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  • fanch75
    fanch75 Posts: 3,734
    For our fantasy league this year, we introduced two new awards:

    - The "Thug Life Award" - $5 awarded when one of your players gets arrested.

    - The "Pac Man Jones 'Make It Rain!' Award" - $10 awarded (in ones) when one of your players gets arrested, and the incident included smacking a woman around
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  • chopitdown
    chopitdown Posts: 2,222
    With this guilty plea, it looks like everything he has said is going to come back and bite him. This will take a major chomp out of his career and put him in the doghouse with his fans.
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  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Any bets his career is pretty much over at this point?

    Lot's of dog owners out there that have dogs....this won't be forgotten for the rest of his life. It will follow him everywhere he goes. Kinda like OJ in a sense.

    This guy is one seriously sick and demented individual.
    I think that the whole Vick thing is a potential P.R. disaster of O.J. Simpson proproptions for the NFL.........his chances with the league in the future are slim and none.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    tybird wrote:
    I think that the whole Vick thing is a potential P.R. disaster of O.J. Simpson proproptions for the NFL.........his chances with the league in the future are slim and none.

    Nobody is going to sign him...whoever does, is going to get a mountain of hatred and controversy dumped on them, and you know how extreme and persistent the animal rights folks can be.

    I hope he made made all his money, because he's just a washed up freak show now.
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  • inmytree
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    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Any bets his career is pretty much over at this point?

    Lot's of dog owners out there that have dogs....this won't be forgotten for the rest of his life. It will follow him everywhere he goes. Kinda like OJ in a sense.

    This guy is one seriously sick and demented individual.

    I'd be willing to bet that he is starting for the Raiders next season...

    I'm pretty sure I'm in the minority here, but I think if he does is time or whatever punishment her gets, he should get a chance to come back....

    it's interesting to read some posts (not just here on the message pit), the anger and pure hatred for this guy...it's not like he killed somebody...
  • _Crazy_Mary_
    _Crazy_Mary_ Posts: 1,299
    Flannel Shirt wrote:
    He is a scumbag. He murdered animals, for the sake of fun and money.

    He should go to jail, the cocksucker. Really, what he did is evil. He bred and raised animals to fight to their deaths against other for the amusement of other humans, and tortured the ones to death (hang and drown) that couldnt perform for him.

    I almost said something really horrible right there and would probably have been banned for life, so all I'll say is I agree with you.
    I really screwed that up. I really Schruted it.
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    He killed many animals for enjoy and to run a gambling ring. Do you know how sick someone has to be to electricute or beat or hang an innosent animal? I'm not PETA member or something, but you have to be a sick individual to do these kind of things. Secondly, what he did was purely illegal - he broke many US laws, NFL codes of conducts and similar. He shouldn't be given another chance to play in any facet. Lastly, who in their right mind would honestly want to be rooting for someone who has acted like this? He has lived a priveledged life from the moment he left High School. Free college (in which he was reported of receiving illegal gifts), a $120 million dollar contract, tons of product deals.. and this is how he uses it? I expect he will either get a lifetime ban from the NFL, or get a sizable suspension (several yrs) in which case no one would want him when he is available because no one wants him as the face of their franchise because of how he has acted and how people will perceive it. And Vick deserves this kind of treatment (and it's not even that harsh) cause when he gets out of jail - he'll still be a millionaire. If you, I or any average Joe did something like this, our ENTIRE lives would be over. Long, serious jailtime and nothing waiting when we return... he has a gift and foresaked it for this idiocy and sick "hobby" and anything ruined in his life as a result is justice served.

    inmytree wrote:
    I'd be willing to bet that he is starting for the Raiders next season...

    I'm pretty sure I'm in the minority here, but I think if he does is time or whatever punishment her gets, he should get a chance to come back....

    it's interesting to read some posts (not just here on the message pit), the anger and pure hatred for this guy...it's not like he killed somebody...
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
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    inmytree wrote:
    I'd be willing to bet that he is starting for the Raiders next season...

    I'm pretty sure I'm in the minority here, but I think if he does is time or whatever punishment her gets, he should get a chance to come back....

    it's interesting to read some posts (not just here on the message pit), the anger and pure hatred for this guy...it's not like he killed somebody...

    kids and people in general look up to sports figures. Whoever tries to sign him should be reprimanded and fired for lack of moral compass.

