What would happen in another circumstance is independent of what has and is happening in this one.
Do you continue to stand by the religious profiling and prejudicial treatment?
No, Angelica, the two circumstances are not independent. Its a vey valid point that a decision had to be made between the two and Obama would get blasted either way. The situation involves both possible scenarios.
Secondly, when did i ever say i stood by any type of profiling or prejudicial treatment? As a matter of fact, i've already stated that had i been one of the volunteers i would have made a different call.
Do you continue to blast Obama for a tough call made by some unpaid volunteer? i've been to a couple of Obama rallies (one small and one rather large) at the large one over ten thousand people were in, seated, and growing restless at least an hour and a half before Obama even showed up at the spot. i'm pretty sure his plane hadn't yet arrived while people were being seated. It isn't like Obama himself is walking around ushering people to their seats. Don't vote for the guy. Doesn't bother me in the slightest. Folks are really grasping at straws on this one though.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
No, Angelica, the two circumstances are not independent. Its a vey valid point that a decision had to be made between the two and Obama would get blasted either way. The situation involves both possible scenarios.
What I mean is that when Obama or anyone makes a choice, they are responsible exactly for what they have done. Period.
Secondly, when did i ever say i stood by any type of profiling or prejudicial treatment? As a matter of fact, i've already stated that had i been one of the volunteers i would have made a different call.
You are correct. My apologies for misconstruing that.
Do you continue to blast Obama for a tough call made by some unpaid volunteer? i've been to a couple of Obama rallies (one small and one rather large) at the large one over ten thousand people were in, seated, and growing restless at least an hour and a half before Obama even showed up at the spot. i'm pretty sure his plane hadn't yet arrived while people were being seated. It isn't like Obama himself is walking around ushering people to their seats. Don't vote for the guy. Doesn't bother me in the slightest. Folks are really grasping at straws on this one though.
I continue to say that Obama is only as strong as his weakest link. Just like Wal-mart is accountable for what it's check-out staff do. Whether we ascribe theoretical accountability or not the consequences speak for themselves.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I'll say another thing, I bet not one volunteer at a Nader rally would be so stupid to do anything like this.
But that's the difference. Many Obama supporters are kinda stupid. case solved.
I bet those volunteers even used Obama dream words while telling these Muslims girls that. "We BELIEVE you will ruin the photo op!" "We BELIEVE you will make Obama look Muslim"
I'll say another thing, I bet not one volunteer at a Nader rally would be so stupid to do anything like this.
You hit on why Obama is to a degree responsible for what goes on in the Obama-camp. He is the leader. He creates the vibe/mindset etc that brings everyone together. He willingly takes this role. This is why if he becomes President, he'll be responsible for what the least among him do, also, like killing in a war. It's his vision that brings everyone together.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
What I mean is that when Obama or anyone makes a choice, they are responsible exactly for what they have done. Period.
You are correct. My apologies for misconstruing that.
I continue to say that Obama is only as strong as his weakest link. Just like Wal-mart is accountable for what it's check-out staff do. Whether we ascribe theoretical accountability or not the consequences speak for themselves.
Obama didn't make the choice. Period.
At least the cashier at Wal-MArt is a paid staffer. And if the cashier at Wal-mart puposefully shortchanges customers, the cashier will be fired. Wal-mart may be legally responsible, but the managers and CEO's are in no way morally or ethically responsible as shortchanging customers is, i'm guessing, outside of company policy. Period.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
I'll say another thing, I bet not one volunteer at a Nader rally would be so stupid to do anything like this.
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You're probably right. Then again Raph Nader has never been accused of being a radical Muslim sympathizer. Futhermore seating ten people is a little lesser challenge than seating several thousand.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
Obama didn't make the choice. Period.
At least the cashier at Wal-MArt is a paid staffer. And if the cashier at Wal-mart puposefully shortchanges customers, the cashier will be fired. Wal-mart may be legally responsible, but the managers and CEO's are in no way morally or ethically responsible as shortchanging customers is, i'm guessing, outside of company policy. Period.
