Did Obama campaign bar two Muslim women from photo?

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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    cornnifer wrote:
    In all due respect, i think you are taking some liberties with your assessment. i don't see that. What i intrepret from this poster is a willingness to accept this as unfortunate political play calling. Like i have stated, i would have made a different call, but at the same time i understand the difficulty of this decision and can at least understand what motivated these volunteers to make the judgement call they did. That doesn't mean i support religious intolerance. i'm assuming this poster is seeing this through similar lenses.
    Could you point out exactly what liberties I am taking in my assessment?
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  • ucsber
    ucsber Posts: 17
    Its just hysterical to see the tide turn on this guy. Now that People realize that hey this guy might not be a Hamas loving suicide bomber they dont like him anymore! Hysterical. You Vedderzombies should go back to youir clueless Nader roots and leave the politics for the grown ups.
  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    ucsber wrote:
    Its just hysterical to see the tide turn on this guy. Now that People realize that hey this guy might not be a Hamas loving suicide bomber they dont like him anymore! Hysterical. You Vedderzombies should go back to youir clueless Nader roots and leave the politics for the grown ups.

    He's right, you know.

    :p
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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    ucsber wrote:
    Its just hysterical to see the tide turn on this guy. Now that People realize that hey this guy might not be a Hamas loving suicide bomber they dont like him anymore! Hysterical. You Vedderzombies should go back to youir clueless Nader roots and leave the politics for the grown ups.


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  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    angelica wrote:
    Could you point out exactly what liberties I am taking in my assessment?

    i thought it was obvious. The whole business about the poster being in full support of religious prejudice, in my opinion, was a huge liberty taken.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • BamaPJFan
    BamaPJFan Posts: 410
    I wonder if Obama will place his hand on the Qur'an when he's sworn in next January?
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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    cornnifer wrote:
    i thought it was obvious. The whole business about the poster being in full support of religious prejudice, in my opinion, was a huge liberty taken.
    The poster supported people being removed due to religious dress.

    This is pre-interpretation. This is a statment of fact.

    If you can show where I have taken liberties or misconstrued facts, I'm waiting to hear it!
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  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    angelica wrote:
    The poster supported people being removed due to religious dress.

    This is pre-interpretation. This is a statment of fact.

    If you can show where I have taken liberties or misconstrued facts, I'm waiting to hear it!

    i've already explained it. Look, if its a fight you're looking for, you'll have to look somewhere else.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    cornnifer wrote:
    i've already explained it. Look, if its a fight you're looking for, you'll have to look somewhere else.
    If you are taking issue with my past statements, fine.

    I've amended them and moved on to the statement of fact, wherein puremagic supports people being removed due to religious dress.

    To me this is abhorrent. As I know it is to many. It's fundamental discrimination, undoubtedly. I personally wouldn't support that. I also understand many do. However, it cannot be justified.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    angelica wrote:
    If you are taking issue with my past statements, fine.

    I've amended them and moved on to the statement of fact, wherein puremagic supports people being removed due to religious dress.

    To me this is abhorrent. As I know it is to many. It's fundamental discrimination, undoubtedly. I personally wouldn't support that. I also understand many do. However, it cannot be justified.


    Exactly. That's what I was trying to say but you were more straight to the point here. :)
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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Exactly. That's what I was trying to say but you were more straight to the point here. :)
    Thanks! Your points were great! Even when not understood!

    I'm happy to see you! :)
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  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    cornnifer wrote:
    Um.... This from the article in the OP:

    “This is of course not the policy of the campaign. It is offensive and counter to Obama’s commitment to bring Americans together and simply not the kind of campaign we run,” said Obama spokesman Bill Burton. “We sincerely apologize for the behavior of these volunteers.”

    But anyway...


    wow, me and obama agreed on somethin!!! :eek:
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    Its Evolution Baby wrote:
    I will say that I would let it go as long as it was there campaign Volunteers and there was an apology issued. Again this was not in Obama's control just like it wouldn't have been in Hillary's or McCain's control.

    Of course its damage control but so are most public apologies.

    I am in the camp that this is Anti-Obama people grasping at straws.


    i almost begged for news of brittany spears during break how they kept beating this to the ground
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Who knows....race is a huge issue we shouldn't ignore one week and the next it's grasping at straws....



    hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • aNiMaL
    aNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    cornnifer wrote:
    Pretty much a no win situation for Obama on this one. Refuse to seat the women behind the podium and look prejudicial. Seat the women behind the podium and see the photos scatter across the internet as proof that Obama is a radical muslim jihadist. Either way Unsung wets himself in euphoric anticipation of a ridiculous Obama smear pulled straight from the Sean Hannity show.
    Right on the money.
  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    MrBrian wrote:
    Exactly, and the type of people drawn to Obama, well perhaps I rather not get into that.
    and what exactly do you mean by that. the type of people?

    enlighten me?
  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    It shouldn't have happened. It is offensive and counter to Obama's commitment to bring Americans together. I believe Obama's campaign has apologized to the ladies concerned, but i would like to see Obama personally address it.

    Do i blame Obama? No. To the best of my knowledge he was not the one who walked up to the people concerned and asked them to move. Is he responsible for his volunteers actions? Bottom line is yes he is, as they are representing him.

    Like someone else has already mentioned, those that still have a problem with obama after he apologizes on behalf of his volunteers, are going to have a problem with him anyway.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    cornnifer wrote:
    Pretty much a no win situation for Obama on this one. Refuse to seat the women behind the podium and look prejudicial. Seat the women behind the podium and see the photos scatter across the internet as proof that Obama is a radical muslim jihadist. Either way Unsung wets himself in euphoric anticipation of a ridiculous Obama smear pulled straight from the Sean Hannity show.

    Straight from his rah rah sis boom bah website

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/18/obama.event.ap/index.html#cnnSTCText
  • puremagic
    puremagic Posts: 1,907
    angelica wrote:
    If you are taking issue with my past statements, fine.

    I've amended them and moved on to the statement of fact, wherein puremagic supports people being removed due to religious dress.

    To me this is abhorrent. As I know it is to many. It's fundamental discrimination, undoubtedly. I personally wouldn't support that. I also understand many do. However, it cannot be justified.

    They were ADMITTED to the function, not TURNED AWAY. They were MOVED f rom a seating area not REMOVED from the function. Take a step back in time and you'll recall that Bush wouldn't even let people who disagreed with his viewpoints near his functions and those that managed to get in, were FORCIBLY removed.

    Obama has been put under a microscope with people looking for ANY little thing to turn into an all out nasty media bash feast. Obama didn't benefit from this action because it presented a no win situation. A photo or an apology, which is more damaging, which is more lasting? His staff's action as a prevent measure is something I don't have a problem with.

    Does it mean the person who ask them to move, or the people who understand why such an action was taken are prejudice and practice racial or religious discrimination, NO. It means they understand the nature of the beast known as POLITICAL CAMPAIGNING and are able to see through the smoke screens when people try to pigeonhole an issue into one category.

    You understand all that, what you seemingly can't handle is the fact that I understand it because you have this overwhelming desire to paint my understanding as racial and discriminatory, while other statements within this thread are clearly racial and discriminatory, but, hey, whatever gets you off.
    SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    another view on this incident...


    http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/06/muslim_grievanc.html

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