Michael Vick

g under p

g under p wrote:

Get ready for the orange jumpsuit MV.

Funny though that you can kill, maim bet on a dog and he'll get up to 20 years while a preacher's wife can can shoot and kill her husband and get out of jail in 6 MONTHS. Worse now she's seeking custody of her dead husband's kids, guess what she'll probably get them.

Sad case of American justice.

PaperPlates wrote:

Sad case of leaping to conclusions here pal. Vick hasnt been sentenced as far as I know. And "up to" 20 years RARELY ends up being 20 years. Especially for the wealthy. Vick probably won't even do time, and will even probably be playing again in a year or two. Just my guess.

Also, Im sure the preachers wife you refer to could have gotten "up to" a lot more than she got.

Sad case of ignorance of the American Justice System.

With his plea he WILL do time and alot more time than that preacher's wife and she'll still get her kids back.

Still a sad case of American Justice.

Peace

FiveB247x

He will have a second chance at life and being a good person, but it just wont be in the NFL. Rules and procedures are their not to be broken and if you do break them, you run the risk of your acessibility to things like participation.

If I remember correctly, don't certain level convicts lose their right to vote? Or don't pediphile get put on specific lists and have to abide by a certain standards for everyone's well being once they get released from prison? It's the same in this situation, Vick just blew his chance in the NFL.

I don't understand how anyone could feel bad or side with this guy in any respect. If average Joe Citizen got caught doing all these things, they'd go to jail for 25+ yrs, their life would be over, and if/when they got out of prison, they'd have nothing to their name, no family, no money, no job - and here people are defending a guy who will walk free in probably a yr or two (a slap on the wrist) and come back to the lifestyle of a millionaire.

inmytree wrote:

please note, I'm in no way supporting Vick or is actions...I just happen to believe in second chances...

did Vick do something horrible? yup...

should he be punished...? yup...

should have a right, like every person, to rebuild his life and move on...? yup...

again, he didn't kill anyone...I'm pretty sure when people are eating their hamburgers, chicken sandwiches, and BLT's today, not one thought will go into how the animal was killed for their pleasure...

it's ok for hunters to kill deer, bears, and grouse...all for pleasure...

as I said, I'm not saying what vick did is ok...but if he were a fan of big game hunting, no one would care...

I just happen to see some irony in this whole situation...and I think many dog lovers are blinded by their anger when addressing this situation....

gimmesometruth27

JD Sal wrote:

I'm sure a lot of us have driven drunk at least once in our lives and that one time could have resulted in a terrible tragedy like what happened in Little's situation. But he actually got a 2nd DUI shortly after he killed that poor woman, and sadly it got very little press coverage. There's absolutely no excuse for him to drink and drive again after what happened.

The NFL set a bad precedent with the Little case. They shouldn't be able to ban Vick for life for killing dogs, however they may be able to do so for the gambling charges. I just wish people would gain a little perspective on this issue and remember those that were given a 2nd chance for committing worse crimes.

i am not sure about anybody else, but i think that people are inclined to forgive things that are accidental, like the little drunk driving wreck. i have said it before i think little should have been banned for life, especially after his 2nd dui.

some things happen spur of the moment and escalate like the thing with pacman at the strip club, one of his dumbass hangers on shot and paralyzed someone. that is the kind of thing that has become the norm in professional sports, and celebrities as a whole these days, its not the athletes so much that make mistakes, its their posse that gets involved with things. thug life, ya know?

i think vick deserves banishment because all of this was so blatantly premeditated, and i think that is what is going to stick with him for as long as he lives. "conspiracy" implies planning in attempt to carry out an activity, and he will plead guilty to it. if you knowingly break so many laws and have no remorse he should never play in the nfl again.

fanch75

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

some things happen spur of the moment and escalate like the thing with pacman at the strip club

"Make it rain!"

inmytree

FiveB247x wrote:

He will have a second chance at life and being a good person, but it just wont be in the NFL. Rules and procedures are their not to be broken and if you do break them, you run the risk of your acessibility to things like participation.

If I remember correctly, don't certain level convicts lose their right to vote? Or don't pediphile get put on specific lists and have to abide by a certain standards for everyone's well being once they get released from prison? It's the same in this situation, Vick just blew his chance in the NFL.

I don't understand how anyone could feel bad or side with this guy in any respect. If average Joe Citizen got caught doing all these things, they'd go to jail for 25+ yrs, their life would be over, and if/when they got out of prison, they'd have nothing to their name, no family, no money, no job - and here people are defending a guy who will walk free in probably a yr or two (a slap on the wrist) and come back to the lifestyle of a millionaire.

you say "I don't understand how anyone could feel bad or side with this guy in any respect"...question: who feels bad or is siding with the vick..? just because I disagree with the notion that his life should be over does not mean I support him...another thing, you don't "understand" because you don't want to...emotions tend to cloud judgment...

