Did Obama campaign bar two Muslim women from photo?

MrBrian

puremagic wrote:

The issue is, was it the right thing to do at the time and for me, I see no problem with them being asked to move. They weren't barred from the event. Making the assumption that my opinion is racially or religiously motivated signifies nic-picking, its not about me.

We're talking politics and like or not image is a major part of any candidate's campaign. The Obama's camp can apologize, they could never out live down such a photo. It would become RNC and FOX NEWS must have wallpaper.

Yeah so all this shows is that Obama is just another pathetic politician. He will set aside his beliefs to get ahead and will say and do anything to get what he wants. sure that's fine I guess, but he should not go around acting all above everyone else, when he's exactly like everyone else in his position. a viper on the hill.

And for the Obama supporters to then go around talking so highly of him, I dunno, I just think it's all stupid.

Yeah the guy ready to lead the 'free world', is so scared of a cloth on some young girls head. that's really what it is.

angelica

puremagic wrote:

The issue is, was it the right thing to do at the time and for me, I see no problem with them being asked to move. They weren't barred from the event. Making the assumption that my opinion is racially or religiously motivated signifies nic-picking, its not about me.

We're talking politics and like or not image is a major part of any candidate's campaign. The Obama's camp can apologize, they could never out live down such a photo. It would become RNC and FOX NEWS must have wallpaper.

When you support someone being moved based on their religious dress, that is very much about you. On one level it may be about politics. However, I am referring to the level where your words openly support discriminatory actions. And where you justify discrimination.

Its Evolution Baby

ANYONE who thinks that Obama pointed out those women himself and asked them to be removed is either Sean Hannity or one his followers.

Clearly it was a volunteer or someone in his campaign team that did this. Obama has other things to concern himself with then who sits where so for this to come down on him is unfair. That said it was his staff so he should issue some sort of apology on behalf of campaign.

But its definitely something that Fox News and other Obama Bashers will not let go.

Did you know that Obama hates white people as well? I saw it on Fox so it must be true...

MrBrian

Its Evolution Baby wrote:

ANYONE who thinks that Obama pointed out those women himself and asked them to be removed is either Sean Hannity or one his followers.

Clearly it was a volunteer or someone in his campaign team that did this. Obama has other things to concern himself with then who sits where so for this to come down on him is unfair. That said it was his staff so he should issue some sort of apology on behalf of campaign.

But its definitely something that Fox News and other Obama Bashers will not let go.

Did you know that Obama hates white people as well? I saw it on Fox so it must be true...

This whole thread just went over your head, right?

Its Evolution Baby

MrBrian wrote:

This whole thread just went over your head, right?

How so?

I don't think that this was in anyway a reflection of Obama. So I posted.

I didn't know I wasn't allowed to have an opinion on this matter. Thanks for correcting me. Ass.

El_Kabong

Its Evolution Baby wrote:

Clearly it was a volunteer or someone in his campaign team that did this. Obama has other things to concern himself with then who sits where so for this to come down on him is unfair. That said it was his staff so he should issue some sort of apology on behalf of campaign.

i'm not debating if obama told them to remove the girls or not, just saying even if it was a volunteer he should at least express he disagrees w/ what happened. volunteer or not they are in a way acting in his name

Its Evolution Baby

El_Kabong wrote:

i'm not debating if obama told them to remove the girls or not, just saying even if it was a volunteer he should at least express he disagrees w/ what happened. volunteer or not they are in a way acting in his name

I also agree he should issue a response. I said so later in the post.

I just think its getting a little ridiculous what he gets criticized for.

VictoryGin

El_Kabong wrote:

i'm not debating if obama told them to remove the girls or not, just saying even if it was a volunteer he should at least express he disagrees w/ what happened. volunteer or not they are in a way acting in his name

it is made very clear on the campaign that volunteers do not act in his name. representing him, yes. but not acting in his name. obama doesn't control volunteers. i don't think obama has to do anything. i've been to rallies of his that have thousands of people lined up beforehand and volunteers are doing crowd control or pulling people for the front. there is a big difference between volunteers and staff on his campaign, and on any large campaign i'm sure. staff are not allowed to talk to press, etc. whereas volunteers can do what they want but are encouraged to think, of course. but they can't control hundreds of volunteers' actions.

what a dumb issue.

El_Kabong

VictoryGin wrote:

it is made very clear on the campaign that volunteers do not act in his name. representing him, yes. but not acting in his name. obama doesn't control volunteers. i don't think obama has to do anything. i've been to rallies of his that have thousands of people lined up beforehand and volunteers are doing crowd control or pulling people for the front. there is a big difference between volunteers and staff on his campaign, and on any large campaign i'm sure. staff are not allowed to talk to press, etc. whereas volunteers can do what they want but are encouraged to think, of course. but they can't control hundreds of volunteers' actions.

what a dumb issue.

yeah, well, i'm saying if it were my campaign and it happened i'd make a statement that i disagreed w/ it...is it ok that i express this? i'm not saying he HAS to do it, i'm saying i *think* he *should*. i know it's impossible for a candidate to control what every volunteer but maybe they should have some sort of guidelines? and just b/c he can't control what they do doesn't mean he can't say he disagrees. it's a non factor to me regardless if says something or not, just giving my opinion

VictoryGin

MrBrian wrote:

Yeah for sure seating Ten people with brains will be easier than 7 thousand without. I would hate to be around that hassle.