    It's all pretty wrong to the core.
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  • tybird
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    inmytree wrote:
    I'd be willing to bet that he is starting for the Raiders next season...
    I strongly suspect that you would lose that bet. His year in the big house would be allowed to count as a year's suspension....but he will end up with more than a year's suspension. If he plead guilty to gambling....he's gone.
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  • ledbetteroregon
    ledbetteroregon Posts: 107
    fanch75 wrote:
    For our fantasy league this year, we introduced two new awards:

    - The "Thug Life Award" - $5 awarded when one of your players gets arrested.

    - The "Pac Man Jones 'Make It Rain!' Award" - $10 awarded (in ones) when one of your players gets arrested, and the incident included smacking a woman around

    haha good idea. i'll pass that one on to my fantasy commissioner.
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  • JD Sal
    JD Sal Posts: 790
    I despise what Mike Vick did as much as the next guy, but how can yall say he deserves a lifetime ban from the NFL for killing dogs when the league has allowed a player to return that actually killed a human being?

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-vickfuture082007&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

    "We've had a lot of people in this league do a lot of bad things, and they still got a chance," Wolf said. "Leonard Little killed someone (while drunk driving). Jamal Lewis went to prison (in connection to) selling drugs. Are you telling me that killing eight dogs is worse than killing a human being? … Yes, this is bad, but are you really telling me that he doesn't deserve a chance to play again when other people have committed crimes and come back?"
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  • Rushlimbo
    Rushlimbo Posts: 832
    fanch75 wrote:
    For our fantasy league this year, we introduced two new awards:

    - The "Thug Life Award" - $5 awarded when one of your players gets arrested.

    - The "Pac Man Jones 'Make It Rain!' Award" - $10 awarded (in ones) when one of your players gets arrested, and the incident included smacking a woman around

    I love this idea !! I'm gonna put this idea to a vote in our league ! Very nice ! Two nattys up !
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,000
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Nobody is going to sign him...whoever does, is going to get a mountain of hatred and controversy dumped on them, and you know how extreme and persistent the animal rights folks can be.

    I hope he made made all his money, because he's just a washed up freak show now.

    thats funny, i was going to say "the raiders would sign him" but someone beat me to it.

    i really hope this guy is banned for life because it will be such a black eye on the league if he is allowed to play again. someone will sign this guy when his suspension is finished, and the raiders are outlaw enough to do it. he will probably end up in the arena league or in europe or something.....say, when is he recording his rap album like artest and pacman and all the other guys that get busted??...
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,000
    JD Sal wrote:
    I despise what Mike Vick did as much as the next guy, but how can yall say he deserves a lifetime ban from the NFL for killing dogs when the league has allowed a player to return that actually killed a human being?

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-vickfuture082007&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

    "We've had a lot of people in this league do a lot of bad things, and they still got a chance," Wolf said. "Leonard Little killed someone (while drunk driving). Jamal Lewis went to prison (in connection to) selling drugs. Are you telling me that killing eight dogs is worse than killing a human being? … Yes, this is bad, but are you really telling me that he doesn't deserve a chance to play again when other people have committed crimes and come back?"

    i live in st louis and people still protest leonard little at rams games. i have been to a few games and he still gets booed in pregame introductions. i think he should be banned for what he did. a guy in my band knew the family of the woman that was killed. little finally apologized to her husband and children last year, but it has not been accepted from what i have been told. there is alot of anger there still. i think the outrage over vick will be 1000 times worse for the league than what little did since so many people are animal lovers and can empathize with the animals and the horror of the situation.
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  • JD Sal
    JD Sal Posts: 790
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    i live in st louis and people still protest leonard little at rams games. i have been to a few games and he still gets booed in pregame introductions. i think he should be banned for what he did. a guy in my band knew the family of the woman that was killed. little finally apologized to her husband and children last year, but it has not been accepted from what i have been told. there is alot of anger there still. i think the outrage over vick will be 1000 times worse for the league than what little did since so many people are animal lovers and can empathize with the animals and the horror of the situation.

    I'm sure a lot of us have driven drunk at least once in our lives and that one time could have resulted in a terrible tragedy like what happened in Little's situation. But he actually got a 2nd DUI shortly after he killed that poor woman, and sadly it got very little press coverage. There's absolutely no excuse for him to drink and drive again after what happened.

