Michael Vick

blackredyellow

harrymanback wrote:

now he has the NAACP (R.L. White) saying this should not cost him his carreer. that is fine, but then he goes overboard:

"The way he is being persecuted, he wouldn't have been persecuted that much had he killed somebody."

he also thinks Vick cut a deal rather than roll the dice on a trial and take a chance on being found guilty" - therefore he thinks he is not involved

White also said he didn't understand the uproar over dogfighting, when hunting deer and other animals is perfectly acceptable.

IDIOT

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/08/22/vick/index.html

Why do you say that "he"(Vick) has the NAACP saying these things?

While the NCAAP is wrong saying this, I doubt Vick has them defending him.

Like most groups who claim to represent people's interest, the NAACP wouldn't have any influence without portraying persecution every chance they get.

Who wouldn't understand the uproar over dog fighting??? how many millions of people have dogs as loving pets, they don't think that there would be uproar over this?

Uncle Leo

harrymanback wrote:

now he has the NAACP (R.L. White) saying this should not cost him his carreer. that is fine, but then he goes overboard:

"The way he is being persecuted, he wouldn't have been persecuted that much had he killed somebody."

he also thinks Vick cut a deal rather than roll the dice on a trial and take a chance on being found guilty" - therefore he thinks he is not involved

White also said he didn't understand the uproar over dogfighting, when hunting deer and other animals is perfectly acceptable.

IDIOT

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/08/22/vick/index.html

NAACP implies the playing of the race card. However the statements made by Mr. White do not directly discuss race. The word "persecuted" does not have to include racial overtones. He is being raked over the coals (rightly so, in mym opinion).

As far as innocent people cutting deals, I don't think that is what happened here, but I am sure it has happened in history.

As for as deer hunting...well that is just stupid. Any non-vegetarion cannot say shit about this. Hunting serves a purpose. Torturing animals is sick. It's not even close to the same thing.

As for race: Playing that card would be bad. It's not why he is in trouble and any reasonable human being should get that. And while the story does not really discuss race, the fact that the attorney is from the NAACP will send that message regardless. Bad PR move.

Uncle Leo

blackredyellow wrote:

Why do you say that "he"(Vick) has the NAACP saying these things?

Good point. The story does not say that Vick hired him or even knew that he was going to say anything.

macgyver06

blackredyellow wrote:

Why do you say that "he"(Vick) has the NAACP saying these things?

While the NCAAP is wrong saying this, I doubt Vick has them defending him.

Like most groups who claim to represent people's interest, the NAACP wouldn't have any influence without portraying persecution every chance they get.

Who wouldn't understand the uproar over dog fighting??? how many millions of people have dogs as loving pets, they don't think that there would be uproar over this?

i dont think they are wrong..for the record..the media contacts them on these things..tehy arent waiting to make statements..he is giving his view..and its not so far-fetched... the statement about killing deer is obviously questioning

people kill deer for fun, buffalo for fun, birds for fun, people are still killing elephants, still killing whales... also dog is a meat in asia for the record..

but he should understand the uproar...when americans here the word dog...they think of pet.. so that was kinda dumb...but i think he is really trying to point out...that.... a whale... but not a dog?

Get_Right

JD Sal wrote:

I despise what Mike Vick did as much as the next guy, but how can yall say he deserves a lifetime ban from the NFL for killing dogs when the league has allowed a player to return that actually killed a human being?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-vickfuture082007&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

"We've had a lot of people in this league do a lot of bad things, and they still got a chance," Wolf said. "Leonard Little killed someone (while drunk driving). Jamal Lewis went to prison (in connection to) selling drugs. Are you telling me that killing eight dogs is worse than killing a human being? … Yes, this is bad, but are you really telling me that he doesn't deserve a chance to play again when other people have committed crimes and come back?"

I agree 100%
There have been over 50 players arrested for crimes against PEOPLE since 2006, yet you dont hear a peep about that.

I agree that what Vick did was wrong, and it turns my stomach.
But the message being sent is that its ok to harm people, but hey dont mess with out pets. I dont think thats right.

