Was christianity a hoax?

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  • miller8966
    miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    newagehippie wrote:
    I don't understand.....

    If Mary was Jesus' mother, wouldn't taht make her the most important person, hence if she didn't exist, neither would have Jesus?


    My point is there is no one more important than another. We are all here together, our energy is shared, we are one......selfishness and greed divide us....

    Not jesus. Jesus goes beyond selfishness and greed. Mary is a tool; yet i mean this in the most positive of ways. She is a tool of god to bring jesus into the world.
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  • newagehippie
    newagehippie Posts: 749
    miller8966 wrote:
    Not jesus. Jesus goes beyond selfishness and greed. Mary is a tool; yet i mean this in the most positive of ways. She is a tool of god to bring jesus into the world.


    Many other religous figures do the same as Jesus.

    I agree that hypothetical Mary was a tool, but not any tool would have worked.....just as Religion is a tool to get the message across. Once upon a time mass religion to contol the masses was a great concept, then greed and slefishness corrupted the story, it is now time we all think for ourselves and find ourself, with that we will find the energy that connects us, and with that the change begins......(please don't take that the wrong way, I am not challanging your thinking ability....)
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  • miller8966
    miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    newagehippie wrote:
    Many other religous figures do the same as Jesus.

    I agree that hypothetical Mary was a tool, but not any tool would have worked.....just as Religion is a tool to get the message across. Once upon a time mass religion to contol the masses was a great concept, then greed and slefishness corrupted the story, it is now time we all think for ourselves and find ourself, with that we will find the energy that connects us, and with that the change begins......(please don't take that the wrong way, I am not challanging your thinking ability....)

    i believe in energry..but also a firm belief in the scriptures.
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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    miller8966 wrote:
    Not jesus. Jesus goes beyond selfishness and greed.

    So does Buddha or the Dalai Lama. And I don't think Jesus would call himself the most important person ever.
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  • miller8966
    miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    Collin wrote:
    So does Buddha or the Dalai Lama. And I don't think Jesus would call himself the most important person ever.

    No i think he would
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  • newagehippie
    newagehippie Posts: 749
    miller8966 wrote:
    No i think he would


    So this person, who is suppose to be the all loving, all sacraficing, savior of the world, would put his self on soapbox and declare himself the most important person in history? That's not very modest....is it?
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    newagehippie wrote:
    So this person, who is suppose to be the all loving, all sacraficing, savior of the world, would put his self on soapbox and declare himself the most important person in history? That's not very modest....is it?

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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    newagehippie wrote:
    So this person, who is suppose to be the all loving, all sacraficing, savior of the world, would put his self on soapbox and declare himself the most important person in history? That's not very modest....is it?
    Actually, I don't think He would have to. Most of us would die in the Rapture, anyway.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    miller8966 wrote:
    No i think he would


    You're confusing Bush with Jesus. Again.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    A Surprise Left wrote:
    I briefly thought of that possibility but that is too much of a stretch of plausiblity if there ever was one. A guy doesn't become the most famous man to ever walk the planet by sheer luck. Think of all the most famous people of the 20th century and none of them will ever compare to the fame this man Jesus achieved and the changes to societies (including the great Roman empire) that occured because of his influence. Once again this is not a debate about his divinity, just a retort to your quite bizarre claim that it was just dumb luck.

    Just by sheer numbers, doesn't Allah have him beat?
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  • miller8966
    miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    newagehippie wrote:
    So this person, who is suppose to be the all loving, all sacraficing, savior of the world, would put his self on soapbox and declare himself the most important person in history? That's not very modest....is it?

    Yes i believe he would.
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  • miller8966
    miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    gue_barium wrote:
    Just by sheer numbers, doesn't Allah have him beat?

    that makes no sense.....
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  • the face
    the face Posts: 192
    miller8966 wrote:
    that makes no sense.....
    He has a billion followers. Thats pretty damn influntial
  • miller8966
    miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    the face wrote:
    He has a billion followers. Thats pretty damn influntial

    So does Jesus...And hes actually a nicer person.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Jesus is more popular. I looked it up.


    (Sizes shown are approximate estimates, and are here mainly for the purpose of ordering the groups, not providing a definitive number. This list is sociological/statistical in perspective.)

    Christianity: 2.1 billion

    Islam: 1.3 billion

    Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion

    Hinduism: 900 million

    Chinese traditional religion: 394 million

    Buddhism: 376 million

    primal-indigenous: 300 million

    African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million

    Sikhism: 23 million

    Juche: 19 million

    Spiritism: 15 million

    Judaism: 14 million

    Baha'i: 7 million

    Jainism: 4.2 million

    Shinto: 4 million

    Cao Dai: 4 million

    Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million

    Tenrikyo: 2 million

    Neo-Paganism: 1 million

    Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand

    Rastafarianism: 600 thousand

    Scientology: 500 thousand
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    gue_barium wrote:
    Jesus is more popular. I looked it up.


    (Sizes shown are approximate estimates, and are here mainly for the purpose of ordering the groups, not providing a definitive number. This list is sociological/statistical in perspective.)


    Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion

    Buddhism: 376 million

    primal-indigenous: 300 million

    Neo-Paganism: 1 million

    Rastafarianism: 600 thousand

    This is my group. We're taking over.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    miller8966 wrote:
    So does Jesus...And hes actually a nicer person.

    considering allah isn't/wasn't even a person.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    catefrances wrote:
    considering allah isn't/wasn't even a person.

    I guess we should have said Mohammad.
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  • the face
    the face Posts: 192
    gue_barium wrote:
    I guess we should have said Mohammad.
    allah, yahweh, jehovah, god. same shit, different name.
  • A Surprise Left
    A Surprise Left Posts: 743
    gue_barium wrote:
    Just by sheer numbers, doesn't Allah have him beat?


    As already stated by others Jesus has Mohammad clearly beat in this area but its not really a popularity contest anyway. For a variety of reasons the "Christian" world is in a much stronger position than the "Islamic" world economically and military. Secularisation is surely part if not most of the reason, but perhaps the religions themselves carry some weight as well. There has to be a good reason why this has occured, leaving the Islamic world behind.
    The wind is blowing cold
    Have we lost our way tonight?
    Have we lost our hope to sorrow?

    Feels like were all alone
    Running further from what’s right
    And there are no more heroes to follow

    So what are we becoming?
    Where did we go wrong?

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