Kucinich 08!!!

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  • miller8966
    miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    Rushlimbo wrote:
    McCain looks like Frankenstein.

    your thinking of john kerry
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  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    Cheguevara6 wrote:
    Obama wont do it,
    You keep saying "Obama won't do it," but the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War_De-Escalation_Act shows that he will - and wants it done within a year.

    I suspect, now I could be wrong here, but I suspect if Kucinich was considered a front runner, you'd be desparaging him all over this board too. I understand. I like to be Mr. Against the Grain myself. But right now we've got a candidate with roughly the same position on the war as Kucinich, only with an actual chance (sorry Abook - I do like this Kucinich guy). It's important enough to me to actually end the war this time. So this time, a major candidate from a major party is getting my support.

    'Course, your likely right about Clinton, Biden, et. al.
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    miller8966 wrote:
    your thinking of john kerry
    No no no. John Kerry looks like Lurch in a horse mask. Jeez, get yer personal insults straight.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    RainDog wrote:
    You keep saying "Obama won't do it," but the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War_De-Escalation_Act shows that he will - and wants it done within a year.

    I suspect, now I could be wrong here, but I suspect if Kucinich was considered a front runner, you'd be desparaging him all over this board too. I understand. I like to be Mr. Against the Grain myself. But right now we've got a candidate with roughly the same position on the war as Kucinich, only with an actual chance (sorry Abook - I do like this Kucinich guy). It's important enough to me to actually end the war this time. So this time, a major candidate from a major party is getting my support.

    'Course, your likely right about Clinton, Biden, et. al.


    He seems to be doing pretty good here, Mr. Pessimist. :p

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    And anyways, Kucinich is a Dem. I'm voting my conscience this time. Last time I just went Dem thinking it would be for the best and Kerry turned out to be such a faker surrounded with the usual double speak. He was always folding under pressure, saying what he thought everyone wanted to hear and it really cost him. I'm not doing it again. Why do you think Obama is a better or stronger candidate? Because he's more popular at the moment? That can change.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Cheguevara6 wrote:
    The Democrats think that the U.S. is conservative. Why would they nominate Kucinich?

    becos unfortunately they're right.
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Dennis is my congressman and I'm crazy about the guy, but there's no way he can win and I'm not even sure I'll vote for him.

    He's got some personal baggage that he's been able to avoid having to discuss because no one takes him to be a serious candidate. There's no horrible skeleton in his closet that I'm aware of, but he's a quirky guy that middle-America won't be able to relate to. Plus he's so damn tiny .... honestly, the guy is just miniature, he's even smaller than he looks on television. I know it's stupid, but shit like that seems to matter to a lot of people.

    Anyway, this is my take on the guy. I've met him many times ... I wouldn't say that I "know" him, but I was in frequent contact with him and his staff at my last job, and I've been watching his political career for 30 years now, so I think I've got at least a bit of insight.

    The good things about him: He is nothing if not consistent. Obviously, over 30 years he has grown and changed some, but he does not change his opinion because he's got his finiger in the wind of popular opinion. If he says something, it is because he truly believes it. He is honest .... I'm not being funny here, he really is. He stands up for what he believes in and will not back down. Despite how some in the media attempt to paint him, he is as far from a hippie stoner as can be ... he is incredibly disciplined about his health and his diet, it's inconceivable to me that he would ever abuse any substance.

    The down side: The aforementioned personal issues. None of it is bad, personally I think it's all irrelevant, but you can just imagine how the media would spin it .... an extremely close friendship with Shirley MacLaine, a strict vegan diet, and an interest in eastern spiritual practices. I have no problem at all with any of this, I think this country is in desperate need of a president who does some reflective meditation, but middle America is going to think the guy is wierd. I'm not trying to be negative, but I am a realist.