I understand that you are seeing this differently than I am. I'm not talking about human-defined consequences. I refer to natural consequences. Obama and his personal purposes are receiving consequences, as we speak, over this issue. It's how life works.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
When a customer was treated rudely by the check-out staff at Walmart, and decide to no longer shop at that store, Walmart experiences consequences for what an individual staff member has done. natural consequences.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
You hit on why Obama is to a degree responsible for what goes on in the Obama-camp. He is the leader. He creates the vibe/mindset etc that brings everyone together. He willingly takes this role. This is why if he becomes President, he'll be responsible for what the least among him do, also, like killing in a war. It's his vision that brings everyone together.
Exactly, and the type of people drawn to Obama, well perhaps I rather not get into that.
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I mean Obama, all he has to say is "Islam is not my enemy, ignorance is, I am not a muslim, but even if I were, why is that a bad thing? We will all unite, come together and bring true peace to america. A new begining for america starts today"...or sometg like that.
But mostly all we get is, "I am not a muslim, I have never been a muslim and that is insulting to my faith"
Like when he spoke at a synagogue, he had to go on about how he is not a muslim and never been one! which brought some laughs and smiles from the crowd, which was kinda sick to watch.
Obama is fighting ignorance with...well...ignorance.
You're probably right. Then again Raph Nader has never been accused of being a radical Muslim sympathizer. Futhermore seating ten people is a little lesser challenge than seating several thousand.
Yeah for sure seating Ten people with brains will be easier than 7 thousand without. I would hate to be around that hassle.
Paranoia will destroy ya. Take off the aluminum foil hat.
It is interesting that you support racial profiling.
We're talking about political campaigning, a nasty business. Obama's presence in this campaign opened the door to race and religion and the RNC will take what it can get and fabricate the rest. To believe such a tactic could not be used against him physically is being naive.
If those two women would have sat behind Obama, that picture would have been edited and reedited with every conceivable title possible. They would have become his sisters, his lost wives, lovers, or two of the virgins that couldn't wait for him to die. He would have depicted as a terrorist's lover and a terrorist's supporter,
With Obama in the picture, nasty takes on a whole new meaning. It has become worst, it has become personal, it has become dangerous. When have you heard another opponent within their own party hint of assassination, and remember they had to make a special exception for early Secret Service protection due to threats. Paranoid, no, but also not naive enough to see that the seed has been planted. People who didn't realize they could hate, have found it easy to agree with hatefulness. Caution should prevail both for political and security reasons.
I see no harm in asking them to move. Hell, at least they got in the event dress like that. Do you think they'd would have made it through the doors of a McCain gathering?
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I see no harm in asking them to move. Hell, at least they got in the event dress like that. Do you think they'd would have made it through the doors of a McCain gathering?
Sounds like excuses.
and dressed like what? a cloth on their heads? it's not like they were wearing a bomb vest.
We're talking about political campaigning, a nasty business. Obama's presence in this campaign opened the door to race and religion and the RNC will take what it can get and fabricate the rest. To believe such a tactic could not be used against him physically is being naive.
If those two women would have sat behind Obama, that picture would have been edited and reedited with every conceivable title possible. They would have become his sisters, his lost wives, lovers, or two of the virgins that couldn't wait for him to die. He would have depicted as a terrorist's lover and a terrorist's supporter,
With Obama in the picture, nasty takes on a whole new meaning. It has become worst, it has become personal, it has become dangerous. When have you heard another opponent within their own party hint of assassination, and remember they had to make a special exception for early Secret Service protection due to threats. Paranoid, no, but also not naive enough to see that the seed has been planted. People who didn't realize they could hate, have found it easy to agree with hatefulness. Caution should prevail both for political and security reasons.
I see no harm in asking them to move. Hell, at least they got in the event dress like that. Do you think they'd would have made it through the doors of a McCain gathering?
So you continue to support and justify religious profiling and prejudicial treatment?
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Two Muslim women at Barack Obama's rally in Detroit on Monday were barred from sitting behind the podium by campaign volunteers seeking to prevent the women's headscarves from appearing in photographs or on television with the candidate.
no, but they did choose not to pick them to be behind Obama during his speech. Bad decision, yes considering one was a lawyer, but they weren't barred from appearing in a photo, one was in a photo with him after the speech. Choosing who stands behind a candidate during a speech is done in a very not a politically correct way. non-story IMO
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Too bad Muslims can't be on a picture with the man who claims he wants to bring people of all faiths and beliefs together.
