I'm not gonna spend my time with apathetic politics anymore. I'm going to vote for who I believe in, whose stances match my own thoughts...not who I think stands the best chance of winning. This kind of fear and second guessing has plagued the Democrats year after year. No one stands a chance if people don't put themselves out there and try to go against the odds for once. We'll just keep getting the same old crap we've been complaining about.
I'm not gonna spend my time with apathetic politics anymore. I'm going to vote for who I believe in, whose stances match my own thoughts...not who I think stands the best chance of winning. This kind of fear and second guessing has plagued the Democrats year after year. No one stands a chance if people don't put themselves out there and try to go against the odds for once. We'll just keep getting the same old crap we've been complaining about.
I agree with you on the standing up for your beliefs thing...as you painfully know ...
A question I have for liberals though...i'd really like to start a thread about this, but I'm guessing it'd morph into a sawyerism paradise anyways, my point is, regardless of what you think of W, objectively look at Iraq. Would more innocent lives be lost if were were to leave, as opposed to stay? I think this is a serious question...and probably an irrelvant one since no-one in government has even asked it. That aside, if you care about human lives, just "coming home" is about the worst thing you can do for humanity.
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
That aside, if you care about human lives, just "coming home" is about the worst thing you can do for humanity.
I strongly disagree with that sentiment. But I can definitely foresee this line of thinking being used a campaign talking point over and over again.
You don't know for sure you're right and neither do I. But we've been doing it your way for 4 years now and waaaaay too damn many have died for our mistake. Lifes shattered and gone. It's time to pack up and bring them home.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
he makes an awful lot of sense...how can you say you don't support the war but then vote to fund it?? how can you do this while you cut benefits for the poor?
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
I strongly disagree with that sentiment. But I can definitely foresee this line of thinking being used a campaign talking point over and over again.
You don't know for sure you're right and neither do I. But we've been doing it your way for 4 years now and waaaaay too damn many have died for our mistake. Lifes shattered and gone. It's time to pack up and bring them home.
We are dealing with the here and now. You need to think about how many human lives will be lost if we leave now. Do you realize the hundreds of thousands of lives that will be lost if we just pack up and leave? Does your hatred of W trump the literally thousands of hundreds of lives lost? This is my question to all people on the left....we have so many disagreements...but do you honestly understand the disasters that would occur if we leave?
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
he makes an awful lot of sense...how can you say you don't support the war but then vote to fund it?? how can you do this while you cut benefits for the poor?
one activists' "cut" is another man's reduction in increase.
i've tried to push this as a bumper sticker...all I got was "yeah, what you really need is a transmission flush*
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
We are dealing with the here and now. You need to think about how many human lives will be lost if we leave now. Do you realize the hundreds of thousands of lives that will be lost if we just pack up and leave? Does your hatred of W trump the literally thousands of hundreds of lives lost? This is my question to all people on the left....we have so many disagreements...but do you honestly understand the disasters that would occur if we leave?
I don't believe it would be any more disastrous than it currently is...especially if the troops are replaced with international peacekeepers ,as Kucinich alluded to. I strongly believe in his plan. I'm against the war and I'm not supporting any candidate who wants to fund it any further only to continue to prolong our occupation there. It is already a hellhole there. No one seemed worried about how disastrous it would be when we invaded bombing the shit out of a nation that had done nothing to us. What did everyone think we were dropping bombs filled with sugar smacks and sweet tarts??? Come on! The war cry was turn the place into a parking lot!! Funding more war equals more violence equals more disaster. Stop funding death and start using a better means of solving Iraq's problems....diplomacy, humanitarian aid and peace keeping.......that's what we should spend our money on!!!!
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I don't believe it would be any more disastrous than it currently is...especially if the troops are replaced with international peacekeepers ,as Kucinich alluded to. I strongly believe in his plan. I'm against the war and I'm not supporting any candidate who wants to fund it any further only to continue to prolong our occupation there. It is already a hellhole there. No one seemed worried about how disastrous it would be when we invaded bombing the shit out of a nation that had done nothing to us. What did everyone think we were dropping bombs filled with sugar smacks and sweet tarts??? Come on! The war cry was turn the place into a parking lot!! Funding more war equals more violence equals more disaster. Stop funding death and start using a better means of solving Iraq's problems....diplomacy, humanitarian aid and peace keeping.......that's what we should spend our money on!!!!