    As for why I personally am not sure I will vote for him, despite being crazy about the guy ... an almost total inability to compromise. He's a bulldog, he doesn't know how to back down. That can be very good, but it can also be bad. I don't want a Kerry type who caves every time someone gives him a dirty look, but there needs to be some ability to give and take and play nice with the other side, and I don't see a lot of that with Dennis.

    I don't know, I'm still undecided ... but I will say that I'm pleased to have one of the very, very few congressmen that I can vote for without holding my nose.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    e's a bulldog, he doesn't know how to back down. That can be very good, but it can also be bad.

    Sounds kind of like the guy we have in office now, and you're right, that can be a good thing and a bad thing.

    You need a guy who will compromise when it's possible, but who will stick to his guns when necessary. It's not enough to have a candidate who knows how to compromise. We need a candidate who also knows when (and when not) to compromise.

    There's got to be some happy middle ground, doesn't there?
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • VictoryGin
    VictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    RainDog wrote:
    You keep saying "Obama won't do it," but the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War_De-Escalation_Act shows that he will - and wants it done within a year.

    I suspect, now I could be wrong here, but I suspect if Kucinich was considered a front runner, you'd be desparaging him all over this board too. I understand. I like to be Mr. Against the Grain myself. But right now we've got a candidate with roughly the same position on the war as Kucinich, only with an actual chance (sorry Abook - I do like this Kucinich guy). It's important enough to me to actually end the war this time. So this time, a major candidate from a major party is getting my support.

    'Course, your likely right about Clinton, Biden, et. al.

    :) i had mostly the same [one-sided] conversation a few days ago.
    if you wanna be a friend of mine
    cross the river to the eastside
  • Last Exodus
    Last Exodus Posts: 782
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Against the war then and still against it now! Could we please have serious discussion/comments and not a bunch of the usual crap?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThIi_7C7K6I&eurl=

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGUmZyzUMcs&eurl=

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwUUxSi9evs&eurl=

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxqbFkNf7GM&eurl=

    http://kucinich.us/

    Great typo in the title...:p

    Spend your time on a candidate that can actually BEAT a republican...
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Last Exodus wrote:
    Spend your time on a candidate that can actually BEAT a republican...

    I'm not gonna spend my time with apathetic politics anymore. I'm going to vote for who I believe in, whose stances match my own thoughts...not who I think stands the best chance of winning. This kind of fear and second guessing has plagued the Democrats year after year. No one stands a chance if people don't put themselves out there and try to go against the odds for once. We'll just keep getting the same old crap we've been complaining about.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Last Exodus
    Last Exodus Posts: 782
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I'm not gonna spend my time with apathetic politics anymore. I'm going to vote for who I believe in, whose stances match my own thoughts...not who I think stands the best chance of winning. This kind of fear and second guessing has plagued the Democrats year after year. No one stands a chance if people don't put themselves out there and try to go against the odds for once. We'll just keep getting the same old crap we've been complaining about.
    fair enough
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bECR6kyag1Q&eurl=

    http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?oid=1d910dc42afecd5c&rurl=video.yahoo.com&fr=yvmtf
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Purple Hawk
    Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I'm not gonna spend my time with apathetic politics anymore. I'm going to vote for who I believe in, whose stances match my own thoughts...not who I think stands the best chance of winning. This kind of fear and second guessing has plagued the Democrats year after year. No one stands a chance if people don't put themselves out there and try to go against the odds for once. We'll just keep getting the same old crap we've been complaining about.

    I agree with you on the standing up for your beliefs thing...as you painfully know :)...

    A question I have for liberals though...i'd really like to start a thread about this, but I'm guessing it'd morph into a sawyerism paradise :) anyways, my point is, regardless of what you think of W, objectively look at Iraq. Would more innocent lives be lost if were were to leave, as opposed to stay? I think this is a serious question...and probably an irrelvant one since no-one in government has even asked it. That aside, if you care about human lives, just "coming home" is about the worst thing you can do for humanity.
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    That aside, if you care about human lives, just "coming home" is about the worst thing you can do for humanity.


