Was christianity a hoax?

Ahnimus

catefrances wrote:

no. their way of life is wrong for me. that is the only judgement i can make. my ego tells me to be the best i can be within myself. and to be content with that. i don't want to be rich. i don't want sexy mates. i want someone who is attractive to me. and attracted to me. and i already don't own a car through preference. i don't do anything for appearance sake. if i do something, it is because i want to do it, not to 'impress' someone else. i do it because i feel it needs to be done.

wear them down in a debate. hmm ahnimus i reckon you'd know a bit about that.

Everyone has an Ego, without it, I feel we would just keel over and die. It's what makes us feel good, psychologically speaking.

catefrances

Ahnimus wrote:

Everyone has an Ego, without it, I feel we would just keel over and die. It's what makes us feel good, psychologically speaking.

of course we do, i don't think that was in debate.

angelica

catefrances wrote:

no. their way of life is wrong for me. that is the only judgement i can make. my ego tells me to be the best i can be within myself. and to be content with that. i don't want to be rich. i don't want sexy mates. i want someone who is attractive to me. and attracted to me. and i already don't own a car through preference. i don't do anything for appearance sake. if i do something, it is because i want to do it, not to 'impress' someone else. i do it because i feel it needs to be done.

I like this one, and your post prior to this.

angelica

Ahnimus wrote:

Well, first of all. Money isn't the root motivation. Ego is the root motivation. Ego drives us to be models of our social interactions. Ego wants us to better than everyone else. ... Ego wants us all to be rich, with plenty of sexy mates and sexy fast cars. Ego wants us to be the toughest kid on the block with the most friends.

It looks like you are referring to the dark side of the ego. Whereas catefrances seems to be talking to the fact that the ego can also be equated with constructively directing our energy. The ego can in fact be neutral, depending on whether it can manage our darker "shadow" parts or not.

Ahnimus

angelica wrote:

It looks like you are referring to the dark side of the ego. Whereas catefrances seems to be talking to the fact that the ego can also be equated with constructively directing our energy. The ego can in fact be neutral, depending on whether it can manage our darker "shadow" parts or not.

The ego by definition is self-servant. It's only there for it's self. I don't see how it can be neutral. But you distort the meaning of everything.

gue_barium

Jeanie wrote:

I don't think people are motivated by MONEY first, I think they are motivated by POWER & CONTROL. MONEY then is just the "tool" they accumulate to enable them to wield POWER or CONTROL over others. Religion is another "tool" used to exert POWER & CONTROL.

We think alike.

I think the negative and antiquated connotation of "Power and Control" should be modified/updated, though.

Maybe, "Affluence and Influence."
Or, something like that.

angelica

Ahnimus wrote:

The ego by definition is self-servant. It's only there for it's self. I don't see how it can be neutral. But you distort the meaning of everything.

The ego is the part of us that engages in life. Compared to the parts that are beneath the surface.

"Within the next three years, as the child interacts more and more with the world, the second part of the personality begins to develop. Freud called this part the Ego. The ego is based on the reality principle. The ego understands that other people have needs and desires and that sometimes being impulsive or selfish can hurt us in the long run. Its the ego's job to meet the needs of the id, while taking into consideration the reality of the situation." http://allpsych.com/psychology101/ego.html

"Ego
In Psychoanalytical theory, the part of the personality which maintains a balance between our impulses (id) and our conscience (superego)."
http://allpsych.com/dictionary/e.html

An unbalanced ego is outside of the general neutral purpose of the ego which outlets what is below the surface in a balanced way.

Ahnimus

angelica wrote:

The ego is the part of us that engages in life. Compared to the parts that are beneath the surface.

"Within the next three years, as the child interacts more and more with the world, the second part of the personality begins to develop. Freud called this part the Ego. The ego is based on the reality principle. The ego understands that other people have needs and desires and that sometimes being impulsive or selfish can hurt us in the long run. Its the ego's job to meet the needs of the id, while taking into consideration the reality of the situation." http://allpsych.com/psychology101/ego.html

"Ego
In Psychoanalytical theory, the part of the personality which maintains a balance between our impulses (id) and our conscience (superego)."
http://allpsych.com/dictionary/e.html

An unbalanced ego is outside of the general neutral purpose of the ego which outlets what is below the surface in a balanced way.

Thank you for supporting what I said.

The ego understands that other people have needs and desires and that sometimes being impulsive or selfish can hurt us in the long run.

Again, just looking out for it's self. I know you've read a lot of this stuff before. I'd encourage reading it all again, this time without your personal prejudice.

gue_barium

Though Freud "identified" the ego and the id and all that, um, stuff, wouldn't it be fair to stay it was an endevour in creative thinking/theory? Really...I mean, I can invent all sorts of things in my brain to measure myself by, or reflect an idea upon. For instance, at this moment, in my brain, I am in a canoe, paddling along a stream in a glacial cavern. Hey, there's Ahnimus! There's Angelica!
Now, really, is it up to my ego to decide how good i feel about myself in this particular canoe, or is it just me?

angelica

Ahnimus wrote:

Ego wants us to better than everyone else. ... Ego wants us all to be rich, with plenty of sexy mates and sexy fast cars. Ego wants us to be the toughest kid on the block with the most friends.

angelica's links wrote:

"The ego understands that other people have needs and desires and that sometimes being impulsive or selfish can hurt us in the long run. Its the ego's job to meet the needs of the id, while taking into consideration the reality of the situation" ... "Ego--In Psychoanalytical theory, the part of the personality which maintains a balance between our impulses (id) and our conscience (superego)."