Again...I'm only focused on the preseant.....you can take your frustrations of the past, but if you honestly care about humanity, and life and death issues, pulling out now is not what you want to do. if we were to pull out, a full scall civil war would erupt....the death would be imaginable...that's the thing that's frustrating from my point of view. We all agree W is a dip shit...but this is bigger than him...people that would otherwise be alive are going to die if we just pack up and leave. are you on the left prepared to have that blood on your hands?
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
I'm happy to see that Kucinich is running again. I found out about him late in the game last time. This is why becoming informed before the primaries is so important, huh?
I would feel good about voting for Kucinich. Couldn't say the same about Kerry, so I stuck with Nader in the last election.
Walking can be a real trip
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"We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
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Prepare for tending to your garden, America.
Again...I'm only focused on the preseant.....you can take your frustrations of the past, but if you honestly care about humanity, and life and death issues, pulling out now is not what you want to do. if we were to pull out, a full scall civil war would erupt....the death would be imaginable...that's the thing that's frustrating from my point of view. We all agree W is a dip shit...but this is bigger than him...people that would otherwise be alive are going to die if we just pack up and leave. are you on the left prepared to have that blood on your hands?
You're not listening to anything I'm typing. I disagree with your assessment that funding more war will equal less war somehow for the Iraqi people. I offered a solution to you which i think will be much better and you haven't addressed it. You don't have to agree with a peacekeeping solution but quit acting as if I'm saying let's simply get out and say 'screw the Iraqis' because thats the opposite from what I've said. It clear your talking point is going to be 'Anti war and no more funding for war equals doom to the Iraqis.' But that's not it at all....that's just how people like Kucinich will be smeared by war supporters. I've said nothing about hating W so leave that shit outta this. And for the last time I don't believe the pull out solution will cause us to have blood on our hands....I believe the EXACT opposite.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
If people are voting on height as an important issue then we really do have a intellect problem in this country.
Unfortunately that is a factor. Height is symbolic for power and authority. With the exception of Bush (who cheated anyways), the taller candidate has always won. I'm not saying its right. I'm just telling you how it is unfortunately.
Unfortunately that is a factor. Height is symbolic for power and authority. With the exception of Bush (who cheated anyways), the taller candidate has always won. I'm not saying its right. I'm just telling you how it is unfortunately.
Well it's not how it has to be nor is it set in stone. I'm not voting based on height and I wouldn't recommend it either. I'll go for what's right not what's popular or usual.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
What has he said or done that is so weird? If by weird you mean, be a Dem who actually puts himself on the line and votes against spending for the war then yeah, I see what you mean. I think he is strong candidate and is nothing but consistant on his stances. He's nothing like the likes of Kerry who was too afraid to actually stand up for anything and only worried about appeasing swing voters. He doesn't do the usual Dem double speak where they say one thing and do the exact opposite. It's quite refreshing and hopeful, IMO.
Kucinich can act that way because he knows he can't win. It is a different story when you are actually a serious candidate.
Edit: Kucinich could declare that he is bigger than Jesus and it won't affect his vote totals.
Well it's not how it has to be nor is it set in stone. I'm not voting based on height and I wouldn't recommend it either. I'll go for what's right not what's popular or usual.
Well it's not how it has to be nor is it set in stone. I'm not voting based on height and I wouldn't recommend it either. I'll go for what's right not what's popular or usual.
No, it doesn't have to be that way. I have respect for your decision. Most americans don't do their research nor care much. When it comes down to the end, the taller more likeable guy usually wins. Again, not right, but how it is. If everyone who voted took an afternoon to really research what they are doing it wouldn't be a factor.
You're not listening to anything I'm typing. I disagree with your assessment that funding more war will equal less war somehow for the Iraqi people. I offered a solution to you which i think will be much better and you haven't addressed it. You don't have to agree with a peacekeeping solution but quit acting as if I'm saying let's simply get out and say 'screw the Iraqis' because thats the opposite from what I've said. It clear your talking point is going to be 'Anti war and no more funding for war equals doom to the Iraqis.' But that's not it at all....that's just how people like Kucinich will be smeared by war supporters. I've said nothing about hating W so leave that shit outta this. And for the last time I don't believe the pull out solution will cause us to have blood on our hands....I believe the EXACT opposite.