I do think the gambling needs to be investigated. And the best thing to come out of this is that the feds may start crakcing down on the 100s of other illegal breeders doing the same thing.

harrymanback

you find merrit in the comments?

call me an idiot because i honestly think that if MV had killed a man in front of witnesses, but constantly maintained his "innocence", he would be persecuted to the nth degree. see OJ

also, i find it crazy that someone would risk $130 million dollars when they are innocent ... pleading guily and admitting to the charges costs him everything. if he is innocent, he should fight the charges.

hunting is a controlled "sport" - dog fighting is illegal and barbric, and the last time i checked, i doubt they are cooking the dogs to feed themselves.

Yours truly,
Idiot

josevolution

wait a minute dog fighting is not a sport so please let's get back to how heinous this crime really is please, this fuck should get what ever is coming to him and if he ever get's back to football i would never ever pay or watch any game's he is involved in and i'm glad to have never paid to see any of he's games live ........fuck him and all he's defender's ...........it's weird but the black population seem to actually believe that dog fighting is a sport and who is it sanctioned by ?? idiots .........

inmytree

macgyver06 wrote:

I think you have something here. Although i personally think you have to be insane to do something like this...and its really just Vick in this case..others make their living doing this, he is already a millionaire so whats the interest here? and than to personally kill the dogs supposedly? It is illegal and it should be....but people are talking about his career being over and a ban from the NFL and thats just crazy! I think the NAACP might need to step in if that happens because, ray lewis may have killed a man, and so did jamal lewis...Pacman Jones is beating up people in strip clubs, pistol whipping strippers and women patrons (bless them), brent myers of the phillies beats his wife, kobe bryant raped a girl, ty cobb used to publically beat people of all races/sex, Babe ruth played drunk, phil niekro used to file baseballs, mike tyson bit part of a guys ear off and raped/beat a girl.


im saying..he should serve his sentence and thats all, nothing more, nothing less.

excellent post...

It seems that violence against people gets less attention than the vick story...

all I know is Americans have short memories...6 months from now, we'll have moved on to the next Imus, Scott Peterson, or OJ...

Uncle Leo

macgyver06 wrote:

I think you have something here. Although i personally think you have to be insane to do something like this...and its really just Vick in this case..others make their living doing this, he is already a millionaire so whats the interest here? and than to personally kill the dogs supposedly? It is illegal and it should be....but people are talking about his career being over and a ban from the NFL and thats just crazy! I think the NAACP might need to step in if that happens because, ray lewis may have killed a man, and so did jamal lewis...Pacman Jones is beating up people in strip clubs, pistol whipping strippers and women patrons (bless them), brent myers of the phillies beats his wife, kobe bryant raped a girl, ty cobb used to publically beat people of all races/sex, Babe ruth played drunk, phil niekro used to file baseballs, mike tyson bit part of a guys ear off and raped/beat a girl.


im saying..he should serve his sentence and thats all, nothing more, nothing less.

I am OK with him serving his sentence and playing as well. After getting out, he is entitled to have a job. He just happens to be uniquely talented for a high-paying, high-profile job.

I don't think Jamal Lewis killed anyone, though did he? I thought he just did some drug running.

inmytree

Uncle Leo wrote:

I am OK with him serving his sentence and playing as well. After getting out, he is entitled to have a job. He just happens to be uniquely talented for a high-paying, high-profile job.

I don't think Jamal Lewis killed anyone, though did he? I thought he just did some drug running.

Ray Lewis was the fella who beat the rap on some murder charges...

harrymanback

inmytree wrote:

excellent post...

It seems that violence against people gets less attention than the vick story...

all I know is Americans have short memories...6 months from now, we'll have moved on to the next Imus, Scott Peterson, or OJ...

what people have to remember is that the main story line is not the dogfighting, but rather a marquee player of the NFL is in the middle of it.

for example, if joe and schmo called rutgers girls "nappy headed niggas", it would not have been as big a deal as imus, because of who he is.

this is big because this is VICK, not because it is dogfighting.

Uncle Leo

inmytree wrote:

Ray Lewis was the fella who beat the rap on some murder charges...