I'm saying he should have an opportunity for a second chance at anything he choses...if not, why don't we just hang him from the highest tree and be done with him...?

also, I'm unsure where you getting the 25+yrs thing...are you making that up or do you have a source...?

it's funny that people get all caught on with Vick because he's made some money...I'd be willing to bet you could not name either of the co-defendants without a google search...are you overly concerned about their future...?

again, I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished...

AmentsChick

I say they do to him what he did to the dogs. :mad: :(

inmytree

AmentsChick wrote:

I say they do to him what he did to the dogs. :mad: :(

and that makes you as bad as vick...

string him to the highest tree, huh...? :rolleyes:

AmentsChick

I should've known better than to post over on AMT. Oh well. That'll be it for me. I'm going back to AET where it's safe.

inmytree

AmentsChick wrote:

I should've known better than to post over on AMT. Oh well. That'll be it for me. I'm going back to AET where it's safe.

sorry...I didn't mean to offend...

TrixieCat

inmytree wrote:

and that makes you as bad as vick...

string him to the highest tree, huh...? :rolleyes:

Don't be narrow minded.
She is pissed that this happened. End of story.

FiveB247x

If an average citizen was caught for running a gambling ring which included training and executing dogs (which is estimated at roughly 6yrs in prison and a fine of 250k). Vick pleaded yesterday because he would have received more indiments which would cover multi-state gambling amongst other more serious offenses he broke. All in total he could have been found guilty and sentenced to over 25 yrs in jail. He came to a deal (plea), which will possibly make him go to jail for roughly a yr or two at the maximum instead of the 6yrs which were initally detailled.

Now mind, you, if this is joe citizen, you think a plea bargain of such minor consequence would be sought? Of course not!! The evidence is overwelming and there are a ton of witnesses as well. He will get off easy with this watered down ruling where as most would serve a ton of time because he's famous and they want to make sure they get a guilty verdict and not risk losing that.

Also, Vick's "second chance" in the NFL is solely based upon his conduct from the past and these current ongoings. He will not receive a slap on the wrist for that nor does he deserve one. It's all based upon the NFL procedures of code and conduct and considering things like running a gambling ring, gambling, executing dogs, lying to the Commisher several times, breaking other specific US laws which designate suspension in the NFL, it will all come down on him and he won't be getting a second chance to play. His "second chance" will be getting out of jail, not playing in the NFL. Just as Pete Rose wasn't given a second chance in baseball (to play, coach, etc), he payed his debt to society (from crimes he committed), and moved on his life - Vick will be doing the same.

Also, simple real life example. If a teacher has sexual relations with a student (minor), goes to jail, serves the time and is released. Are laws and policies not in place so that the person who committed these crimes not be allowed back to their previous life (being a teacher) because they violated such codes of conduct? Of course they would never allow such a thing to occur, because the person lost that right and chance to be a teacher when they broke the rules.

inmytree wrote:

you say "I don't understand how anyone could feel bad or side with this guy in any respect"...question: who feels bad or is siding with the vick..? just because I disagree with the notion that his life should be over does not mean I support him...another thing, you don't "understand" because you don't want to...emotions tend to cloud judgment...

I'm saying he should have an opportunity for a second chance at anything he choses...if not, why don't we just hang him from the highest tree and be done with him...?

also, I'm unsure where you getting the 25+yrs thing...are you making that up or do you have a source...?

it's funny that people get all caught on with Vick because he's made some money...I'd be willing to bet you could not name either of the co-defendants without a google search...are you overly concerned about their future...?

again, I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished...

josevolution

just a ?? does everybody here actually believe that he is only responsible for the execution of only 8 dogs ,not me he probably killed double that # this man is a coward at best, he should never ever be allowed to be on a football field again .........

FiveB247x

That's true as well, but you can't convict of stuff you don't have proof for.

But I do agree, this is just the stuff they found out about and were able to use.

josevolution wrote:

just a ?? does everybody here actually believe that he is only responsible for the execution of only 8 dogs ,not me he probably killed double that # this man is a coward at best, he should never ever be allowed to be on a football field again .........

inmytree

TrixieCat wrote:

Don't be narrow minded.
She is pissed that this happened. End of story.

I understand being pissed...I understand that this story angers everyone...what I don't understand is the lynchmob mentality toward Vick...

in other words, there is more to the story...

inmytree

FiveB247x wrote:

If an average citizen was caught for running a gambling ring which included training and executing dogs (which is estimated at roughly 6yrs in prison and a fine of 250k). Vick pleaded yesterday because he would have received more indiments which would cover multi-state gambling amongst other more serious offenses he broke. All in total he could have been found guilty and sentenced to over 25 yrs in jail. He came to a deal (plea), which will possibly make him go to jail for roughly a yr or two at the maximum instead of the 6yrs which were initally detailled.