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"Whatever we once were, we are no longer just a Christian nation; we are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers."
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Too bad Muslims can't be on a picture with the man who claims he wants to bring people of all faiths and beliefs together.
Change you can believe in, but you can't photograph it!
Change you can believe in, but you can't photograph it!
Nice point. And it reveals how the generic Obama-view (as represented by whomever, in any given moment) is not aligned in thought, word and deed. (among the other thoughts/words/deeds that continue to reveal this)
Reminds me of something someone once said about being wary of wolves in sheep's clothing. And that we'll know them by their deeds. As it always is....
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
You're probably right. Then again Raph Nader has never been accused of being a radical Muslim sympathizer. Futhermore seating ten people is a little lesser challenge than seating several thousand.
The issue is, was it the right thing to do at the time and for me, I see no problem with them being asked to move. They weren't barred from the event. Making the assumption that my opinion is racially or religiously motivated signifies nic-picking, its not about me.
We're talking politics and like or not image is a major part of any candidate's campaign. The Obama's camp can apologize, they could never out live down such a photo. It would become RNC and FOX NEWS must have wallpaper.
SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
The issue is, was it the right thing to do at the time and for me, I see no problem with them being asked to move. They weren't barred from the event. Making the assumption that my opinion is racially or religiously motivated signifies nic-picking, its not about me.
We're talking politics and like or not image is a major part of any candidate's campaign. The Obama's camp can apologize, they could never out live down such a photo. It would become RNC and FOX NEWS must have wallpaper.
Yeah so all this shows is that Obama is just another pathetic politician. He will set aside his beliefs to get ahead and will say and do anything to get what he wants. sure that's fine I guess, but he should not go around acting all above everyone else, when he's exactly like everyone else in his position. a viper on the hill.
And for the Obama supporters to then go around talking so highly of him, I dunno, I just think it's all stupid.
Yeah the guy ready to lead the 'free world', is so scared of a cloth on some young girls head. that's really what it is.
The issue is, was it the right thing to do at the time and for me, I see no problem with them being asked to move. They weren't barred from the event. Making the assumption that my opinion is racially or religiously motivated signifies nic-picking, its not about me.
We're talking politics and like or not image is a major part of any candidate's campaign. The Obama's camp can apologize, they could never out live down such a photo. It would become RNC and FOX NEWS must have wallpaper.
When you support someone being moved based on their religious dress, that is very much about you. On one level it may be about politics. However, I am referring to the level where your words openly support discriminatory actions. And where you justify discrimination.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
ANYONE who thinks that Obama pointed out those women himself and asked them to be removed is either Sean Hannity or one his followers.
Clearly it was a volunteer or someone in his campaign team that did this. Obama has other things to concern himself with then who sits where so for this to come down on him is unfair. That said it was his staff so he should issue some sort of apology on behalf of campaign.
But its definitely something that Fox News and other Obama Bashers will not let go.
Did you know that Obama hates white people as well? I saw it on Fox so it must be true...
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ANYONE who thinks that Obama pointed out those women himself and asked them to be removed is either Sean Hannity or one his followers.
Clearly it was a volunteer or someone in his campaign team that did this. Obama has other things to concern himself with then who sits where so for this to come down on him is unfair. That said it was his staff so he should issue some sort of apology on behalf of campaign.
But its definitely something that Fox News and other Obama Bashers will not let go.
Did you know that Obama hates white people as well? I saw it on Fox so it must be true...
This whole thread just went over your head, right?
This whole thread just went over your head, right?
How so?
I don't think that this was in anyway a reflection of Obama. So I posted.
I didn't know I wasn't allowed to have an opinion on this matter. Thanks for correcting me. Ass.
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Clearly it was a volunteer or someone in his campaign team that did this. Obama has other things to concern himself with then who sits where so for this to come down on him is unfair. That said it was his staff so he should issue some sort of apology on behalf of campaign.
i'm not debating if obama told them to remove the girls or not, just saying even if it was a volunteer he should at least express he disagrees w/ what happened. volunteer or not they are in a way acting in his name
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
i'm not debating if obama told them to remove the girls or not, just saying even if it was a volunteer he should at least express he disagrees w/ what happened. volunteer or not they are in a way acting in his name
I also agree he should issue a response. I said so later in the post.