I'm not saying it's your position that we should just leave, and screw the Iraqs, but that is the impression i'm getting from grandman Pelosi...I think we can all agree that W is a dipshit...but it's sad to see political opposition potentially lead to hundreds of thousands of deaths. that is reality. if we leave Iraq, there will be a bloodbath.
Anyone who actually cares about human suffering, realizes that. Seriously, what happens if we leave vs. if we stay? what is the death toll? these are serious questions.
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
I'm not saying it's your position that we should just leave, and screw the Iraqs, but that is the impression i'm getting from grandman Pelosi...I think we can all agree that W is a dipshit...but it's sad to see political opposition potentially lead to hundreds of thousands of deaths. that is reality. if we leave Iraq, there will be a bloodbath.
Anyone who actually cares about human suffering, realizes that. Seriously, what happens if we leave vs. if we stay? what is the death toll? these are serious questions.
I think we should just leave.. and the government to stop spending my tax money on the war and give it back to me, or maybe spend it on a beneficial cause.
I think we should just leave.. and the government to stop spending my tax money on the war and give it back to me, or maybe spend it on a beneficial cause.
you should probably take that up with your 8th grade social studies teacher
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
I'm not saying it's your position that we should just leave, and screw the Iraqs, but that is the impression i'm getting from grandman Pelosi...I think we can all agree that W is a dipshit...but it's sad to see political opposition potentially lead to hundreds of thousands of deaths. that is reality. if we leave Iraq, there will be a bloodbath.
Anyone who actually cares about human suffering, realizes that. Seriously, what happens if we leave vs. if we stay? what is the death toll? these are serious questions.
Privatization of the oil is what the fighting is about. And even if all the American troops leave, there's some oily little American businessmen with their fingers in the well. What might best serve Iraq is what Chavez did in Venezuela with their oil, and a few little greedy pricks are scared to death that that's what's going to happen. Iraqi's included.
I'm not saying it's your position that we should just leave, and screw the Iraqs, but that is the impression i'm getting from grandman Pelosi...I think we can all agree that W is a dipshit...but it's sad to see political opposition potentially lead to hundreds of thousands of deaths. that is reality. if we leave Iraq, there will be a bloodbath.
Anyone who actually cares about human suffering, realizes that. Seriously, what happens if we leave vs. if we stay? what is the death toll? these are serious questions.
You don't have the market cornered on humanitarianism with your opinions, Purple Hawk. And just because you say that its reality doesn't make it so. I disagree and I don't care how many times you reply to me telling your way is the only truely caring way.....I DON'T BELIEVE THAT TO BE THE CASE. That's my reality. Feel free to keep yours....but don't act like it's the only possibility out there. The world is filled with many alternate possibilties that could work just fine.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
No, it doesn't have to be that way. I have respect for your decision. Most americans don't do their research nor care much. When it comes down to the end, the taller more likeable guy usually wins. Again, not right, but how it is. If everyone who voted took an afternoon to really research what they are doing it wouldn't be a factor.
I agree.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Privatization of the oil is what the fighting is about. And even if all the American troops leave, there's some oily little American businessmen with their fingers in the well. What might best serve Iraq is what Chavez did in Venezuela with their oil, and a few little greedy pricks are scared to death that that's what's going to happen. Iraqi's included.
which is the reason we overthrew a democraticaly elected leader in iran in the 50's and installed a repressive thug....
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
The best move to peace in Iraq would be for America to support the Nationalization of Iraq's oil. It could even be short-term, like 10-20 years, just enough time for these folks get their shit together.
Of course, that aint going to happen with America in there, so here we taxpayers are throwing our money away for the benefit of a few dipshits. We're being robbed. The Iraqi people are being robbed.
So, to me, it's one or the other, nationlize the oil, or get the fuck out and let the Iraqis figure it out for themselves.
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Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I agree with you on the standing up for your beliefs thing...as you painfully know
A question I have for liberals though...i'd really like to start a thread about this, but I'm guessing it'd morph into a sawyerism paradise
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
I strongly disagree with that sentiment. But I can definitely foresee this line of thinking being used a campaign talking point over and over again.