The post I quoted seemed to say that Jamal killed someone.

I don't think Ray did, but I do think he knew more than he was letting on.

macgyver06

Uncle Leo wrote:

I am OK with him serving his sentence and playing as well. After getting out, he is entitled to have a job. He just happens to be uniquely talented for a high-paying, high-profile job.

I don't think Jamal Lewis killed anyone, though did he? I thought he just did some drug running.

i get lewis's confused...maybe it was richard lewis..or his cousin lewis lewis..but also i should point out im a follower of the nfl...i like stats

anyone who watches this game.. knows the media has been talking up vick since he was drafted no. 1

he isnt and never was...ever! an elite quarterback in the NFL

he isnt even in the top 10.

Brady
Manning
Palmer
Hasselbeck
Bulger
Brees
Delhomme
B. Johnson
McNabb
McNair

to name 10..are all better and have proven to be better quarterbacks.

more proof the media loves to build up guys and help tear them down.

josevolution

Uncle Leo wrote:

I am OK with him serving his sentence and playing as well. After getting out, he is entitled to have a job. He just happens to be uniquely talented for a high-paying, high-profile job.

I don't think Jamal Lewis killed anyone, though did he? I thought he just did some drug running.

yeah and evrytime he's on the field i will turn to my kid and explain to him yeah that's vick the dog killer someone you can look up to, fuck that so in other words the crime doesn't matter as long as you serve you're sentence you can get you're old job back ,i know for sure if i get convicted or pleaded guilty to any crime my employer would fire me and i would never evr get this job back .......it should be the same for any human being ......or how if you're kids teacher get's caught molesting kids should he be able to go back and teach again fuck no .........

inmytree

harrymanback wrote:

what people have to remember is that the main story line is not the dogfighting, but rather a marquee player of the NFL is in the middle of it.

for example, if joe and schmo called rutgers girls "nappy headed niggas", it would not have been as big a deal as imus, because of who he is.

this is big because this is VICK, not because it is dogfighting.

I agree...and disagree....

This story has legs because of Vick, and because of the nations fetish, oh, I mean love for pets...

blackredyellow

inmytree wrote:

all I know is Americans have short memories...6 months from now, we'll have moved on to the next Imus, Scott Peterson, or OJ...

I think that is one of the reasons that the NFL hasn't announced a suspension/ban yet. They have all of the time in the world to do it as Vick will most likely be in jail this season and into next season.

If they would go and announce something like a 3 year suspension today, there would be ridiculous outrage... anything short of a lifetime ban will draw outrage.

I think they will just wait it out and decide (or at least announce) his suspension well down the road.

inmytree

josevolution wrote:

yeah and evrytime he's on the field i will turn to my kid and explain to him yeah that's vick the dog killer someone you can look up to, fuck that so in other words the crime doesn't matter as long as you serve you're sentence you can get you're old job back ,i know for sure if i get convicted or pleaded guilty to any crime my employer would fire me and i would never evr get this job back .......it should be the same for any human being ......or how if you're kids teacher get's caught molesting kids should he be able to go back and teach again fuck no .........

why don't we just send vick to the electric chair and be done with him, right...?

harrymanback

quick ... if any of you commited this crime, how many of your employers would welcome you back after you served your time?

inmytree

blackredyellow wrote:

I think that is one of the reasons that the NFL hasn't announced a suspension/ban yet. They have all of the time in the world to do it as Vick will most likely be in jail this season and into next season.

If they would go and announce something like a 3 year suspension today, there would be ridiculous outrage... anything short of a lifetime ban will draw outrage.

I think they will just wait it out and decide (or at least announce) his suspension well down the road.

yeah, the NFL is watching and waiting...

I still say Vick will be starting for the Raiders in the future...

josevolution

inmytree wrote:

why don't we just send vick to the electric chair and be done with him, right...?

i'm not saying that but i believe he blew he's chance at being in the publics eye or the football stage ,like i said would you have a problem if a teacher in you're kids school molested kids and served he's/she sentence and was back teaching you're children ?? I WOULD HAVE A BIG PROBLEM WITH THAT .........