I despise what Mike Vick did as much as the next guy, but how can yall say he deserves a lifetime ban from the NFL for killing dogs when the league has allowed a player to return that actually killed a human being?
"We've had a lot of people in this league do a lot of bad things, and they still got a chance," Wolf said. "Leonard Little killed someone (while drunk driving). Jamal Lewis went to prison (in connection to) selling drugs. Are you telling me that killing eight dogs is worse than killing a human being? … Yes, this is bad, but are you really telling me that he doesn't deserve a chance to play again when other people have committed crimes and come back?"
For our fantasy league this year, we introduced two new awards:
- The "Thug Life Award" - $5 awarded when one of your players gets arrested.
- The "Pac Man Jones 'Make It Rain!' Award" - $10 awarded (in ones) when one of your players gets arrested, and the incident included smacking a woman around
I love this idea !! I'm gonna put this idea to a vote in our league ! Very nice ! Two nattys up !
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Nobody is going to sign him...whoever does, is going to get a mountain of hatred and controversy dumped on them, and you know how extreme and persistent the animal rights folks can be.
I hope he made made all his money, because he's just a washed up freak show now.
thats funny, i was going to say "the raiders would sign him" but someone beat me to it.
i really hope this guy is banned for life because it will be such a black eye on the league if he is allowed to play again. someone will sign this guy when his suspension is finished, and the raiders are outlaw enough to do it. he will probably end up in the arena league or in europe or something.....say, when is he recording his rap album like artest and pacman and all the other guys that get busted??...
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I despise what Mike Vick did as much as the next guy, but how can yall say he deserves a lifetime ban from the NFL for killing dogs when the league has allowed a player to return that actually killed a human being?
"We've had a lot of people in this league do a lot of bad things, and they still got a chance," Wolf said. "Leonard Little killed someone (while drunk driving). Jamal Lewis went to prison (in connection to) selling drugs. Are you telling me that killing eight dogs is worse than killing a human being? … Yes, this is bad, but are you really telling me that he doesn't deserve a chance to play again when other people have committed crimes and come back?"
i live in st louis and people still protest leonard little at rams games. i have been to a few games and he still gets booed in pregame introductions. i think he should be banned for what he did. a guy in my band knew the family of the woman that was killed. little finally apologized to her husband and children last year, but it has not been accepted from what i have been told. there is alot of anger there still. i think the outrage over vick will be 1000 times worse for the league than what little did since so many people are animal lovers and can empathize with the animals and the horror of the situation.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
i live in st louis and people still protest leonard little at rams games. i have been to a few games and he still gets booed in pregame introductions. i think he should be banned for what he did. a guy in my band knew the family of the woman that was killed. little finally apologized to her husband and children last year, but it has not been accepted from what i have been told. there is alot of anger there still. i think the outrage over vick will be 1000 times worse for the league than what little did since so many people are animal lovers and can empathize with the animals and the horror of the situation.
I'm sure a lot of us have driven drunk at least once in our lives and that one time could have resulted in a terrible tragedy like what happened in Little's situation. But he actually got a 2nd DUI shortly after he killed that poor woman, and sadly it got very little press coverage. There's absolutely no excuse for him to drink and drive again after what happened.
The NFL set a bad precedent with the Little case. They shouldn't be able to ban Vick for life for killing dogs, however they may be able to do so for the gambling charges. I just wish people would gain a little perspective on this issue and remember those that were given a 2nd chance for committing worse crimes.
I'd be willing to bet that he is starting for the Raiders next season...
I'm pretty sure I'm in the minority here, but I think if he does is time or whatever punishment her gets, he should get a chance to come back....
If (which is a big "if") the league lets him back at some point down the road, I have no doubt that a team will sign him. While there will be some backlash, most of this hype will blow over by then, and someone will take a chance on him, I am positive of that.
I despise what Mike Vick did as much as the next guy, but how can yall say he deserves a lifetime ban from the NFL for killing dogs when the league has allowed a player to return that actually killed a human being?
Yeah, but there was a different commissioner then, and Goodall has been pretty damn strict with punishments.
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The NFL set a bad precedent with the Little case. They shouldn't be able to ban Vick for life for killing dogs, however they may be able to do so for the gambling charges.
The gambling charges will be the coup de grace, especially if they are included in the plea bargain. The other factor is that Vick lied to the face of his owner and the current commissioner when asked of the charges in April. That fact is going to kill his case with the commissioner.
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He killed many animals for enjoy and to run a gambling ring. Do you know how sick someone has to be to electricute or beat or hang an innosent animal? I'm not PETA member or something, but you have to be a sick individual to do these kind of things. Secondly, what he did was purely illegal - he broke many US laws, NFL codes of conducts and similar. He shouldn't be given another chance to play in any facet. Lastly, who in their right mind would honestly want to be rooting for someone who has acted like this? He has lived a priveledged life from the moment he left High School. Free college (in which he was reported of receiving illegal gifts), a $120 million dollar contract, tons of product deals.. and this is how he uses it? I expect he will either get a lifetime ban from the NFL, or get a sizable suspension (several yrs) in which case no one would want him when he is available because no one wants him as the face of their franchise because of how he has acted and how people will perceive it. And Vick deserves this kind of treatment (and it's not even that harsh) cause when he gets out of jail - he'll still be a millionaire. If you, I or any average Joe did something like this, our ENTIRE lives would be over. Long, serious jailtime and nothing waiting when we return... he has a gift and foresaked it for this idiocy and sick "hobby" and anything ruined in his life as a result is justice served.
please note, I'm in no way supporting Vick or is actions...I just happen to believe in second chances...
did Vick do something horrible? yup...
should he be punished...? yup...
should have a right, like every person, to rebuild his life and move on...? yup...
again, he didn't kill anyone...I'm pretty sure when people are eating their hamburgers, chicken sandwiches, and BLT's today, not one thought will go into how the animal was killed for their pleasure...
it's ok for hunters to kill deer, bears, and grouse...all for pleasure...
as I said, I'm not saying what vick did is ok...but if he were a fan of big game hunting, no one would care...
I just happen to see some irony in this whole situation...and I think many dog lovers are blinded by their anger when addressing this situation....
I despise what Mike Vick did as much as the next guy, but how can yall say he deserves a lifetime ban from the NFL for killing dogs when the league has allowed a player to return that actually killed a human being?
"We've had a lot of people in this league do a lot of bad things, and they still got a chance," Wolf said. "Leonard Little killed someone (while drunk driving). Jamal Lewis went to prison (in connection to) selling drugs. Are you telling me that killing eight dogs is worse than killing a human being? … Yes, this is bad, but are you really telling me that he doesn't deserve a chance to play again when other people have committed crimes and come back?"
this is what I'm saying...good post...
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Funny though that you can kill, maim bet on a dog and he'll get up to 20 years while a preacher's wife can can shoot and kill her husband and get out of jail in 6 MONTHS. Worse now she's seeking custody of her dead husband's kids, guess what she'll probably get them.
Sad case of leaping to conclusions here pal. Vick hasnt been sentenced as far as I know. And "up to" 20 years RARELY ends up being 20 years. Especially for the wealthy. Vick probably won't even do time, and will even probably be playing again in a year or two. Just my guess.
Also, Im sure the preachers wife you refer to could have gotten "up to" a lot more than she got.
Sad case of ignorance of the American Justice System.
With his plea he WILL do time and alot more time than that preacher's wife and she'll still get her kids back.
Still a sad case of American Justice.
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He will have a second chance at life and being a good person, but it just wont be in the NFL. Rules and procedures are their not to be broken and if you do break them, you run the risk of your acessibility to things like participation.
If I remember correctly, don't certain level convicts lose their right to vote? Or don't pediphile get put on specific lists and have to abide by a certain standards for everyone's well being once they get released from prison? It's the same in this situation, Vick just blew his chance in the NFL.
I don't understand how anyone could feel bad or side with this guy in any respect. If average Joe Citizen got caught doing all these things, they'd go to jail for 25+ yrs, their life would be over, and if/when they got out of prison, they'd have nothing to their name, no family, no money, no job - and here people are defending a guy who will walk free in probably a yr or two (a slap on the wrist) and come back to the lifestyle of a millionaire.
please note, I'm in no way supporting Vick or is actions...I just happen to believe in second chances...
did Vick do something horrible? yup...
should he be punished...? yup...
should have a right, like every person, to rebuild his life and move on...? yup...
again, he didn't kill anyone...I'm pretty sure when people are eating their hamburgers, chicken sandwiches, and BLT's today, not one thought will go into how the animal was killed for their pleasure...
it's ok for hunters to kill deer, bears, and grouse...all for pleasure...
as I said, I'm not saying what vick did is ok...but if he were a fan of big game hunting, no one would care...
I just happen to see some irony in this whole situation...and I think many dog lovers are blinded by their anger when addressing this situation....
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I'm sure a lot of us have driven drunk at least once in our lives and that one time could have resulted in a terrible tragedy like what happened in Little's situation. But he actually got a 2nd DUI shortly after he killed that poor woman, and sadly it got very little press coverage. There's absolutely no excuse for him to drink and drive again after what happened.
The NFL set a bad precedent with the Little case. They shouldn't be able to ban Vick for life for killing dogs, however they may be able to do so for the gambling charges. I just wish people would gain a little perspective on this issue and remember those that were given a 2nd chance for committing worse crimes.
i am not sure about anybody else, but i think that people are inclined to forgive things that are accidental, like the little drunk driving wreck. i have said it before i think little should have been banned for life, especially after his 2nd dui.
some things happen spur of the moment and escalate like the thing with pacman at the strip club, one of his dumbass hangers on shot and paralyzed someone. that is the kind of thing that has become the norm in professional sports, and celebrities as a whole these days, its not the athletes so much that make mistakes, its their posse that gets involved with things. thug life, ya know?
i think vick deserves banishment because all of this was so blatantly premeditated, and i think that is what is going to stick with him for as long as he lives. "conspiracy" implies planning in attempt to carry out an activity, and he will plead guilty to it. if you knowingly break so many laws and have no remorse he should never play in the nfl again.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
He will have a second chance at life and being a good person, but it just wont be in the NFL. Rules and procedures are their not to be broken and if you do break them, you run the risk of your acessibility to things like participation.
If I remember correctly, don't certain level convicts lose their right to vote? Or don't pediphile get put on specific lists and have to abide by a certain standards for everyone's well being once they get released from prison? It's the same in this situation, Vick just blew his chance in the NFL.
I don't understand how anyone could feel bad or side with this guy in any respect. If average Joe Citizen got caught doing all these things, they'd go to jail for 25+ yrs, their life would be over, and if/when they got out of prison, they'd have nothing to their name, no family, no money, no job - and here people are defending a guy who will walk free in probably a yr or two (a slap on the wrist) and come back to the lifestyle of a millionaire.
you say "I don't understand how anyone could feel bad or side with this guy in any respect"...question: who feels bad or is siding with the vick..? just because I disagree with the notion that his life should be over does not mean I support him...another thing, you don't "understand" because you don't want to...emotions tend to cloud judgment...
I'm saying he should have an opportunity for a second chance at anything he choses...if not, why don't we just hang him from the highest tree and be done with him...?
also, I'm unsure where you getting the 25+yrs thing...are you making that up or do you have a source...?
it's funny that people get all caught on with Vick because he's made some money...I'd be willing to bet you could not name either of the co-defendants without a google search...are you overly concerned about their future...?
If an average citizen was caught for running a gambling ring which included training and executing dogs (which is estimated at roughly 6yrs in prison and a fine of 250k). Vick pleaded yesterday because he would have received more indiments which would cover multi-state gambling amongst other more serious offenses he broke. All in total he could have been found guilty and sentenced to over 25 yrs in jail. He came to a deal (plea), which will possibly make him go to jail for roughly a yr or two at the maximum instead of the 6yrs which were initally detailled.
Now mind, you, if this is joe citizen, you think a plea bargain of such minor consequence would be sought? Of course not!! The evidence is overwelming and there are a ton of witnesses as well. He will get off easy with this watered down ruling where as most would serve a ton of time because he's famous and they want to make sure they get a guilty verdict and not risk losing that.
Also, Vick's "second chance" in the NFL is solely based upon his conduct from the past and these current ongoings. He will not receive a slap on the wrist for that nor does he deserve one. It's all based upon the NFL procedures of code and conduct and considering things like running a gambling ring, gambling, executing dogs, lying to the Commisher several times, breaking other specific US laws which designate suspension in the NFL, it will all come down on him and he won't be getting a second chance to play. His "second chance" will be getting out of jail, not playing in the NFL. Just as Pete Rose wasn't given a second chance in baseball (to play, coach, etc), he payed his debt to society (from crimes he committed), and moved on his life - Vick will be doing the same.
Also, simple real life example. If a teacher has sexual relations with a student (minor), goes to jail, serves the time and is released. Are laws and policies not in place so that the person who committed these crimes not be allowed back to their previous life (being a teacher) because they violated such codes of conduct? Of course they would never allow such a thing to occur, because the person lost that right and chance to be a teacher when they broke the rules.
you say "I don't understand how anyone could feel bad or side with this guy in any respect"...question: who feels bad or is siding with the vick..? just because I disagree with the notion that his life should be over does not mean I support him...another thing, you don't "understand" because you don't want to...emotions tend to cloud judgment...