You don't know for sure you're right and neither do I. But we've been doing it your way for 4 years now and waaaaay too damn many have died for our mistake. Lifes shattered and gone. It's time to pack up and bring them home.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO9zk_iG1RY&eurl=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3e3zbOCJoo&eurl=
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
We are dealing with the here and now. You need to think about how many human lives will be lost if we leave now. Do you realize the hundreds of thousands of lives that will be lost if we just pack up and leave? Does your hatred of W trump the literally thousands of hundreds of lives lost? This is my question to all people on the left....we have so many disagreements...but do you honestly understand the disasters that would occur if we leave?
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
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one activists' "cut" is another man's reduction in increase.
i've tried to push this as a bumper sticker...all I got was "yeah, what you really need is a transmission flush*
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
I don't believe it would be any more disastrous than it currently is...especially if the troops are replaced with international peacekeepers ,as Kucinich alluded to. I strongly believe in his plan. I'm against the war and I'm not supporting any candidate who wants to fund it any further only to continue to prolong our occupation there. It is already a hellhole there. No one seemed worried about how disastrous it would be when we invaded bombing the shit out of a nation that had done nothing to us. What did everyone think we were dropping bombs filled with sugar smacks and sweet tarts??? Come on! The war cry was turn the place into a parking lot!! Funding more war equals more violence equals more disaster. Stop funding death and start using a better means of solving Iraq's problems....diplomacy, humanitarian aid and peace keeping.......that's what we should spend our money on!!!!
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Again...I'm only focused on the preseant.....you can take your frustrations of the past, but if you honestly care about humanity, and life and death issues, pulling out now is not what you want to do. if we were to pull out, a full scall civil war would erupt....the death would be imaginable...that's the thing that's frustrating from my point of view. We all agree W is a dip shit...but this is bigger than him...people that would otherwise be alive are going to die if we just pack up and leave. are you on the left prepared to have that blood on your hands?
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
I would feel good about voting for Kucinich. Couldn't say the same about Kerry, so I stuck with Nader in the last election.
***********************
"We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
***********************
Prepare for tending to your garden, America.
You're not listening to anything I'm typing. I disagree with your assessment that funding more war will equal less war somehow for the Iraqi people. I offered a solution to you which i think will be much better and you haven't addressed it. You don't have to agree with a peacekeeping solution but quit acting as if I'm saying let's simply get out and say 'screw the Iraqis' because thats the opposite from what I've said. It clear your talking point is going to be 'Anti war and no more funding for war equals doom to the Iraqis.' But that's not it at all....that's just how people like Kucinich will be smeared by war supporters. I've said nothing about hating W so leave that shit outta this. And for the last time I don't believe the pull out solution will cause us to have blood on our hands....I believe the EXACT opposite.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Good for you! I should have, too. I'm voting my conscience this time.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Seriously, I'm thinking Obama is the guy everyone needs to put their energy into. I could be wrong though. It is early.
If people are voting on height as an important issue then we really do have a intellect problem in this country.
'Oh, the guy sounds brilliant but dude he's short.'
I'm putting my energy into who I decide is the best choice this time. Feel free to support whomever you choose.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Well it's not how it has to be nor is it set in stone. I'm not voting based on height and I wouldn't recommend it either. I'll go for what's right not what's popular or usual.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Kucinich can act that way because he knows he can't win. It is a different story when you are actually a serious candidate.
Edit: Kucinich could declare that he is bigger than Jesus and it won't affect his vote totals.
Are you saying Ed will never be President?
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Oops, quoted the wrong one.
You're saying Ed could be President, basically.
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I'm not saying it's your position that we should just leave, and screw the Iraqs, but that is the impression i'm getting from grandman Pelosi...I think we can all agree that W is a dipshit...but it's sad to see political opposition potentially lead to hundreds of thousands of deaths. that is reality. if we leave Iraq, there will be a bloodbath.
Anyone who actually cares about human suffering, realizes that. Seriously, what happens if we leave vs. if we stay? what is the death toll? these are serious questions.
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
you should probably take that up with your 8th grade social studies teacher
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Privatization of the oil is what the fighting is about. And even if all the American troops leave, there's some oily little American businessmen with their fingers in the well. What might best serve Iraq is what Chavez did in Venezuela with their oil, and a few little greedy pricks are scared to death that that's what's going to happen. