Did Obama campaign bar two Muslim women from photo?

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  • chipboy
    chipboy Posts: 137
    I think it is all controlled. In St Paul the arena was all filled in first come first served except the seats directly behind Obama which we taped off and filled in later. Then anyone near the stage was given a sign or a flag. I work near the arena and the day before the event people were making up a bunch of hand written signs like "Unify the Party" or "Women for Obama." Obama's camp is excellent at choreographing the image you see on tv. Much better than McCain who has been tweaking his speeches since day one.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    How about keeping your integrity and not denying these women their seats based on their race OVER the risk of being made to look like 'jihad loving muslim' because the only people that buy into that kind of crap already have their minds made up and think that way anyway.


    yeah, i am sure obama made that decision personally :rolleyes:
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    americans are so funny... they want to focus on ANYTHING but the issues... especially now that race has come into the picture in a presidential election


    the dumb shit is hitting a new historic high
  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    reborncareerist wrote:
    Agreed. No matter what happened, he'd catch flack for this.

    Exactly. Honestly, to risk sounding like a roland style conspiracy theorist, i wouldn't be surprised if they weren't really muslims but thespian plants. Either way his detractors would have a line of attack. Unlikely, but possible. To be truthful, i wouldn't want to be a volunteer making that call. i agree with those that say sit them based on freedom's principle. For someone like Obama, however, given the history of attacks against him, this is a sticky situation and tough call. Rock and a hard place.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    my2hands wrote:
    yeah, i am sure obama made that decision personally :rolleyes:


    Because that's exactly what I said...
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • chipboy
    chipboy Posts: 137
    What if they were wearing "McCain '08" shirts? Would it have been ok to discriminate based on that and not let them be seated behind the stage?
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    How about keeping your integrity and not denying these women their seats based on their race OVER the risk of being made to look like 'jihad loving muslim' because the only people that buy into that kind of crap already have their minds made up and think that way anyway.

    I totally agree with you on what should have been done, and it's a shame that those types of thoughts (by whoever made that decision) even exists.
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  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    chipboy wrote:
    What if they were wearing "McCain '08" shirts? Would it have been ok to discriminate based on that and not let them be seated behind the stage?

    That comparison doesn't really work - that's not based on race. I wouldn't expect them to let KKK hoods into the picture, or anything else that could be deemed offensive, or harmful to his campaign. But Muslim headscarves are not harmful to his campaign.
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  • Nevermind
    Nevermind Posts: 1,006
    We should focus on abortion and allowing gays the right to lose half their shit. Its way more important than racism.
  • chipboy
    chipboy Posts: 137
    I think a candidate has the right to control the image he wants to present on tv for the most part. I can certainly understand why John McCain wouldn't want a group of 90 year olds behind him that would perpetuate the "too old" image he is already fighting so why can't Obama attempt to disconnect with the "he's a muslim" tag by not having muslims in the screen shot. Much ado about nothing I say.
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    chipboy wrote:
    I think a candidate has the right to control the image he wants to present on tv for the most part. I can certainly understand why John McCain wouldn't want a group of 90 year olds behind him that would perpetuate the "too old" image he is already fighting so why can't Obama attempt to disconnect with the "he's a muslim" tag by not having muslims in the screen shot. Much ado about nothing I say.
    Of course he has the right. however his choice has consequences and indicates where he truly stands, beyond the rhetoric.
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  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    Why is this shocking? and no it's not just a couple of volunteers. it's the whole Obama theme. Get away from anything Muslim.

    Just look at his web site, links to CNN videos showing clips of how Obama is not a muslim. I mean how low is Obama that he goes through such extremes to show that he is a good christian and not and never has been a muslim.
  • chipboy
    chipboy Posts: 137
    For all the good he may or may not do once he is elected the first goal is to actually get elected. He is still a politician. He has already denounced his church and started wearing flag pins to increase his electablity so why does this surprise anyone?
  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    But Muslim headscarves are not harmful to his campaign.
    i'm not so sure i agree. They shouldn't be. But the "Obama is a secret muslim, Obama is loved by Hamas, Obama's middle name is Hussein, etc. line of attacks have been dogging his campaign since before the beginning. i'm not saying that i agree with the decision made by the volunteers, only that i understand how it would be a tough call and wouldn't want to make it. The political right would run with it regardless of what decision was made.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    chipboy wrote:
    For all the good he may or may not do once he is elected the first goal is to actually get elected. He is still a politician. He has already denounced his church and started wearing flag pins to increase his electablity so why does this surprise anyone?

    Because his whole campaign is based on not buying into the bullshit political machinations? Y'know... change we can believe in?

    (Unless you're a Muslim, apparently. :o;))
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  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    angelica wrote:
    however his choice has consequences and indicates where he truly stands, beyond the rhetoric.

    No it doesn't. THIS choice paints him into a corner. There is no way out of this one. It makes it impossible to show where you truly stand.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    cornnifer wrote:
    i'm not so sure i agree. They shouldn't be. But the "Obama is a secret muslim, Obama is loved by Hamas, Obama's middle name is Hussein, etc. line of attacks have been dogging his campaign since before the beginning. i'm not saying that i agree with the decision made by the volunteers, only that i understand how it would be a tough call and wouldn't want to make it. The political right would run with it regardless of what decision was made.

    But like Abook said, anyone who's gonna believe he's a Muslim already believes he's a Muslim. He's fought that battle, and he's still fighting that battle, and he'll probably have to fight that battle until election day. But this just opens up a whole new avenue of "Obama as racist" headlines. Like you said, it probably seemed like a tough call on the spur of the moment - but I do believe this was the wrong call, on a PC basis AND a PR basis.
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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    chipboy wrote:
    For all the good he may or may not do once he is elected the first goal is to actually get elected. He is still a politician. He has already denounced his church and started wearing flag pins to increase his electablity so why does this surprise anyone?
    It doesn't surprise me at all! :)

    I think it's cool how he's reaping what he sows. As it always is...

    He can say what he wants, and attempt to "control" the desired image, and yet what is shines clearly for everyone to see! And to challenge him. As life does when we step out of line.

    Granted, he'll continue on carefully constructing the imaginary image, and people will gobble it up. And still, I enjoy to see the balance of life at play! :)
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    But Muslim headscarves are not harmful to his campaign.

    you OBVIOUSLY do not live in America
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    cornnifer wrote:
    No it doesn't. THIS choice paints him into a corner. There is no way out of this one. It makes it impossible to show where you truly stand.
    If you think we are separate from life, maybe. I, however, see the whole of things. This situation with all the variables makes a clear statement for those who have eyes to see!
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