I'm saying he should have an opportunity for a second chance at anything he choses...if not, why don't we just hang him from the highest tree and be done with him...?
also, I'm unsure where you getting the 25+yrs thing...are you making that up or do you have a source...?
it's funny that people get all caught on with Vick because he's made some money...I'd be willing to bet you could not name either of the co-defendants without a google search...are you overly concerned about their future...?
again, I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished...
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just a ?? does everybody here actually believe that he is only responsible for the execution of only 8 dogs ,not me he probably killed double that # this man is a coward at best, he should never ever be allowed to be on a football field again .........
just a ?? does everybody here actually believe that he is only responsible for the execution of only 8 dogs ,not me he probably killed double that # this man is a coward at best, he should never ever be allowed to be on a football field again .........
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Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
If an average citizen was caught for running a gambling ring which included training and executing dogs (which is estimated at roughly 6yrs in prison and a fine of 250k). Vick pleaded yesterday because he would have received more indiments which would cover multi-state gambling amongst other more serious offenses he broke. All in total he could have been found guilty and sentenced to over 25 yrs in jail. He came to a deal (plea), which will possibly make him go to jail for roughly a yr or two at the maximum instead of the 6yrs which were initally detailled.
Now mind, you, if this is joe citizen, you think a plea bargain of such minor consequence would be sought? Of course not!! The evidence is overwelming and there are a ton of witnesses as well. He will get off easy with this watered down ruling where as most would serve a ton of time because he's famous and they want to make sure they get a guilty verdict and not risk losing that.
Also, Vick's "second chance" in the NFL is solely based upon his conduct from the past and these current ongoings. He will not receive a slap on the wrist for that nor does he deserve one. It's all based upon the NFL procedures of code and conduct and considering things like running a gambling ring, gambling, executing dogs, lying to the Commisher several times, breaking other specific US laws which designate suspension in the NFL, it will all come down on him and he won't be getting a second chance to play. His "second chance" will be getting out of jail, not playing in the NFL. Just as Pete Rose wasn't given a second chance in baseball (to play, coach, etc), he payed his debt to society (from crimes he committed), and moved on his life - Vick will be doing the same.
Also, simple real life example. If a teacher has sexual relations with a student (minor), goes to jail, serves the time and is released. Are laws and policies not in place so that the person who committed these crimes not be allowed back to their previous life (being a teacher) because they violated such codes of conduct? Of course they would never allow such a thing to occur, because the person lost that right and chance to be a teacher when they broke the rules.
so, what's the names of the co-defendants...? and the teacher thing doesn't work here..if vick were going to work at a vets office, then it may apply...
Are you trying to say that Vick is somehow the "scapegoat" in this? Do you realize the guys who turned on Vick by copping plea bargains and pointing the finger at Vick will be doing more time than Vick (and factually they've done a lot less then Vick according to the record)? Or that all these investigations are over a 3yr period, but date back to his college days at V-tech (which was prior to 2001)?
People are outraged cause it's despicable behavior and very sick. It's not unjust, nor is it lynch mob or more importantly - undeserved.
I understand being pissed...I understand that this story angers everyone...what I don't understand is the lynchmob mentality toward Vick...
in other words, there is more to the story...
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As I stated above, his co-defendents will be doing more hard time than Vick, yet technically have done less than Vick. Vick bankrolled the entire operation on top of the same criminal offenses the co-defense carried out. So I don't see any validity in mentioning them, because they got it harder than Vick (who has more evidence of wrong-doing), yet will get less penalty.
Plain and simple, just becaue he serves his time and debt to society, does that mean he can pick up where he left off.. ie the NFL. He did enough harm to keep himself out of the NFL long after he's out of jail. His second chance in life is to have a life when returning from jail - not returning to the NFL.
so, what's the names of the co-defendants...? and the teacher thing doesn't work here..if vick were going to work at a vets office, then it may apply...
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Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
you say "I don't understand how anyone could feel bad or side with this guy in any respect"...question: who feels bad or is siding with the vick..? just because I disagree with the notion that his life should be over does not mean I support him...another thing, you don't "understand" because you don't want to...emotions tend to cloud judgment...
