Kucinich 08!!!

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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    gue_barium wrote:
    The best move to peace in Iraq would be for America to support the Nationalization of Iraq's oil. It could even be short-term, like 10-20 years, just enough time for these folks get their shit together.


    Of course, that aint going to happen with America in there, so here we taxpayers are throwing our money away for the benefit of a few dipshits. We're being robbed. The Iraqi people are being robbed.

    So, to me, it's one or the other, nationlize the oil, or get the fuck out and let the Iraqis figure it out for themselves.


    Exactly! If they really care about the welfare of the Iraqis, drop the bullshit and prove it. Until then it's only lip service to prolong the occupation.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    If anyone here is interested in volunteering, sign up here:

    http://dk2008.us/
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Serious discussion, please. :)

    no seriously...he looks like a weasel...
  • Purple Hawk
    Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    You're not listening to anything I'm typing. I disagree with your assessment that funding more war will equal less war somehow for the Iraqi people.

    you really aren't listening to anything I'm typing.

    You disagree with my assessment that funding "more war will equal less war somehow for the Iraqi people." That's a bumper sticker slogan. Yes, that's exactly what i want....i sit here all day long salovating over funding of war.

    I'm much more interested in reality. I don't give a damned about George Bush, or political motives. To actually TALK about this, if we were to leave today, a bloodbath would ensue. You can wish to ignore that fact if you'd like, but it WILL happen. It is what it is. I view the decision to pack up and go home now as a blatent disregard for human life. period.
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    you really aren't listening to anything I'm typing.

    You disagree with my assessment that funding "more war will equal less war somehow for the Iraqi people." That's a bumper sticker slogan. Yes, that's exactly what i want....i sit here all day long salovating over funding of war.

    I'm much more interested in reality. I don't give a damned about George Bush, or political motives. To actually TALK about this, if we were to leave today, a bloodbath would ensue. You can wish to ignore that fact if you'd like, but it WILL happen. It is what it is. I view the decision to pack up and go home now as a blatent disregard for human life. period.

    I listened to your posts just fine. I think a peacekeeping force in place will keep Iraq from turning into a bloodbath. If you don't agree, fine. But quit acting as if your opinion is the only one worth having because it AIN'T. It's not a FACT, it's only your VIEW.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I listened to your posts just fine. I think a peacekeeping force in place will keep Iraq from turning into a bloodbath. If you don't agree, fine. But quit acting as if your opinion is the only one worth having because it AIN'T. It's not a FACT, it's only your VIEW.

    Wise words on opinions vs fact..............as long as you are aware they apply to your opinions as well. ;)
    Why go home

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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    PaperPlates wrote:
    Wise words on opinions vs fact..............as long as you are aware they apply to your opinions as well. ;)

    Of course.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Purple Hawk
    Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I listened to your posts just fine. I think a peacekeeping force in place will keep Iraq from turning into a bloodbath. If you don't agree, fine. But quit acting as if your opinion is the only one worth having because it AIN'T. It's not a FACT, it's only your VIEW.

    If I thought my opinion was the only one worth being heard, I wouldn't be posting here :)
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • ThumbingMyWay32
    ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    If I thought my opinion was the only one worth being heard, I wouldn't be posting here :)


    Awww man! Where's Lee Greenwood when ya need him??
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • Purple Hawk
    Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:
    Awww man! Where's Lee Greenwood when ya need him??

    Lee Greenwood...isn't that the old guy from caddyschack who was electricuted? he's gotta be dead by now.
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:
    Awww man! Where's Lee Greenwood when ya need him??

    Waiting for another terrorist attack so he can cash in with an umpteenth reprinting of "Proud to Be An American"

    cha-ching!
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • ThumbingMyWay32
    ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    Lee Greenwood...isn't that the old guy from caddyschack who was electricuted? he's gotta be dead by now.

    lmao

    http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=oddlyEnoughNews&storyid=2007-01-11T173242Z_01_L11828086_RTRUKOC_0_US-GERMANY-MOLES.xml&src=rss
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • Purple Hawk
    Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:
    lmao

    http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=oddlyEnoughNews&storyid=2007-01-11T173242Z_01_L11828086_RTRUKOC_0_US-GERMANY-MOLES.xml&src=rss

    Only in Europe :)
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8RxrDG5ZXw
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    so what was the part that made him unelectable? he is short? he is a vegan? wtf???

