All you really need to know about how phony college football is...
Michael Vick was actually allowed to enroll at Va Tech.
Stephon Marbury was actually allowed to enroll at Ga Tech.
wow, both of these schools should be publically embarrassed and put on probation for just those two.
Think they actually did any of the class work?
I wonder how many classes those two attended in the COMBINED three years that they were in "college"?
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
I wonder how many classes those two attended in the COMBINED three years that they were in "college"?
well, I mean Mike bought the athletic center I believe for Va Tech or at least donated enought to put his name on it so I guess they got thier investment back.
My Girlfriend said to me..."How many guitars do you need?" and I replied...."How many pairs of shoes do you need?" She got really quiet.
who the fuck is defending the guy...I'm serious...please read through this thread...
I say he should be punished...I say he should be treated like any other person...plain and simple...
I think the reference is to Stephen Starbury and the other folks pimping to every camera or mic that ESPN or whoever owns.......Starbury actually compared hunting to dog fighting....which to him is a "sport, it's just behind closed doors." :rolleyes:
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
I think the reference is to Stephen Starbury and the other folks pimping to every camera or mic that ESPN or whoever owns.......Starbury actually compared hunting to dog fighting....which to him is a "sport, it's just behind closed doors." :rolleyes:
gotcha...
I guess it all comes down to social norms...
killing a "wild" animal = good clean fun
killing a dog = bad
basically one is accepted as "normal", the other is not...please note: I'm discussing social norms and not saying dogfighting is ok...
basically one is accepted as "normal", the other is not...please note: I'm discussing social norms and not saying dogfighting is ok...
I don't know if that's the social norm... I would bet that most people have different levels of comfort with hunting.
For me, if you are going to eat the animal and it's done in a legal way that has been set up with conservation and population control in mind (like deer season), then I am ok with it. If you are just sport hunting for the thrill of the kill and don't eat what you shoot, or poach for profit, then you are no better than someone who participates in dog fighting.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
one thing that's wierd well not really is that we have another dog killer on the team and no one seems to care.
Jonathan Babaneaux is on trial for basically clubbing his "girlfriend's" pit bull to death earlier this year (pre Vick Trial) but since most people haven't heard of him I guess there isn't any publicity to get from protesting.
My Girlfriend said to me..."How many guitars do you need?" and I replied...."How many pairs of shoes do you need?" She got really quiet.
basically one is accepted as "normal", the other is not...please note: I'm discussing social norms and not saying dogfighting is ok...
killing a "wild" animal = good clean fun=a food source=an industry for many states=legal and accepted by majority
killing a dog (for sport only) = bad=illegal and not accepted by majority
dog fighting (and/or cock fighting, dog vs. hog, etc.)=illegal gambling=two illegal activities combined together
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
If he was treated like any other person, he wouldn't be getting the lighter sentencing that he will be receiving.
So as much as the media may not stop hyping the story or animal rights groups denouncing him, there's a price to pay for being famous. And albeit he's receiving terrible press and pr from all this, his status as a star/ famous person actually helps his standing and will give him less to be sorry and accountable for.
who the fuck is defending the guy...I'm serious...please read through this thread...
I say he should be punished...I say he should be treated like any other person...plain and simple...
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
well, I mean Mike bought the athletic center I believe for Va Tech or at least donated enought to put his name on it so I guess they got thier investment back.
What's the buzz on Petrino coaching the Falcons this year? ARe folks excited or disappointed?
basically one is accepted as "normal", the other is not...please note: I'm discussing social norms and not saying dogfighting is ok...
Marbury compared dogfighting to hunting.
Most hunters don't kill for " good, clean fun ". Most hunters while they enjoy the hunting, they hunt within the laws of their state; they kill the deer and then use the deer meat for food.
Most hunters I know don't appreciate those who go hunting for sport or for "fun".
Killing animals for food is not even in the same universe as what Vick (or any other of these scumbags) have been doing (and continue to do), with these dogs and dogfighing.
Although what a lot of these corporations do to animals to provide us with their meat, is vile and an outrage.
Killing for sport is dispicable. You know, like Cheney and his hunting pals.
Most hunters don't kill for " good, clean fun ". Most hunters while they enjoy the hunting, they hunt within the laws of their state; they kill the deer and then use the deer meat for food.
Most hunters I know don't appreciate those who go hunting for sport or for "fun".
Killing animals for food is not even in the same universe as what Vick (or any other of these scumbags) have been doing (and continue to do), with these dogs and dogfighing.
Although what a lot of these corporations do to animals to provide us with their meat, is vile and an outrage.
