't get around i'd leave them and say, "well, it's up to you to figure out for yourself. god bless you." haha j/k
i'm willing to work with you if you work with me too.
amigos, bra?
quote=deadnothingbetter]my condescending tone? relax dude.... geez. all of a sudden everybody is sensitive here.
i'm a fairly nice guy... i try to keep my mind as open as i can, that's why i keep coming here. and yes i'd like to understand, which i thought i did. seriously, i thought i did. and i was about to start agreeing with you and giving you, i guess, the benefit of the doubt... but now you're telling me that i'm "ball of wax" y quien sabe que dude.
if all you say is 100% true and indisputable... i never said it wasn't. maybe it's the facts that you use that you misinterpret... i dunno... but that's why we're here. to converse and discuss these things.
you sound like me when i was in my late teens when i tried to tell people about jesus and when i couldn't get around i'd leave them and say, "well, it's up to you to figure out for yourself. god bless you." haha j/k
i'm willing to work with you if you work with me too.
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i believe in chances and choices and opportunities and what each individual makes of those powerful drivers. that equates to "fate"
don't tell me it is a beggar's "fate" to end up homeless!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Call me Ishmael. Some years ago- never mind how long precisely- having little or no money in my purse, and nothing particular to interest me on shore, I thought I would sail about a little and see the watery part of the world." Herman Melville : Moby Dick
yes this is true. but still the result is due to SOMEONE'S choice(s).
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
That seems to be where the misunderstanding is.
You were uninterested in hearing the religious view and appreciating how reasonable it actually is at base, because you minimized it as ludicrous prior to understanding it.
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Maybe the universe planed it all out for us, but this is far beyond our grasp, so I'll take the credit for both my rise and fall rather than dropping it on some vague notion.
however, i do believe in the 'everything happens for a reason' philosophy...that perhaps, given the choices we make...certain things occur, both good and bad...and while we might not be able to understand the 'whys' of it...the possible benefit...there is, somewhere.
i believe life is what you make it...and it's all about CHOICE. sure, we are all born at fixed points in time, in a particular place, to particular people and circumstances...but none the less, your life is your own...to take it where you may. and where you go and who you interact with....well, it's all 'right'..where you are supposed to be and do....EVERYthing, even the 'mistakes'...are a part of your journey.
so if that is somehow linked with some semblance of the idea of 'fate'...then perhaps.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
Do you not think everyone wishes to be wealthy, free, attractive, popular, in execllent shape, healthy, live to 120 yrs old, etc?
What do you suppose is it called when someone can not realistically accomplish these goals, or why it is easy for some and not for others?
What would one call that then?
Being able to choose what you want for breakfast is not fate...why you chose what you eat for breakfast is getting warmer.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
(")_(")
Frankly, I don't know what to believe.
I like to think that we have some influence on how our lives turn out, but some of the most significant happenings in my life (my son being born autistic for example) I had absolutely no control over. So, I am torn about whether or not we have that much influence in the largest picture.
I think it's our habitual decisions piling up that make our lives head in one direction or another though...
um...you are who you are, firstly. you cannot change who you are, your basic make-up...what you look like, your propensity to being built a certain way, looking a certain way, having specific aptitudes. if you want to call that 'fate'...go for it.
however, beyond the very constraints of who you are...it is stil a choice. one can work VERY hard to change their aptitudes, do better, etc. no, you can't make yourself attractive without plastic surgery if that's your issue, but you can learn to accept who you are. in regards to being wealthy....while sure, many of us would LIKE to be wealthy, many of us are unwilling to do the work, or the types of work to become wealthy. i know i have no interest in any of the fields that predictably could lead to wealth. so yea, i am unwilling to that...but sure, if i won lotto would be cool. i'll take bing comfortable and fairly succssful. so sure, people may *want* many things...but sure, most of it still is choice.
i conceeded in my post above that who you are born to, where, all of that we have no control over. so if you want to think of being born to wealthy parents as 'fate'....ok, i just see it as a lucky beginning. i still believe overall your life is your on to make choices with. sure, there are the confines of who you are...where you are....etc......but oh so many rise above, and many sink below...their birthplace in the world. so yea...i just don't see it as 'fate.'