I'm saying he should have an opportunity for a second chance at anything he choses...if not, why don't we just hang him from the highest tree and be done with him...?
also, I'm unsure where you getting the 25+yrs thing...are you making that up or do you have a source...?
it's funny that people get all caught on with Vick because he's made some money...I'd be willing to bet you could not name either of the co-defendants without a google search...are you overly concerned about their future...?
again, I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished...
you have some great points and I tend to agree with you.....think people should be given a second chance......its just the thought of a person that kills an animal for pleasure...not for food..or protection..but for pleasure...that's the thing that gets to me. I don't consider this guy or others that torture animals human.....I see them as dimented animals. I hope his career is over...I hope a message is sent that we do indeed have a somewhat civilized society and won't tolerate mean, inconsiderate humans doing such things. Guess maybe that's the thing that's buggin me about this...fkn inconsiderate people....how freakin inconsiderate do you have to be to kill....fk him Phew..almost feel better and you are right....emotions are high on this..and it does cloud judgement......I'm guilty.
As I stated above, his co-defendents will be doing more hard time than Vick, yet technically have done less than Vick. Vick bankrolled the entire operation on top of the same criminal offenses the co-defense carried out. So I don't see any validity in mentioning them, because they got it harder than Vick (who has more evidence of wrong-doing), yet will get less penalty.
Plain and simple, just becaue he serves his time and debt to society, does that mean he can pick up where he left off.. ie the NFL. He did enough harm to keep himself out of the NFL long after he's out of jail. His second chance in life is to have a life when returning from jail - not returning to the NFL.
Vick had the cash to make all this possible. Now Vick will be paying dearly....he lost his standing, fame and tons of cash. He's paying....enough..naw...he's a punk. Remember he denied that he was involved till the testimony against him came out.......guess after you slaughter animals for fun lying must be a peice of cake......
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"We've had a lot of people in this league do a lot of bad things, and they still got a chance," Wolf said. "Leonard Little killed someone (while drunk driving). Jamal Lewis went to prison (in connection to) selling drugs. Are you telling me that killing eight dogs is worse than killing a human being? … Yes, this is bad, but are you really telling me that he doesn't deserve a chance to play again when other people have committed crimes and come back?"
I love this idea !! I'm gonna put this idea to a vote in our league ! Very nice ! Two nattys up !
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thats funny, i was going to say "the raiders would sign him" but someone beat me to it.
i really hope this guy is banned for life because it will be such a black eye on the league if he is allowed to play again. someone will sign this guy when his suspension is finished, and the raiders are outlaw enough to do it. he will probably end up in the arena league or in europe or something.....say, when is he recording his rap album like artest and pacman and all the other guys that get busted??...
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i live in st louis and people still protest leonard little at rams games. i have been to a few games and he still gets booed in pregame introductions. i think he should be banned for what he did. a guy in my band knew the family of the woman that was killed. little finally apologized to her husband and children last year, but it has not been accepted from what i have been told. there is alot of anger there still. i think the outrage over vick will be 1000 times worse for the league than what little did since so many people are animal lovers and can empathize with the animals and the horror of the situation.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I'm sure a lot of us have driven drunk at least once in our lives and that one time could have resulted in a terrible tragedy like what happened in Little's situation. But he actually got a 2nd DUI shortly after he killed that poor woman, and sadly it got very little press coverage. There's absolutely no excuse for him to drink and drive again after what happened.
The NFL set a bad precedent with the Little case. They shouldn't be able to ban Vick for life for killing dogs, however they may be able to do so for the gambling charges. I just wish people would gain a little perspective on this issue and remember those that were given a 2nd chance for committing worse crimes.
If (which is a big "if") the league lets him back at some point down the road, I have no doubt that a team will sign him. While there will be some backlash, most of this hype will blow over by then, and someone will take a chance on him, I am positive of that.
Yeah, but there was a different commissioner then, and Goodall has been pretty damn strict with punishments.
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please note, I'm in no way supporting Vick or is actions...I just happen to believe in second chances...
did Vick do something horrible? yup...
should he be punished...? yup...
should have a right, like every person, to rebuild his life and move on...? yup...
again, he didn't kill anyone...I'm pretty sure when people are eating their hamburgers, chicken sandwiches, and BLT's today, not one thought will go into how the animal was killed for their pleasure...
it's ok for hunters to kill deer, bears, and grouse...all for pleasure...
as I said, I'm not saying what vick did is ok...but if he were a fan of big game hunting, no one would care...
I just happen to see some irony in this whole situation...and I think many dog lovers are blinded by their anger when addressing this situation....
so you say....which is fine and dandy...I just disagree...people can change and if he does, he should be treated just like you and me...
this is what I'm saying...good post...
With his plea he WILL do time and alot more time than that preacher's wife and she'll still get her kids back.