    I strongly disagree with that sentiment. But I can definitely foresee this line of thinking being used a campaign talking point over and over again.

    You don't know for sure you're right and neither do I. But we've been doing it your way for 4 years now and waaaaay too damn many have died for our mistake. Lifes shattered and gone. It's time to pack up and bring them home.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    he makes an awful lot of sense...how can you say you don't support the war but then vote to fund it?? how can you do this while you cut benefits for the poor?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO9zk_iG1RY&eurl=

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3e3zbOCJoo&eurl=
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • Purple Hawk
    Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I strongly disagree with that sentiment. But I can definitely foresee this line of thinking being used a campaign talking point over and over again.

    You don't know for sure you're right and neither do I. But we've been doing it your way for 4 years now and waaaaay too damn many have died for our mistake. Lifes shattered and gone. It's time to pack up and bring them home.

    We are dealing with the here and now. You need to think about how many human lives will be lost if we leave now. Do you realize the hundreds of thousands of lives that will be lost if we just pack up and leave? Does your hatred of W trump the literally thousands of hundreds of lives lost? This is my question to all people on the left....we have so many disagreements...but do you honestly understand the disasters that would occur if we leave?
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • brain of c
    brain of c Posts: 5,213
    go knicks.
    d'oh!!!!!!

    http://www.myspace.com/brain_of_c
  • Purple Hawk
    Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    El_Kabong wrote:
    he makes an awful lot of sense...how can you say you don't support the war but then vote to fund it?? how can you do this while you cut benefits for the poor?

    one activists' "cut" is another man's reduction in increase.

    i've tried to push this as a bumper sticker...all I got was "yeah, what you really need is a transmission flush*
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    We are dealing with the here and now. You need to think about how many human lives will be lost if we leave now. Do you realize the hundreds of thousands of lives that will be lost if we just pack up and leave? Does your hatred of W trump the literally thousands of hundreds of lives lost? This is my question to all people on the left....we have so many disagreements...but do you honestly understand the disasters that would occur if we leave?


    I don't believe it would be any more disastrous than it currently is...especially if the troops are replaced with international peacekeepers ,as Kucinich alluded to. I strongly believe in his plan. I'm against the war and I'm not supporting any candidate who wants to fund it any further only to continue to prolong our occupation there. It is already a hellhole there. No one seemed worried about how disastrous it would be when we invaded bombing the shit out of a nation that had done nothing to us. What did everyone think we were dropping bombs filled with sugar smacks and sweet tarts??? Come on! The war cry was turn the place into a parking lot!! Funding more war equals more violence equals more disaster. Stop funding death and start using a better means of solving Iraq's problems....diplomacy, humanitarian aid and peace keeping.......that's what we should spend our money on!!!!
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Purple Hawk
    Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I don't believe it would be any more disastrous than it currently is...especially if the troops are replaced with international peacekeepers ,as Kucinich alluded to. I strongly believe in his plan. I'm against the war and I'm not supporting any candidate who wants to fund it any further only to continue to prolong our occupation there. It is already a hellhole there. No one seemed worried about how disastrous it would be when we invaded bombing the shit out of a nation that had done nothing to us. What did everyone think we were dropping bombs filled with sugar smacks and sweet tarts??? Come on! The war cry was turn the place into a parking lot!! Funding more war equals more violence equals more disaster. Stop funding death and start using a better means of solving Iraq's problems....diplomacy, humanitarian aid and peace keeping.......that's what we should spend our money on!!!!

    Again...I'm only focused on the preseant.....you can take your frustrations of the past, but if you honestly care about humanity, and life and death issues, pulling out now is not what you want to do. if we were to pull out, a full scall civil war would erupt....the death would be imaginable...that's the thing that's frustrating from my point of view. We all agree W is a dip shit...but this is bigger than him...people that would otherwise be alive are going to die if we just pack up and leave. are you on the left prepared to have that blood on your hands?
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days

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