Now mind, you, if this is joe citizen, you think a plea bargain of such minor consequence would be sought? Of course not!! The evidence is overwelming and there are a ton of witnesses as well. He will get off easy with this watered down ruling where as most would serve a ton of time because he's famous and they want to make sure they get a guilty verdict and not risk losing that.

Also, Vick's "second chance" in the NFL is solely based upon his conduct from the past and these current ongoings. He will not receive a slap on the wrist for that nor does he deserve one. It's all based upon the NFL procedures of code and conduct and considering things like running a gambling ring, gambling, executing dogs, lying to the Commisher several times, breaking other specific US laws which designate suspension in the NFL, it will all come down on him and he won't be getting a second chance to play. His "second chance" will be getting out of jail, not playing in the NFL. Just as Pete Rose wasn't given a second chance in baseball (to play, coach, etc), he payed his debt to society (from crimes he committed), and moved on his life - Vick will be doing the same.

Also, simple real life example. If a teacher has sexual relations with a student (minor), goes to jail, serves the time and is released. Are laws and policies not in place so that the person who committed these crimes not be allowed back to their previous life (being a teacher) because they violated such codes of conduct? Of course they would never allow such a thing to occur, because the person lost that right and chance to be a teacher when they broke the rules.

so, what's the names of the co-defendants...? and the teacher thing doesn't work here..if vick were going to work at a vets office, then it may apply...

FiveB247x

Are you trying to say that Vick is somehow the "scapegoat" in this? Do you realize the guys who turned on Vick by copping plea bargains and pointing the finger at Vick will be doing more time than Vick (and factually they've done a lot less then Vick according to the record)? Or that all these investigations are over a 3yr period, but date back to his college days at V-tech (which was prior to 2001)?

People are outraged cause it's despicable behavior and very sick. It's not unjust, nor is it lynch mob or more importantly - undeserved.

inmytree wrote:

I understand being pissed...I understand that this story angers everyone...what I don't understand is the lynchmob mentality toward Vick...

in other words, there is more to the story...

FiveB247x

As I stated above, his co-defendents will be doing more hard time than Vick, yet technically have done less than Vick. Vick bankrolled the entire operation on top of the same criminal offenses the co-defense carried out. So I don't see any validity in mentioning them, because they got it harder than Vick (who has more evidence of wrong-doing), yet will get less penalty.

Plain and simple, just becaue he serves his time and debt to society, does that mean he can pick up where he left off.. ie the NFL. He did enough harm to keep himself out of the NFL long after he's out of jail. His second chance in life is to have a life when returning from jail - not returning to the NFL.

inmytree wrote:

so, what's the names of the co-defendants...? and the teacher thing doesn't work here..if vick were going to work at a vets office, then it may apply...

callen

inmytree wrote:

you say "I don't understand how anyone could feel bad or side with this guy in any respect"...question: who feels bad or is siding with the vick..? just because I disagree with the notion that his life should be over does not mean I support him...another thing, you don't "understand" because you don't want to...emotions tend to cloud judgment...

I'm saying he should have an opportunity for a second chance at anything he choses...if not, why don't we just hang him from the highest tree and be done with him...?

also, I'm unsure where you getting the 25+yrs thing...are you making that up or do you have a source...?

it's funny that people get all caught on with Vick because he's made some money...I'd be willing to bet you could not name either of the co-defendants without a google search...are you overly concerned about their future...?

again, I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished...

you have some great points and I tend to agree with you.....think people should be given a second chance......its just the thought of a person that kills an animal for pleasure...not for food..or protection..but for pleasure...that's the thing that gets to me. I don't consider this guy or others that torture animals human.....I see them as dimented animals. I hope his career is over...I hope a message is sent that we do indeed have a somewhat civilized society and won't tolerate mean, inconsiderate humans doing such things. Guess maybe that's the thing that's buggin me about this...fkn inconsiderate people....how freakin inconsiderate do you have to be to kill....fk him Phew..almost feel better and you are right....emotions are high on this..and it does cloud judgement......I'm guilty.

Peace

callen

FiveB247x wrote:

As I stated above, his co-defendents will be doing more hard time than Vick, yet technically have done less than Vick. Vick bankrolled the entire operation on top of the same criminal offenses the co-defense carried out. So I don't see any validity in mentioning them, because they got it harder than Vick (who has more evidence of wrong-doing), yet will get less penalty.

Plain and simple, just becaue he serves his time and debt to society, does that mean he can pick up where he left off.. ie the NFL. He did enough harm to keep himself out of the NFL long after he's out of jail. His second chance in life is to have a life when returning from jail - not returning to the NFL.

Vick had the cash to make all this possible. Now Vick will be paying dearly....he lost his standing, fame and tons of cash. He's paying....enough..naw...he's a punk. Remember he denied that he was involved till the testimony against him came out.......guess after you slaughter animals for fun lying must be a peice of cake......

jlew24asu

TrixieCat wrote:

Don't be narrow minded.
She is pissed that this happened. End of story.

he's not being narrow minded. just honest. now get back to your section.