Killing for sport is dispicable. You know, like Cheney and his hunting pals.
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
killing a "wild" animal = good clean fun=a food source=an industry for many states=legal and accepted by majority
killing a dog (for sport only) = bad=illegal and not accepted by majority
dog fighting (and/or cock fighting, dog vs. hog, etc.)=illegal gambling=two illegal activities combined together
Most hunters don't kill for " good, clean fun ". Most hunters while they enjoy the hunting, they hunt within the laws of their state; they kill the deer and then use the deer meat for food.
Most hunters I know don't appreciate those who go hunting for sport or for "fun".
Killing animals for food is not even in the same universe as what Vick (or any other of these scumbags) have been doing (and continue to do), with these dogs and dogfighing.
Although what a lot of these corporations do to animals to provide us with their meat, is vile and an outrage.
Killing for sport is dispicable. You know, like Cheney and his hunting pals.
yup, this is about right...
I do find it interesting that most hunting is seen as "hunting for food"...I contend the food part of hunting is a bonus...I say people hunt for the thrill...the food is a byproduct hunting...there is plenty of food available...in fact wild game can be purchased fairly easily...
What's the buzz on Petrino coaching the Falcons this year? ARe folks excited or disappointed?
The hard core fans.... around 35K in the stadium and maybe 65K without season tickets are very excited. They've only given up one sack in 67 attempts and the offense is wide open and moving the ball.
You'll see tons of empty seats or other team color jerseys quite a bit, monday night will be no exception but that's par for the course in Atlanta. Hey, if they built the freaking stadium on the northside and it didn't take the whole day to go, more butts would be in the seats but oh well. They've never had B2B winning seasons either so that's got a lot to do with it.
This is the best coach we have had since Dan Reeves thankfully he's only coaching where as Dan's achilles heal was his GM job.
I've you're a Lou ville fan you've seen the offense, the flexibility is what makes it ingenious I'm just not sure they have the talent to execute.
I'm thinking they will have a better year than many think though, but in general... the town is depressed and waiting for the draft.
My Girlfriend said to me..."How many guitars do you need?" and I replied...."How many pairs of shoes do you need?" She got really quiet.
You'll see tons of empty seats or other team color jerseys quite a bit, monday night will be no exception but that's par for the course in Atlanta.
True......lived right next door to Atlanta all of my life....been to two Falcons games.....but times to see the other time. Go Cowboys.
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
The irony of this situation from a football perspective, I think the Falcons will be better off without Vick in the long term. He's great and exciting to watch, but you can't simply win by running the ball and their passing offense has always been sub-par with him at the helm. In my opinion, they'll be better off in the long term with a more stable pocket passer. You have to be balanced in all aspects of the game to be very successful in the NFL and the Falcons under Vick were not (they couldn't pass).
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
I do find it interesting that most hunting is seen as "hunting for food"...I contend the food part of hunting is a bonus...I say people hunt for the thrill...the food is a byproduct hunting...there is plenty of food available...in fact wild game can be purchased fairly easily...
Hehe yeah, it is another debate. My roomate in college was an avid hunter, and being from Chicago I was a little naive about the whole process. Most people who hunt for food keep most of the carcass. Those who hunt for the "Thrill" have to hunt within certain limits, ie, not killing pregnant females, (if they happen to be pregnant for some reason out of season) not killing certain size deer, etc. If they decide to keep the "trophy" of the deer, ie, the rack or head, they typically donate the meat, so that others can buy it in the type sof wild game shops you listed above.
And in many cases, they donate the meat to local homeless shelters.
Again, I couldnt hunt, but there is a need for it, as deer have lost their natural predators and populations have increased.
EDIT: Sorry, this was as of 1996. I quoted the wrong article. Current estimates are well over 1 mil.
Illinois deer population is near 800,000. And its widely regulated. You cant just go wandering off slaughtering deer. But if someone does that whos just a popular as Michael Vick, he would be under similar scrutiny.
I've you're a Lou ville fan you've seen the offense, the flexibility is what makes it ingenious I'm just not sure they have the talent to execute.
Vick isn't the type of quarterback that the Louisville offense was built around. It's odd to think of him running. It may be better without him, given the scheme. It'll be interesting for sure!
I do find it interesting that most hunting is seen as "hunting for food"...I contend the food part of hunting is a bonus...I say people hunt for the thrill...the food is a byproduct hunting...there is plenty of food available...in fact wild game can be purchased fairly easily...
I wouldn't argue that point. Thus why I said hunters enjoy the hunt.
But the important point to remember is that most hunters stay within the parameters of the law and don't allow their primal urges to get a hold of them.