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
well, to be accurate, everyone is able to be wealthy, free, attractive, popular, in excellent shape, healthy, and maybe even live to 120 years.... the point is, chances are they will, chances are they won't.
see, i want to be a filmmaker... i want to make films, get rich, maybe famous, and whatnot, right? but... given the opportunities that happen it may come and it may not come. but at least i have a decision to make that when the opportunity comes, i can either take it or leave it.
i still have the power to change my mind at what i want to do for the future, you know.
everything is inconclusive from your point of view.... it's just the way you look at things. but it's much more accurate and much rather likely that all things happen at random.
when i lived at home my mother made me flour tortillas, eggs, chorizo and sometimes refried beans with coffee. now that i live alone.... i don't eat breakfast.
at what point can you pick and choose when fate is taking place? it makes no sense.
and....it's still a CHOICE, as the saying goes...
you gotta be in it to win it.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
And your thoughts and emotions as to what makes you think the way you do....all your choice I presume?
hmm...you'd be the first.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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You're still missing the point. Why don't people do so if they can? What triggered you to leave home? Why do you not eat breakfast now then? Can you put your finger on it directly?
Did you not like your mothers cooking? If it's your conscious choice then you won't even have to think more that 1/2 a second to answer that. Breakfast is the most important meal of the day...it affects your longevity...your life directly. If you don't know why exactly then why wouldn't you? 99.9% of the time people will answer "I'm not sure why".
Some say they don't have time....why don't they? Waking up 30 mins earlier is not an option?...or is it that they do not desire to do that for some unexplainable reason? Too tired? Why? Get more sleep. Don't want to go to bed earlier? Why? What causes that? ...and so on. So many things people have no idea why...but they just "do" habitually.
See what I'm saying.
There is a reason for that.
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over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
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See now I would think not always cate and that's what I would call fate.
Things that just happen. Not because of choices but because they just happen.
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alot comes down to fate, not everything comes down to choice.
for instance does a four year old child choose to get leukemia? it's not an option anyone of any age would choose...so there goes your "we always choose" bs
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That's what I think too prism. Yes we have choices but some things are not choices. Some things are fate. They just happen.
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We can choose what we think about our circumstances. We choose how we respond.
And besides, I do believe that when it happens, we choose to get lukemia, unconsciously, on a physical level. Beneath the surface of our ego awareness our body accepts the dynamics of lukemia, and being at-one with the universe, our body acts in perfect agreement/alignment with it, manifesting and acting out lukemia. I believe our bodies are always perfectly attuned to the universe. And that it all happens for exact reasons that on deeper levels we are attuned to.
It's our conscious awareness that is often detached and separated of all that.
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well hope you never get it then, because I'd hate for you to go through the head fuck of knowing you did it to yourself.
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When we become centred, instead of thinking we are our brains, we become aligned and at peace with our Selves. And ironically the conflict, pain and suffering dissipates. And we begin to recognize that it's our own conflict with "what is"--with reality as it is that causes our tension, stress, pain and discomfort.
Also, we have decided death is "bad". No wonder we get so indignant of the idea. Our egos think we are too grand to die or suffer, but life has other plans for us. And a big part of us is on board with that--it's our egos that are not on board. And we project that onto little children who are still centred and at peace, even if they are dying.
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Angelica, illness is bad. If it's not for you then that's great, but illness creates suffering and suffering is never good. AND some illness is so bad that no amount of centering our brains is going to change the fact that we do not want to suffer or die. If you're ok with that then I'm happy for you but this is not the case for millions of people around the world and no amount of contemplating our navels is going to change that.
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