I just think its getting a little ridiculous what he gets criticized for.
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i'm not debating if obama told them to remove the girls or not, just saying even if it was a volunteer he should at least express he disagrees w/ what happened. volunteer or not they are in a way acting in his name
it is made very clear on the campaign that volunteers do not act in his name. representing him, yes. but not acting in his name. obama doesn't control volunteers. i don't think obama has to do anything. i've been to rallies of his that have thousands of people lined up beforehand and volunteers are doing crowd control or pulling people for the front. there is a big difference between volunteers and staff on his campaign, and on any large campaign i'm sure. staff are not allowed to talk to press, etc. whereas volunteers can do what they want but are encouraged to think, of course. but they can't control hundreds of volunteers' actions.
what a dumb issue.
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it is made very clear on the campaign that volunteers do not act in his name. representing him, yes. but not acting in his name. obama doesn't control volunteers. i don't think obama has to do anything. i've been to rallies of his that have thousands of people lined up beforehand and volunteers are doing crowd control or pulling people for the front. there is a big difference between volunteers and staff on his campaign, and on any large campaign i'm sure. staff are not allowed to talk to press, etc. whereas volunteers can do what they want but are encouraged to think, of course. but they can't control hundreds of volunteers' actions.
what a dumb issue.
yeah, well, i'm saying if it were my campaign and it happened i'd make a statement that i disagreed w/ it...is it ok that i express this? i'm not saying he HAS to do it, i'm saying i *think* he *should*. i know it's impossible for a candidate to control what every volunteer but maybe they should have some sort of guidelines? and just b/c he can't control what they do doesn't mean he can't say he disagrees. it's a non factor to me regardless if says something or not, just giving my opinion
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he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
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No, Angelica, the two circumstances are not independent. Its a vey valid point that a decision had to be made between the two and Obama would get blasted either way. The situation involves both possible scenarios.
Secondly, when did i ever say i stood by any type of profiling or prejudicial treatment? As a matter of fact, i've already stated that had i been one of the volunteers i would have made a different call.
Do you continue to blast Obama for a tough call made by some unpaid volunteer? i've been to a couple of Obama rallies (one small and one rather large) at the large one over ten thousand people were in, seated, and growing restless at least an hour and a half before Obama even showed up at the spot. i'm pretty sure his plane hadn't yet arrived while people were being seated. It isn't like Obama himself is walking around ushering people to their seats. Don't vote for the guy. Doesn't bother me in the slightest. Folks are really grasping at straws on this one though.
You are correct. My apologies for misconstruing that.
I continue to say that Obama is only as strong as his weakest link. Just like Wal-mart is accountable for what it's check-out staff do. Whether we ascribe theoretical accountability or not the consequences speak for themselves.
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But that's the difference. Many Obama supporters are kinda stupid. case solved.
I bet those volunteers even used Obama dream words while telling these Muslims girls that. "We BELIEVE you will ruin the photo op!" "We BELIEVE you will make Obama look Muslim"
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At least the cashier at Wal-MArt is a paid staffer. And if the cashier at Wal-mart puposefully shortchanges customers, the cashier will be fired. Wal-mart may be legally responsible, but the managers and CEO's are in no way morally or ethically responsible as shortchanging customers is, i'm guessing, outside of company policy. Period.
You're probably right. Then again Raph Nader has never been accused of being a radical Muslim sympathizer. Futhermore seating ten people is a little lesser challenge than seating several thousand.
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Exactly, and the type of people drawn to Obama, well perhaps I rather not get into that.
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I mean Obama, all he has to say is "Islam is not my enemy, ignorance is, I am not a muslim, but even if I were, why is that a bad thing? We will all unite, come together and bring true peace to america. A new begining for america starts today"...or sometg like that.
But mostly all we get is, "I am not a muslim, I have never been a muslim and that is insulting to my faith"
Like when he spoke at a synagogue, he had to go on about how he is not a muslim and never been one! which brought some laughs and smiles from the crowd, which was kinda sick to watch.
Obama is fighting ignorance with...well...ignorance.
Yeah for sure seating Ten people with brains will be easier than 7 thousand without. I would hate to be around that hassle.