I'm not a hunter (although a gun owner). But I learned to hunt and search for food (grubs, berries...etc)for the sake of survival. if I'm ever stranded or in a situation where I need to hunt for food, I can survive.
Vick isn't the type of quarterback that the Louisville offense was built around. It's odd to think of him running. It may be better without him, given the scheme. It'll be interesting for sure!
yeah Ideally, I think they'd love to have a mobile guy with better passing skills. Vick was the prototype but he's still short and never has been a great QB mainly because he was so good with his legs he never spent enough time learning an offense.
I think the wave of the Future is the semi or very mobile Ben Rothlisberger, Vince Young(a ways to go with the pass yet), Alex Smith, Tony Romo type where the QB is at home in the pocket, but can escape and has the speed for a first down. Defensive players are too Athletic for the Drew Bledsoes of the world. Mike rarely had good enough form to make an accurate throw, his fundamentals sucked, mostly because he was so athletic he got away with it until his 2 or 3rd year as a pro and that idiot Mora put him in that lame Maruichi/Knapp quasi west coast dink and dump system (all the while forgetting Warrick Dunn is a hell of a receiver but then Mike never went through his checks either)
That's why we were really hoping DJ Shockley would be #2 this year.
My Girlfriend said to me..."How many guitars do you need?" and I replied...."How many pairs of shoes do you need?" She got really quiet.
This guy is a real winner. Wow. I guess there is problem #1 I guess if there is money to be made and you're a complete failure as a human being, there's always your sons misery to mooch on.
Pathetic, It's extremely unfortunate it's so easy to breed.
My Girlfriend said to me..."How many guitars do you need?" and I replied...."How many pairs of shoes do you need?" She got really quiet.
This guy is a real winner. Wow. I guess there is problem #1 I guess if there is money to be made and you're a complete failure as a human being, there's always your sons misery to mooch on.
Pathetic, It's extremely unfortunate it's so easy to breed.
Well on Monday, we'll find out what specifically Vick has pleaded guilty to as well as his sentencing. After that, it will be interesting to see what the state of Virginia plans to charge with. Obviously there's no double jeopardy, but several large charges could be applied.
Vick is gonna have a new number and colored jersey... Prisoner xxxxxx in an Orange jumpsuit.
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Why do people keep saying, "Mike Vick made a mistake."
He did not make a mistake.
Running a red light by accident, thats a mistake. Typing "misteak" instead of "mistake", thats a mistake. Putting on one black dress sock with one navy blue dress sock, mistake.
Michael Vick comitted multiple acts of felony over an ongoing 6-8 year period, and he did so knowing full well what he was doing was illegal. Dogfighting, illegal. Gambling, or funding gambling rings, illegal. Transporting dogs across state lines for purposes of dogfighting, illegal. Executing dogs for not performing well in dogfighting matches, illegal.
Those are not "mistakes". "Ooops, I accidentally did all these illegal activities for the last 7 years, my bad."
Also, outright lying to your boss, lying to your owner, coach, comissioner, fans, etc, not mistakes. They are lies. He intended to do it, knowing it was wrong and he could get caught.
Im fucking amazed that ANYBODY is actually defending this guy, or using this issue to further their own causes. Ont the other hand, I am amazed that is has gotten THIS much attention.
He should serve his time, be suspended, deal with the consequences of his actions, and be done with it. If, after that, he feels he can play football and some dumbass owner wasnt to take a huge risk on this guy, he can deal with the backlash from the fans.
But putting him in jail for life or banning him from football, thats not going to make me think that dogfighting is not a problem anymore.
Why do people keep saying, "Mike Vick made a mistake."
He did not make a mistake.
Running a red light by accident, thats a mistake. Typing "misteak" instead of "mistake", thats a mistake. Putting on one black dress sock with one navy blue dress sock, mistake.
Michael Vick comitted multiple acts of felony over an ongoing 6-8 year period, and he did so knowing full well what he was doing was illegal. Dogfighting, illegal. Gambling, or funding gambling rings, illegal. Transporting dogs across state lines for purposes of dogfighting, illegal. Executing dogs for not performing well in dogfighting matches, illegal.
Those are not "mistakes". "Ooops, I accidentally did all these illegal activities for the last 7 years, my bad."
Also, outright lying to your boss, lying to your owner, coach, comissioner, fans, etc, not mistakes. They are lies. He intended to do it, knowing it was wrong and he could get caught.
Im fucking amazed that ANYBODY is actually defending this guy, or using this issue to further their own causes. Ont the other hand, I am amazed that is has gotten THIS much attention.