Oh but i thought obama supporters were mere sheep and easy to control! give me a fucking break.

MrBrian

VictoryGin wrote:

Oh but i thought obama supporters were mere sheep and easy to control! give me a fucking break.

Yeah they have no brains and are easy to control.

i'm sorta just joking around, sorta.

Rats of Multa

VictoryGin wrote:

it is made very clear on the campaign that volunteers do not act in his name. representing him, yes. but not acting in his name. obama doesn't control volunteers. i don't think obama has to do anything. i've been to rallies of his that have thousands of people lined up beforehand and volunteers are doing crowd control or pulling people for the front. there is a big difference between volunteers and staff on his campaign, and on any large campaign i'm sure. staff are not allowed to talk to press, etc. whereas volunteers can do what they want but are encouraged to think, of course. but they can't control hundreds of volunteers' actions.

what a dumb issue.

this is kind of a dumb issue, yes; kind of completely relevant though too.

to me it reflects less on Obama or even his campaign in particular and instead is a key reflector on the overall state of politics and culture in america. i dont think it's sad to talk about it, but it's sad that we need to talk about it.

i think political "campaigns" have become so ridiculous in-essentia: there's one thing about putting a message out, getting up and greeting some scattered citizens, and there's another side that is solely about images and "buying" votes [which is different than selling one's self to investors] and pretending everything is superb when really everything is false and frighteningly (dangerously) primped and prepared for mass-consumption.

me thinks Obama is a pure (thoroughbred) politician (crooked robot).

angelica

Rats of Multa wrote:

... in-essentia: ...

*SIGH* (aka *swoon*)

Rats of Multa

angelica wrote:

*SIGH* (aka *swoon*)

hi *kisses* darling.

[just dont tell my bride,.. ]

cornnifer

puremagic wrote:

. It would become RNC and FOX NEWS must have wallpaper.

It is either way. Thats the rub. People here like to use this as a smear because they wouldn't be voting for Obama at anyway. Meh. They're gasping at straws. Flag pins and now this. Oh well.
Its also funny how people insist on "talking" like Obama personaly made the decision to not seat these people behind the podium. He greeted every atendee at the door and walked them arm in arm to their places like an usher at a wedding. Sheesh. It was most likely a spur of te moment decision and a tough one to make. None of these posters is running for president as a black guy with the middle name Hussein who has been repeatedly targeted by those who would paint him as Bin Laden's second cousin. Bunch of "armchair quarterbacks" with an anti-Obama agenda. Probably wasn't the right call to make, but this is a non-story.

cornnifer

El_Kabong wrote:

i'm not debating if obama told them to remove the girls or not, just saying even if it was a volunteer he should at least express he disagrees w/ what happened. volunteer or not they are in a way acting in his name

Um.... This from the article in the OP:

“This is of course not the policy of the campaign. It is offensive and counter to Obama’s commitment to bring Americans together and simply not the kind of campaign we run,” said Obama spokesman Bill Burton. “We sincerely apologize for the behavior of these volunteers.”

But anyway...

Rhinocerous Surprise

cornnifer wrote:

It is either way. Thats the rub. People here like to use this as a smear because they wouldn't be voting for Obama at anyway. Meh. They're gasping at straws. Flag pins and now this. Oh well.
Its also funny how people insist on "talking" like Obama personaly made the decision to not seat these people behind the podium. He greeted every atendee at the door and walked them arm in arm to their places like an usher at a wedding. Sheesh. It was most likely a spur of te moment decision and a tough one to make. None of these posters is running for president as a black guy with the middle name Hussein who has been repeatedly targeted by those who would paint him as Bin Laden's second cousin. Bunch of "armchair quarterbacks" with an anti-Obama agenda. Probably wasn't the right call to make, but this is a non-story.

Actually, I'd say it's an important story. Not as an Obama smear campaign, but as an indictment of how stupid prejudices are still very much a factor in American politics. As in, it's not a sign of Obama being anti-Muslim, or anything - but it's a clear sign that some people think being seen with a Muslim could actually cost Obama the election. And worse, they might be right.

(Clarification: I don't want Obama to win. I just don't want him to lose over something so stupid. :cool: )

Abookamongstthemany

cornnifer wrote:

Um.... This from the article in the OP:

“This is of course not the policy of the campaign. It is offensive and counter to Obama’s commitment to bring Americans together and simply not the kind of campaign we run,” said Obama spokesman Bill Burton. “We sincerely apologize for the behavior of these volunteers.”

But anyway...

Would you be so eager to hand out free passes and understanding had it been Hillary or McCain's campaign volunteers that made such a racial/ethnic based call?

It's all damage control after the fact now.

Its Evolution Baby

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Would you be so eager to hand out free passes and understanding had it been Hillary or McCain's campaign volunteers that made such a racial/ethnic based call?

It's all damage control after the fact now.

I will say that I would let it go as long as it was there campaign Volunteers and there was an apology issued. Again this was not in Obama's control just like it wouldn't have been in Hillary's or McCain's control.

Of course its damage control but so are most public apologies.

I am in the camp that this is Anti-Obama people grasping at straws.

cornnifer

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Would you be so eager to hand out free passes and understanding had it been Hillary or McCain's campaign volunteers that made such a racial/ethnic based call?

.

First of all, once again, "muslim" isn't a race or ethnicity. Its a religion. Now, to answer your question, Yes, i would have no choice but to handle clinton or mccain in the same fashion. This is just dumb.