Did Obama campaign bar two Muslim women from photo?

cornnifer wrote:

No, Angelica, the two circumstances are not independent. Its a vey valid point that a decision had to be made between the two and Obama would get blasted either way. The situation involves both possible scenarios.

What I mean is that when Obama or anyone makes a choice, they are responsible exactly for what they have done. Period.

Secondly, when did i ever say i stood by any type of profiling or prejudicial treatment? As a matter of fact, i've already stated that had i been one of the volunteers i would have made a different call.

You are correct. My apologies for misconstruing that.

Do you continue to blast Obama for a tough call made by some unpaid volunteer? i've been to a couple of Obama rallies (one small and one rather large) at the large one over ten thousand people were in, seated, and growing restless at least an hour and a half before Obama even showed up at the spot. i'm pretty sure his plane hadn't yet arrived while people were being seated. It isn't like Obama himself is walking around ushering people to their seats. Don't vote for the guy. Doesn't bother me in the slightest. Folks are really grasping at straws on this one though.

I continue to say that Obama is only as strong as his weakest link. Just like Wal-mart is accountable for what it's check-out staff do. Whether we ascribe theoretical accountability or not the consequences speak for themselves.

MrBrian wrote:

I'll say another thing, I bet not one volunteer at a Nader rally would be so stupid to do anything like this.

You hit on why Obama is to a degree responsible for what goes on in the Obama-camp. He is the leader. He creates the vibe/mindset etc that brings everyone together. He willingly takes this role. This is why if he becomes President, he'll be responsible for what the least among him do, also, like killing in a war. It's his vision that brings everyone together.

MrBrian wrote:

I'll say another thing, I bet not one volunteer at a Nader rally would be so stupid to do anything like this.

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You're probably right. Then again Raph Nader has never been accused of being a radical Muslim sympathizer. Futhermore seating ten people is a little lesser challenge than seating several thousand.

When a customer was treated rudely by the check-out staff at Walmart, and decide to no longer shop at that store, Walmart experiences consequences for what an individual staff member has done. natural consequences.

cornnifer wrote:

You're probably right. Then again Raph Nader has never been accused of being a radical Muslim sympathizer. Futhermore seating ten people is a little lesser challenge than seating several thousand.

Yeah for sure seating Ten people with brains will be easier than 7 thousand without. I would hate to be around that hassle.

unsung wrote:

Paranoia will destroy ya. Take off the aluminum foil hat.


It is interesting that you support racial profiling.

We're talking about political campaigning, a nasty business. Obama's presence in this campaign opened the door to race and religion and the RNC will take what it can get and fabricate the rest. To believe such a tactic could not be used against him physically is being naive.

If those two women would have sat behind Obama, that picture would have been edited and reedited with every conceivable title possible. They would have become his sisters, his lost wives, lovers, or two of the virgins that couldn't wait for him to die. He would have depicted as a terrorist's lover and a terrorist's supporter,

With Obama in the picture, nasty takes on a whole new meaning. It has become worst, it has become personal, it has become dangerous. When have you heard another opponent within their own party hint of assassination, and remember they had to make a special exception for early Secret Service protection due to threats. Paranoid, no, but also not naive enough to see that the seed has been planted. People who didn't realize they could hate, have found it easy to agree with hatefulness. Caution should prevail both for political and security reasons.

I see no harm in asking them to move. Hell, at least they got in the event dress like that. Do you think they'd would have made it through the doors of a McCain gathering?

puremagic wrote:

We're talking about political campaigning, a nasty business. Obama's presence in this campaign opened the door to race and religion and the RNC will take what it can get and fabricate the rest. To believe such a tactic could not be used against him physically is being naive.

If those two women would have sat behind Obama, that picture would have been edited and reedited with every conceivable title possible. They would have become his sisters, his lost wives, lovers, or two of the virgins that couldn't wait for him to die. He would have depicted as a terrorist's lover and a terrorist's supporter,

With Obama in the picture, nasty takes on a whole new meaning. It has become worst, it has become personal, it has become dangerous. When have you heard another opponent within their own party hint of assassination, and remember they had to make a special exception for early Secret Service protection due to threats. Paranoid, no, but also not naive enough to see that the seed has been planted. People who didn't realize they could hate, have found it easy to agree with hatefulness. Caution should prevail both for political and security reasons.

I see no harm in asking them to move. Hell, at least they got in the event dress like that. Do you think they'd would have made it through the doors of a McCain gathering?

So you continue to support and justify religious profiling and prejudicial treatment?

"Whatever we once were, we are no longer just a Christian nation; we are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers."

Obama

Too bad Muslims can't be on a picture with the man who claims he wants to bring people of all faiths and beliefs together.

Change you can believe in, but you can't photograph it!

Collin wrote:

Change you can believe in, but you can't photograph it!

Nice point. And it reveals how the generic Obama-view (as represented by whomever, in any given moment) is not aligned in thought, word and deed. (among the other thoughts/words/deeds that continue to reveal this)

Reminds me of something someone once said about being wary of wolves in sheep's clothing. And that we'll know them by their deeds. As it always is....

The issue is, was it the right thing to do at the time and for me, I see no problem with them being asked to move. They weren't barred from the event. Making the assumption that my opinion is racially or religiously motivated signifies nic-picking, its not about me.

We're talking politics and like or not image is a major part of any candidate's campaign. The Obama's camp can apologize, they could never out live down such a photo. It would become RNC and FOX NEWS must have wallpaper.