....

gue_barium

Iceberg ahead.

Ahnimus

angelica wrote:

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Can you take off your vision impairing lenses for a minute or two?

Can you actually look at what the fuck you are copying?

angelica

Ahnimus wrote:

Can you take off your vision impairing lenses for a minute or two?

Can you actually look at what the fuck you are copying?

In your words in the quote, you are pointing out that the go is selfish and wants a sexy car, sexy mates, or to be better than everyone.

In the link it says that the ego understands that being impulsive or selfish can hurt us in the long run.

Being willfully selfish and understanding the pitfalls of being selfish are two separate things.

Also the one link substantiates that the ego balances our lower and higher functions (id and superego), which makes it the neutral player making the choices, based on reality. You said:

Ahnimus wrote:

I don't see how it can be neutral.

The ego can channel our highest aspects and it can channel our lowest aspects. It does not only want money, power and sexy mates. It can also want what catefrances' ego wants: "my ego tells me to be the best i can be within myself. and to be content with that". That was my original point--there are two sides to the ego coin.

gue_barium

angelica wrote:

In your words in the quote, you are pointing out that the go is selfish and wants a sexy car, sexy mates, or to be better than everyone.

In the link it says that the ego understands that being impulsive or selfish can hurt us in the long run.

Being willfully selfish and understanding the pitfalls of being selfish are two separate things.

Also the one link substantiates that the ego balances our lower and higher functions (id and superego), which makes it the neutral player making the choices, based on reality. You said:


The ego can channel our highest aspects and it can channel our lowest aspects. It does not only want money, power and sexy mates. It can also want what catefrances' ego wants: "my ego tells me to be the best i can be within myself. and to be content with that". That was my original point--there are two sides to the ego coin.

She got you on this one, Ahnimus.

You're not having a good night.

I mean, your definition of ego only describes some sort of spoiled, impudent, brat. It was a very unscientific definition, contrary to your usual self, and contrary to Angelica's more correct definition.

Ahnimus

angelica wrote:

In your words in the quote, you are pointing out that the go is selfish and wants a sexy car, sexy mates, or to be better than everyone.

In the link it says that the ego understands that being impulsive or selfish can hurt us in the long run.

Being willfully selfish and understanding the pitfalls of being selfish are two separate things.

Also the one link substantiates that the ego balances our lower and higher functions (id and superego), which makes it the neutral player making the choices, based on reality. You said:


The ego can channel our highest aspects and it can channel our lowest aspects. It does not only want money, power and sexy mates. It can also want what catefrances' ego wants: "my ego tells me to be the best i can be within myself. and to be content with that". That was my original point--there are two sides to the ego coin.

That's all fucking irrelevant, open your ears! damnit!

No matter which way you slice it, the ego is not neutral, the ego is self-interested, it doesn't give two shits about the homeless fuck down the street, unless it makes you feel good to care about him. Get it?

angelica

Ahnimus wrote:

That's all fucking irrelevant, open your ears! damnit!

No matter which way you slice it, the ego is not neutral, the ego is self-interested, it doesn't give two shits about the homeless fuck down the street, unless it makes you feel good to care about him. Get it?

Good night Ahnimus.

Ahnimus

angelica wrote:

Good night Ahnimus.

Hahaha, typical of you Angelica.

Jeanie

gue_barium wrote:

We think alike.

I think the negative and antiquated connotation of "Power and Control" should be modified/updated, though.

Maybe, "Affluence and Influence."
Or, something like that.

Sounds good. I like it! It's got a catchy ring to it!!;)

catefrances

Ahnimus wrote:

That's all fucking irrelevant, open your ears! damnit!

No matter which way you slice it, the ego is not neutral, the ego is self-interested, it doesn't give two shits about the homeless fuck down the street, unless it makes you feel good to care about him. Get it?

if the ego were solely self interested it wouldn't maintain balance between the id and the superego. it would say 'fuck the lot of you i'm doing whatever the hell i want.' there would be no filter between our impulse and our conscience. if i do something because it needs to be done that doesn't necessarily make me feel good doing it. i am talking about acts of beneficence here, not the washing up.

Ahnimus

catefrances wrote:

if the ego were solely self interested it wouldn't maintain balance between the id and the superego. it would say 'fuck the lot of you i'm doing whatever the hell i want.' there would be no filter between our impulse and our conscience. if i do something because it needs to be done that doesn't necessarily make me feel good doing it. i am talking about acts of beneficence here, not the washing up.

In Freud's theory, the ego mediates among the id, the super-ego and the external world. Its task is to find a balance between primitive drives, morals, and reality while satisfying the id and superego. Its main concern is with the individual's safety and allows some of the id's desires to be expressed, but only when consequences of these actions are marginal. Ego defense mechanisms are often used by the ego when id behavior conflicts with reality and either society's morals, norms, and taboos or the individual's expectations as a result of the internalization of these morals, norms, and taboos.

Although in his early writings Freud equated the ego with the sense of self, he later began to portray it more as a set of psychic functions such as reality-testing, defence, synthesis of information, intellectual functioning, and memory.

The word ego is taken directly from Latin where it is the nominative of the first person singular personal pronoun and is translated as "I myself" to express emphasis. Ego is the English translation for Freud's German term "Ich."

Self-interested.

Well, that's interesting, the english translation of the German term "Ich" is "I" not "Ego". Perhaps it should read: "Ego is the Latin translation for the German term "Ich".