He should serve his time, be suspended, deal with the consequences of his actions, and be done with it. If, after that, he feels he can play football and some dumbass owner wasnt to take a huge risk on this guy, he can deal with the backlash from the fans.
But putting him in jail for life or banning him from football, thats not going to make me think that dogfighting is not a problem anymore.
but but but...he found god.....that's enough for me....
I'll be glad when this goes away. Mike Vick is another example of a minority athlete that is dumb as a fucking box of rocks that was given priviledges above others based solely on his ability to play football. How did this dumb ass graduate from any school?
I'll be glad when this goes away. Mike Vick is another example of a minority athlete that is dumb as a fucking box of rocks that was given priviledges above others based solely on his ability to play football. How did this dumb ass graduate from any school?
I hope he rots in jail.
I dont think him being a minority has anything to do with him being dumb.
He's an idiot. But those who think people are dumb becasue they are minorities are idiots themselves.
Assholes come in every color, and there are PLENTY of white people involved in dogfighting.
People have to realize the majority of human opinion rules. The majority of people have had a dog and considered it a part of the family. Dogs do have the mentality of a 5 yr old human after all.
Not too many people keep a deer, moose or bear , wild pig etc in the house, or can associate with them, train them, etc...
regardless... Dog's go back through several thousands of years of societal domestication.
Very few people in the world actively hunt or eat dogs as well.
Therein lies the obvious difference(s).
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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well, I mean Mike bought the athletic center I believe for Va Tech or at least donated enought to put his name on it so I guess they got thier investment back.
who the fuck is defending the guy...I'm serious...please read through this thread...
I say he should be punished...I say he should be treated like any other person...plain and simple...
gotcha...
I guess it all comes down to social norms...
killing a "wild" animal = good clean fun
killing a dog = bad
basically one is accepted as "normal", the other is not...please note: I'm discussing social norms and not saying dogfighting is ok...
I don't know if that's the social norm... I would bet that most people have different levels of comfort with hunting.
For me, if you are going to eat the animal and it's done in a legal way that has been set up with conservation and population control in mind (like deer season), then I am ok with it. If you are just sport hunting for the thrill of the kill and don't eat what you shoot, or poach for profit, then you are no better than someone who participates in dog fighting.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Jonathan Babaneaux is on trial for basically clubbing his "girlfriend's" pit bull to death earlier this year (pre Vick Trial) but since most people haven't heard of him I guess there isn't any publicity to get from protesting.
killing a dog (for sport only) = bad=illegal and not accepted by majority
dog fighting (and/or cock fighting, dog vs. hog, etc.)=illegal gambling=two illegal activities combined together
So as much as the media may not stop hyping the story or animal rights groups denouncing him, there's a price to pay for being famous. And albeit he's receiving terrible press and pr from all this, his status as a star/ famous person actually helps his standing and will give him less to be sorry and accountable for.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
What's the buzz on Petrino coaching the Falcons this year? ARe folks excited or disappointed?
Marbury compared dogfighting to hunting.
Most hunters don't kill for " good, clean fun ". Most hunters while they enjoy the hunting, they hunt within the laws of their state; they kill the deer and then use the deer meat for food.
Most hunters I know don't appreciate those who go hunting for sport or for "fun".
Killing animals for food is not even in the same universe as what Vick (or any other of these scumbags) have been doing (and continue to do), with these dogs and dogfighing.
Although what a lot of these corporations do to animals to provide us with their meat, is vile and an outrage.
Killing for sport is dispicable. You know, like Cheney and his hunting pals.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
exactly....!
yup, this is about right...
I do find it interesting that most hunting is seen as "hunting for food"...I contend the food part of hunting is a bonus...I say people hunt for the thrill...the food is a byproduct hunting...there is plenty of food available...in fact wild game can be purchased fairly easily...
http://gourmetfood.about.com/od/wheretobuygourmetfoods/tp/wildgameshop.htm
but that's another debate...
The hard core fans.... around 35K in the stadium and maybe 65K without season tickets are very excited. They've only given up one sack in 67 attempts and the offense is wide open and moving the ball.
You'll see tons of empty seats or other team color jerseys quite a bit, monday night will be no exception but that's par for the course in Atlanta. Hey, if they built the freaking stadium on the northside and it didn't take the whole day to go, more butts would be in the seats but oh well. They've never had B2B winning seasons either so that's got a lot to do with it.
This is the best coach we have had since Dan Reeves thankfully he's only coaching where as Dan's achilles heal was his GM job.
I've you're a Lou ville fan you've seen the offense, the flexibility is what makes it ingenious I'm just not sure they have the talent to execute.
