Was christianity a hoax?

catefrances

NMyTree wrote:

Playing Devil's Advocate is not proof or fact, byt it's very definition:)

i know. but there are people who hold up the Earth and humans as proof of God's existence and the validity of the Bible. that's what i meant. i know it doesn't make it fact. but they see it as such.

the face

Jeanie wrote:

Yup! I'm sure it's a evil plot to keep all us girls "under the thumb"!

why don't you girls start your own religion...ill join!

Jeanie

the face wrote:

why don't you girls start your own religion...ill join!

Hmmm......have you got the right credentials?;)

the face

Jeanie wrote:

Hmmm......have you got the right credentials?;)

I worship women....Does that count?

Jeanie

the face wrote:

I worship women....Does that count?

Sounds promising................can you convince the others? You'll need to be organized about it! Got what it takes?

catefrances

the face wrote:

I worship women....Does that count?

to be honest it's only right that you worship women.

you also have to be able to put the toilet seat down ...if only sometimes.

Jeanie

catefrances wrote:

you also have to be able to put the toilet seat down ...if only sometimes.

We should make that one of the "10 Directives"

Thou shalt always lower the toilet seat. :D:D:D

the face

Jeanie wrote:

Sounds promising................can you convince the others? You'll need to be organized about it! Got what it takes?

and then i can tell you

Jeanie

the face wrote:

and then i can tell you

Hmmmm.....well let me see? It wouldn't be reasonable for me to make all the decisions. I'd have to confer with the other girls and see what they think.
I mean my views are fairly radical when it comes to men, I think we should completely reverse patriachal society and exactly replicate it to a matriachal society but that ain't gonna be happening any time soon! Can I have some think music?................;) Now that you ask my brain has gone numb!

catefrances

shouldn't the title of this thread be is christianity a hoax?

Jeanie

catefrances wrote:

shouldn't the title of this thread be is christianity a hoax?

YUP!

Collin

miller8966 wrote:

Yes i believe he would.

I'm still waiting for some other Christians to say this is utter bullshit.

Ahnimus

Jeanie wrote:

Hmmmm.....well let me see? It wouldn't be reasonable for me to make all the decisions. I'd have to confer with the other girls and see what they think.
I mean my views are fairly radical when it comes to men, I think we should completely reverse patriachal society and exactly replicate it to a matriachal society but that ain't gonna be happening any time soon! Can I have some think music?................;) Now that you ask my brain has gone numb!

It's really money that tries to control men and women. Money is indiscriminate. The people making beauty products and creating this demoralizing ads, may very well be men or women out to make a buck.

You watch these ads for exercise equipment or diet programs. They repeatedly and consistently say "it will make you slimmer and sexier". But you never hear them say "it will make you healthier". It's geared at exploiting a flaw in westernized people. The flaw being our need to look like supermodels. Our concern should be on being healthy, not sexy.

Jeanie

Ahnimus wrote:

It's really money that tries to control men and women. Money is indiscriminate. The people making beauty products and creating this demoralizing ads, may very well be men or women out to make a buck.

You watch these ads for exercise equipment or diet programs. They repeatedly and consistently say "it will make you slimmer and sexier". But you never hear them say "it will make you healthier". It's geared at exploiting a flaw in westernized people. The flaw being our need to look like supermodels. Our concern should be on being healthy, not sexy.

Heya! Welcome back! I'd love to have this convo with you but have to go to another family thing now. I will just say I agree with you about the marketing bullshit totally. But MONEY doesn't control anybody. It's an inanimate object. THE PEOPLE WITH THE MONEY are the ones who have the power and they use it to control. AND statistically most of those people are MEN. Unfortunately there are too many men in this world for whom POWER AND MONEY AND CONTROL ARE THEIR APHRODISIAC. Now, hate to cut & run but gotta fly.......can we play this game later?:)

Ahnimus

Jeanie wrote:

Heya! Welcome back! I'd love to have this convo with you but have to go to another family thing now. I will just say I agree with you about the marketing bullshit totally. But MONEY doesn't control anybody. It's an inanimate object. THE PEOPLE WITH THE MONEY are the ones who have the power and they use it to control. AND statistically most of those people are MEN. Unfortunately there are too many men in this world for whom POWER AND MONEY AND CONTROL ARE THEIR APHRODISIAC. Now, hate to cut & run but gotta fly.......can we play this game later?:)

Statistics don't describe the innate qualities of men or women.

Based on the understanding that people do not act without motivation. "Those who control", we can say, are motivated by money and therefor money does control them. Money provides them with the motivation to act as they do. Without it, there would be no reason for their actions.

All they are doing is exploiting human traits. It's the basics of marketting and manipulation. The methods they us, can be attributed to the "control" of the buyer. If the exploits evoked by the seller is a control for the buyer, then the money is reasonably the control of the seller.

What of sellers that are also buyers? A person selling cosmetics, may also be a buyer of those same cosmetics. They've convinced themselves of the same exploits they use for marketting. Probably how they came up with the ideas in the first place.

Jeanie

Ahnimus wrote:

Statistics don't describe the innate qualities of men or women.