    he seems to be one of the veeeeery few politicians that isn't the usual crook/boldfaced liar...how can we complain about these things then have someone who doesn't pander to groups, says what he means and fights for it, actually has emotion generated by compassion for humanity rather than greed or helping out his campaign donors??

    fuck that, i'd rather a short, vegan keebler elf in the white house as long as he was honest and actually cared rather than someone who likes steak and potatos or if he likes corn or how he likes his cheesesteak...i don't want to have a fuckin beer w/ the president, i want him to do the fucking job right
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    wait, wait, wait...he's not a real contender, but someone like obama is??? obama who is for 'freetrade' and pro globalization? obama who is against socialized medicine b/c of how it would affect ppl like kaiser permanente?? obama who voted against capping credit card interest rates at 30%? obama who voted to reauthorize the patriot act???? obama who doesn't think we should leave iraq until we "defeat the insurgency" and to keep some military there permanently??



    whatever
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • WindNoSail
    WindNoSail Posts: 580
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    We are dealing with the here and now. You need to think about how many human lives will be lost if we leave now. Do you realize the hundreds of thousands of lives that will be lost if we just pack up and leave? Does your hatred of W trump the literally thousands of hundreds of lives lost? This is my question to all people on the left....we have so many disagreements...but do you honestly understand the disasters that would occur if we leave?

    It is hard to believe I am saying this, but the mess in Iraq after we leave will still be Bush's fault. Any soldier who dies now is just a number to be added to the list in the name of covering up the mistakes made by the administration. I don't fully blame the President for us going in, lots of people are part of this misguided war, but at the end of the day, it was his decision, his call, and in his own words he is accountable. It sucks, but that is reality.

    The question is how many more Americans will die in the name of trying to produce 'victory' before the reality comes home. The sooner the better I say, cause our current path will not produce victory.

    And yes, there will be bloodshed, it will be really bad, but it will always be Bush's fault cause he can't fix what he broke.
    HOB 10.05.2005, E Rutherford 06.03.2006, The Gorge 07.22.2006, Lolla 08.05.2007, West Palm 06.11.2008, Tampa 06.12.2008, Columbia 06.16.2008, EV Memphis 06.20.2009, New Orleans 05.01.2010, Kansas City 05.03.2010
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    WindNoSail wrote:
    It is hard to believe I am saying this, but the mess in Iraq after we leave will still be Bush's fault. Any soldier who dies now is just a number to be added to the list in the name of covering up the mistakes made by the administration. I don't fully blame the President for us going in, lots of people are part of this misguided war, but at the end of the day, it was his decision, his call, and in his own words he is accountable. It sucks, but that is reality.

    The question is how many more Americans will die in the name of trying to produce 'victory' before the reality comes home. The sooner the better I say, cause our current path will not produce victory.

    And yes, there will be bloodshed, it will be really bad, but it will always be Bush's fault cause he can't fix what he broke.

    Ultimately, America will take the blame.
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  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    WindNoSail wrote:
    It is hard to believe I am saying this, but the mess in Iraq after we leave will still be Bush's fault. Any soldier who dies now is just a number to be added to the list in the name of covering up the mistakes made by the administration. I don't fully blame the President for us going in, lots of people are part of this misguided war, but at the end of the day, it was his decision, his call, and in his own words he is accountable. It sucks, but that is reality.

    The question is how many more Americans will die in the name of trying to produce 'victory' before the reality comes home. The sooner the better I say, cause our current path will not produce victory.

    And yes, there will be bloodshed, it will be really bad, but it will always be Bush's fault cause he can't fix what he broke.


    ppl voted the republicans out b/c they wanted a change in the war...so far all we really got is lip service while they approve any money bush asks for it. congress has the authority to do something about this. they could demand actual timetables, scale downs, switching to an actual coalition/ national peacekeepers...but they don't, they just say yes sir, but we'll approve it w/ a frown

    just some more of the usual spineless crook pandering to what ppl want but not actually doing anything about it
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Elizabeth Kucinich is a very well spoken and passionate speaker with a lot to say. If you have the time please watch. I think it's worth it. She's awesome!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJtp1KzVBdg


    Kucinich interview while on the campaign trail.

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=wJ_lHdQ9-E8
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde

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