    The NFL set a bad precedent with the Little case. They shouldn't be able to ban Vick for life for killing dogs, however they may be able to do so for the gambling charges. I just wish people would gain a little perspective on this issue and remember those that were given a 2nd chance for committing worse crimes.
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  • blackredyellow
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    inmytree wrote:
    I'd be willing to bet that he is starting for the Raiders next season...

    I'm pretty sure I'm in the minority here, but I think if he does is time or whatever punishment her gets, he should get a chance to come back....

    If (which is a big "if") the league lets him back at some point down the road, I have no doubt that a team will sign him. While there will be some backlash, most of this hype will blow over by then, and someone will take a chance on him, I am positive of that.
    JD Sal wrote:
    I despise what Mike Vick did as much as the next guy, but how can yall say he deserves a lifetime ban from the NFL for killing dogs when the league has allowed a player to return that actually killed a human being?

    Yeah, but there was a different commissioner then, and Goodall has been pretty damn strict with punishments.
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  • tybird
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    JD Sal wrote:
    The NFL set a bad precedent with the Little case. They shouldn't be able to ban Vick for life for killing dogs, however they may be able to do so for the gambling charges.
    The gambling charges will be the coup de grace, especially if they are included in the plea bargain. The other factor is that Vick lied to the face of his owner and the current commissioner when asked of the charges in April. That fact is going to kill his case with the commissioner.
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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    FiveB247x wrote:
    He killed many animals for enjoy and to run a gambling ring. Do you know how sick someone has to be to electricute or beat or hang an innosent animal? I'm not PETA member or something, but you have to be a sick individual to do these kind of things. Secondly, what he did was purely illegal - he broke many US laws, NFL codes of conducts and similar. He shouldn't be given another chance to play in any facet. Lastly, who in their right mind would honestly want to be rooting for someone who has acted like this? He has lived a priveledged life from the moment he left High School. Free college (in which he was reported of receiving illegal gifts), a $120 million dollar contract, tons of product deals.. and this is how he uses it? I expect he will either get a lifetime ban from the NFL, or get a sizable suspension (several yrs) in which case no one would want him when he is available because no one wants him as the face of their franchise because of how he has acted and how people will perceive it. And Vick deserves this kind of treatment (and it's not even that harsh) cause when he gets out of jail - he'll still be a millionaire. If you, I or any average Joe did something like this, our ENTIRE lives would be over. Long, serious jailtime and nothing waiting when we return... he has a gift and foresaked it for this idiocy and sick "hobby" and anything ruined in his life as a result is justice served.

    please note, I'm in no way supporting Vick or is actions...I just happen to believe in second chances...

    did Vick do something horrible? yup...

    should he be punished...? yup...

    should have a right, like every person, to rebuild his life and move on...? yup...

    again, he didn't kill anyone...I'm pretty sure when people are eating their hamburgers, chicken sandwiches, and BLT's today, not one thought will go into how the animal was killed for their pleasure...

    it's ok for hunters to kill deer, bears, and grouse...all for pleasure...

    as I said, I'm not saying what vick did is ok...but if he were a fan of big game hunting, no one would care...

    I just happen to see some irony in this whole situation...and I think many dog lovers are blinded by their anger when addressing this situation....
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    kids and people in general look up to sports figures. Whoever tries to sign him should be reprimanded and fired for lack of moral compass.

    It's all pretty wrong to the core.

    so you say....which is fine and dandy...I just disagree...people can change and if he does, he should be treated just like you and me...
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    JD Sal wrote:
    I despise what Mike Vick did as much as the next guy, but how can yall say he deserves a lifetime ban from the NFL for killing dogs when the league has allowed a player to return that actually killed a human being?

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-vickfuture082007&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

    "We've had a lot of people in this league do a lot of bad things, and they still got a chance," Wolf said. "Leonard Little killed someone (while drunk driving). Jamal Lewis went to prison (in connection to) selling drugs. Are you telling me that killing eight dogs is worse than killing a human being? … Yes, this is bad, but are you really telling me that he doesn't deserve a chance to play again when other people have committed crimes and come back?"

    this is what I'm saying...good post...

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