LOL! Can't believe you just said that, given your opinions in some of the other threads but maybe I misread them.;)

Ahnimus wrote:

Based on the understanding that people do not act without motivation. "Those who control", we can say, are motivated by money and therefor money does control them. Money provides them with the motivation to act as they do. Without it, there would be no reason for their actions.

I don't think people are motivated by MONEY first, I think they are motivated by POWER & CONTROL. MONEY then is just the "tool" they accumulate to enable them to wield POWER or CONTROL over others. Religion is another "tool" used to exert POWER & CONTROL.

And not to ignore the last part of your post....but.....I really have to pull my finger out & get a move on so will have to revisit that bit later.

Ahnimus

Jeanie wrote:

LOL! Can't believe you just said that, given your opinions in some of the other threads but maybe I misread them.;)

I'm pretty sure in the other threads I was using statistics to disprove some abilities as innate. Genetics determine a lot, but relatively, very little. Some research using twin studies can provide a better understanding, and I suppose in those control cases of "statistics" if you call it that, statistics can help. But performing an uncontrolled statistical study, means basically nothing.

I don't think people are motivated by MONEY first, I think they are motivated by POWER & CONTROL. MONEY then is just the "tool" they accumulate to enable them to wield POWER or CONTROL over others. Religion is another "tool" used to exert POWER & CONTROL.

And not to ignore the last part of your post....but.....I really have to pull my finger out & get a move on so will have to revisit that bit later.

Yea, ok, but POWER & CONTROL are the exploitable human traits shared by both the buyer and the seller. The seller sells for the POWER & CONTROL associated with MONEY. The buyer buys for the POWER & CONTROL associated with SLIM & SEXY. They have more in common than they think. I would call that a perfectly fare business transaction.

catefrances

Ahnimus wrote:

It's really money that tries to control men and women. Money is indiscriminate. The people making beauty products and creating this demoralizing ads, may very well be men or women out to make a buck.

You watch these ads for exercise equipment or diet programs. They repeatedly and consistently say "it will make you slimmer and sexier". But you never hear them say "it will make you healthier". It's geared at exploiting a flaw in westernized people. The flaw being our need to look like supermodels. Our concern should be on being healthy, not sexy.

may well? what else is their motivation if not money?
money = power. we all know that. the poor are nothing. they are invisible in our class structured society. we ignore them because they are a reminder of what we can become. and what we are. in such wealthy societies as our own, there is no excuse for poverty or homelessness and yet both exist.
we glamourise the skinny, the rich and the mindless. free thinking and intelligence are seen as liabilities and something not to be emulated or even strived for. we'll tell you what you need to know. we'll tell you how to think and what to watch. we'll tell you how to dress and what to eat. we'll tell you you are not good enough the way you are. we'll tell you your house is too small . that you're driving the wrong car. that you are just not thin enough or pretty enough or desirable enough. we'll tell you that spending money will fill that void. we'll tell you it all cause we don't want you wasting your time thinking. besides thinking gives you wrinkles.

Ahnimus

catefrances wrote:

may well? what else is their motivation if not money?
money = power. we all know that. the poor are nothing. they are invisible in our class structured society. we ignore them because they are a reminder of what we can become. and what we are. in such wealthy societies as our own, there is no excuse for poverty or homelessness and yet both exist.
we glamourise the skinny, the rich and the mindless. free thinking and intelligence are seen as liabilities and something not to be emulated or even strived for. we'll tell you what you need to know. we'll tell you how to think and what to watch. we'll tell you how to dress and what to eat. we'll tell you you are not good enough the way you are. we'll tell you your house is too small . that you're driving the wrong car. that you are just not thin enough or pretty enough or desirable enough. we'll tell you that spending money will fill that void. we'll tell you it all cause we don't want you wasting your time thinking. besides thinking gives you wrinkles.

Well, first of all. Money isn't the root motivation. Ego is the root motivation. Ego drives us to be models of our social interactions. Ego wants us to better than everyone else. Money is part of that. If you want power over others, you need money or a sharp tongue. It's much easier to get what you want if you got money. Ego wants us all to be rich, with plenty of sexy mates and sexy fast cars. Ego wants us to be the toughest kid on the block with the most friends.

Let us say that I don't want that life. I'm going to snub that life. Instead, I'm going to become educated and resourceful, I'm going to try to influence people in a way I feel is better. Maybe I'll pick up garbage, or volunteer somewhere. Am I doing that because it helps people, or because it makes me feel good? Because now I have a different way of feeding my ego. I've tricked it into thinking this alternate life is better. Now I get a big ego and start telling others they are wrong. Trying to manipulate them into my thinking. Trying to trump them with knowledge, wear them down in a debate.

That's just it, it's almost like it's unavoidable. It's what keeps nature alive. Freud may have been incorrect several times, but he was right about a few things.

catefrances

no. their way of life is wrong for me. that is the only judgement i can make. my ego tells me to be the best i can be within myself. and to be content with that. i don't want to be rich. i don't want sexy mates. i want someone who is attractive to me. and attracted to me. and i already don't own a car through preference. i don't do anything for appearance sake. if i do something, it is because i want to do it, not to 'impress' someone else. i do it because i feel it needs to be done.

wear them down in a debate. hmm ahnimus i reckon you'd know a bit about that.