I'm thinking they will have a better year than many think though, but in general... the town is depressed and waiting for the draft.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Hehe yeah, it is another debate. My roomate in college was an avid hunter, and being from Chicago I was a little naive about the whole process. Most people who hunt for food keep most of the carcass. Those who hunt for the "Thrill" have to hunt within certain limits, ie, not killing pregnant females, (if they happen to be pregnant for some reason out of season) not killing certain size deer, etc. If they decide to keep the "trophy" of the deer, ie, the rack or head, they typically donate the meat, so that others can buy it in the type sof wild game shops you listed above.
And in many cases, they donate the meat to local homeless shelters.
Again, I couldnt hunt, but there is a need for it, as deer have lost their natural predators and populations have increased.
http://www.lib.niu.edu/ipo/1996/ic961104.html
EDIT: Sorry, this was as of 1996. I quoted the wrong article. Current estimates are well over 1 mil.
Illinois deer population is near 800,000. And its widely regulated. You cant just go wandering off slaughtering deer. But if someone does that whos just a popular as Michael Vick, he would be under similar scrutiny.
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Vick isn't the type of quarterback that the Louisville offense was built around. It's odd to think of him running. It may be better without him, given the scheme. It'll be interesting for sure!
And I forgot to post this.
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I wouldn't argue that point. Thus why I said hunters enjoy the hunt.
But the important point to remember is that most hunters stay within the parameters of the law and don't allow their primal urges to get a hold of them.
I'm not a hunter (although a gun owner). But I learned to hunt and search for food (grubs, berries...etc)for the sake of survival. if I'm ever stranded or in a situation where I need to hunt for food, I can survive.
yeah Ideally, I think they'd love to have a mobile guy with better passing skills. Vick was the prototype but he's still short and never has been a great QB mainly because he was so good with his legs he never spent enough time learning an offense.
I think the wave of the Future is the semi or very mobile Ben Rothlisberger, Vince Young(a ways to go with the pass yet), Alex Smith, Tony Romo type where the QB is at home in the pocket, but can escape and has the speed for a first down. Defensive players are too Athletic for the Drew Bledsoes of the world. Mike rarely had good enough form to make an accurate throw, his fundamentals sucked, mostly because he was so athletic he got away with it until his 2 or 3rd year as a pro and that idiot Mora put him in that lame Maruichi/Knapp quasi west coast dink and dump system (all the while forgetting Warrick Dunn is a hell of a receiver but then Mike never went through his checks either)
That's why we were really hoping DJ Shockley would be #2 this year.
This guy is a real winner. Wow. I guess there is problem #1 I guess if there is money to be made and you're a complete failure as a human being, there's always your sons misery to mooch on.
Pathetic, It's extremely unfortunate it's so easy to breed.
Wow, I can smell that one from here....
Vick is gonna have a new number and colored jersey... Prisoner xxxxxx in an Orange jumpsuit.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
He did not make a mistake.
Running a red light by accident, thats a mistake. Typing "misteak" instead of "mistake", thats a mistake. Putting on one black dress sock with one navy blue dress sock, mistake.
Michael Vick comitted multiple acts of felony over an ongoing 6-8 year period, and he did so knowing full well what he was doing was illegal. Dogfighting, illegal. Gambling, or funding gambling rings, illegal. Transporting dogs across state lines for purposes of dogfighting, illegal. Executing dogs for not performing well in dogfighting matches, illegal.
Those are not "mistakes". "Ooops, I accidentally did all these illegal activities for the last 7 years, my bad."
Also, outright lying to your boss, lying to your owner, coach, comissioner, fans, etc, not mistakes. They are lies. He intended to do it, knowing it was wrong and he could get caught.
Im fucking amazed that ANYBODY is actually defending this guy, or using this issue to further their own causes. Ont the other hand, I am amazed that is has gotten THIS much attention.
He should serve his time, be suspended, deal with the consequences of his actions, and be done with it. If, after that, he feels he can play football and some dumbass owner wasnt to take a huge risk on this guy, he can deal with the backlash from the fans.
But putting him in jail for life or banning him from football, thats not going to make me think that dogfighting is not a problem anymore.
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I hope he rots in jail.
I dont think him being a minority has anything to do with him being dumb.
He's an idiot. But those who think people are dumb becasue they are minorities are idiots themselves.
Assholes come in every color, and there are PLENTY of white people involved in dogfighting.
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Not too many people keep a deer, moose or bear , wild pig etc in the house, or can associate with them, train them, etc...
regardless... Dog's go back through several thousands of years of societal domestication.
Very few people in the world actively hunt or eat dogs as well.
Therein lies the obvious difference(s).
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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