But he's winning, so that's gotta be good!!
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We're talking about political campaigning, a nasty business. Obama's presence in this campaign opened the door to race and religion and the RNC will take what it can get and fabricate the rest. To believe such a tactic could not be used against him physically is being naive.
If those two women would have sat behind Obama, that picture would have been edited and reedited with every conceivable title possible. They would have become his sisters, his lost wives, lovers, or two of the virgins that couldn't wait for him to die. He would have depicted as a terrorist's lover and a terrorist's supporter,
With Obama in the picture, nasty takes on a whole new meaning. It has become worst, it has become personal, it has become dangerous. When have you heard another opponent within their own party hint of assassination, and remember they had to make a special exception for early Secret Service protection due to threats. Paranoid, no, but also not naive enough to see that the seed has been planted. People who didn't realize they could hate, have found it easy to agree with hatefulness. Caution should prevail both for political and security reasons.
I see no harm in asking them to move. Hell, at least they got in the event dress like that. Do you think they'd would have made it through the doors of a McCain gathering?
Sounds like excuses.
and dressed like what? a cloth on their heads? it's not like they were wearing a bomb vest.
it's just so pathetic. i'm sorry.
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no, but they did choose not to pick them to be behind Obama during his speech. Bad decision, yes considering one was a lawyer, but they weren't barred from appearing in a photo, one was in a photo with him after the speech. Choosing who stands behind a candidate during a speech is done in a very not a politically correct way. non-story IMO
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LMAO!! dude,
Reminds me of something someone once said about being wary of wolves in sheep's clothing. And that we'll know them by their deeds. As it always is....
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LMAO ! One of those truths that is also funny !!
We're talking politics and like or not image is a major part of any candidate's campaign. The Obama's camp can apologize, they could never out live down such a photo. It would become RNC and FOX NEWS must have wallpaper.
Yeah so all this shows is that Obama is just another pathetic politician. He will set aside his beliefs to get ahead and will say and do anything to get what he wants. sure that's fine I guess, but he should not go around acting all above everyone else, when he's exactly like everyone else in his position. a viper on the hill.
And for the Obama supporters to then go around talking so highly of him, I dunno, I just think it's all stupid.
Yeah the guy ready to lead the 'free world', is so scared of a cloth on some young girls head. that's really what it is.
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Clearly it was a volunteer or someone in his campaign team that did this. Obama has other things to concern himself with then who sits where so for this to come down on him is unfair. That said it was his staff so he should issue some sort of apology on behalf of campaign.
But its definitely something that Fox News and other Obama Bashers will not let go.
Did you know that Obama hates white people as well? I saw it on Fox so it must be true...
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This whole thread just went over your head, right?
How so?
I don't think that this was in anyway a reflection of Obama. So I posted.
I didn't know I wasn't allowed to have an opinion on this matter. Thanks for correcting me. Ass.
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i'm not debating if obama told them to remove the girls or not, just saying even if it was a volunteer he should at least express he disagrees w/ what happened. volunteer or not they are in a way acting in his name
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
I also agree he should issue a response. I said so later in the post.
I just think its getting a little ridiculous what he gets criticized for.
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it is made very clear on the campaign that volunteers do not act in his name. representing him, yes. but not acting in his name. obama doesn't control volunteers. i don't think obama has to do anything. i've been to rallies of his that have thousands of people lined up beforehand and volunteers are doing crowd control or pulling people for the front. there is a big difference between volunteers and staff on his campaign, and on any large campaign i'm sure. staff are not allowed to talk to press, etc. whereas volunteers can do what they want but are encouraged to think, of course. but they can't control hundreds of volunteers' actions.
what a dumb issue.
cross the river to the eastside
yeah, well, i'm saying if it were my campaign and it happened i'd make a statement that i disagreed w/ it...is it ok that i express this? i'm not saying he HAS to do it, i'm saying i *think* he *should*. i know it's impossible for a candidate to control what every volunteer but maybe they should have some sort of guidelines? and just b/c he can't control what they do doesn't mean he can't say he disagrees. it's a non factor to me regardless if says something or not, just giving my opinion
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Oh but i thought obama supporters were mere sheep and easy to control! give me a fucking break.
cross the river to the eastside