Still a sad case of American Justice.
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If I remember correctly, don't certain level convicts lose their right to vote? Or don't pediphile get put on specific lists and have to abide by a certain standards for everyone's well being once they get released from prison? It's the same in this situation, Vick just blew his chance in the NFL.
I don't understand how anyone could feel bad or side with this guy in any respect. If average Joe Citizen got caught doing all these things, they'd go to jail for 25+ yrs, their life would be over, and if/when they got out of prison, they'd have nothing to their name, no family, no money, no job - and here people are defending a guy who will walk free in probably a yr or two (a slap on the wrist) and come back to the lifestyle of a millionaire.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
i am not sure about anybody else, but i think that people are inclined to forgive things that are accidental, like the little drunk driving wreck. i have said it before i think little should have been banned for life, especially after his 2nd dui.
some things happen spur of the moment and escalate like the thing with pacman at the strip club, one of his dumbass hangers on shot and paralyzed someone. that is the kind of thing that has become the norm in professional sports, and celebrities as a whole these days, its not the athletes so much that make mistakes, its their posse that gets involved with things. thug life, ya know?
i think vick deserves banishment because all of this was so blatantly premeditated, and i think that is what is going to stick with him for as long as he lives. "conspiracy" implies planning in attempt to carry out an activity, and he will plead guilty to it. if you knowingly break so many laws and have no remorse he should never play in the nfl again.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Make it rain!"
you say "I don't understand how anyone could feel bad or side with this guy in any respect"...question: who feels bad or is siding with the vick..? just because I disagree with the notion that his life should be over does not mean I support him...another thing, you don't "understand" because you don't want to...emotions tend to cloud judgment...
I'm saying he should have an opportunity for a second chance at anything he choses...if not, why don't we just hang him from the highest tree and be done with him...?
also, I'm unsure where you getting the 25+yrs thing...are you making that up or do you have a source...?
it's funny that people get all caught on with Vick because he's made some money...I'd be willing to bet you could not name either of the co-defendants without a google search...are you overly concerned about their future...?
again, I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished...
and that makes you as bad as vick...
string him to the highest tree, huh...? :rolleyes:
sorry...I didn't mean to offend...
She is pissed that this happened. End of story.
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
Now mind, you, if this is joe citizen, you think a plea bargain of such minor consequence would be sought? Of course not!! The evidence is overwelming and there are a ton of witnesses as well. He will get off easy with this watered down ruling where as most would serve a ton of time because he's famous and they want to make sure they get a guilty verdict and not risk losing that.
Also, Vick's "second chance" in the NFL is solely based upon his conduct from the past and these current ongoings. He will not receive a slap on the wrist for that nor does he deserve one. It's all based upon the NFL procedures of code and conduct and considering things like running a gambling ring, gambling, executing dogs, lying to the Commisher several times, breaking other specific US laws which designate suspension in the NFL, it will all come down on him and he won't be getting a second chance to play. His "second chance" will be getting out of jail, not playing in the NFL. Just as Pete Rose wasn't given a second chance in baseball (to play, coach, etc), he payed his debt to society (from crimes he committed), and moved on his life - Vick will be doing the same.
Also, simple real life example. If a teacher has sexual relations with a student (minor), goes to jail, serves the time and is released. Are laws and policies not in place so that the person who committed these crimes not be allowed back to their previous life (being a teacher) because they violated such codes of conduct? Of course they would never allow such a thing to occur, because the person lost that right and chance to be a teacher when they broke the rules.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
But I do agree, this is just the stuff they found out about and were able to use.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
I understand being pissed...I understand that this story angers everyone...what I don't understand is the lynchmob mentality toward Vick...
in other words, there is more to the story...
so, what's the names of the co-defendants...? and the teacher thing doesn't work here..if vick were going to work at a vets office, then it may apply...
People are outraged cause it's despicable behavior and very sick. It's not unjust, nor is it lynch mob or more importantly - undeserved.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Plain and simple, just becaue he serves his time and debt to society, does that mean he can pick up where he left off.. ie the NFL. He did enough harm to keep himself out of the NFL long after he's out of jail. His second chance in life is to have a life when returning from jail - not returning to the NFL.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Peace
Vick had the cash to make all this possible. Now Vick will be paying dearly....he lost his standing, fame and tons of cash. He's paying....enough..naw...he's a punk. Remember he denied that he was involved till the testimony against him came out.......guess after you slaughter animals for fun lying must be a peice of cake......
he's not being narrow minded. just honest. now get back to your section.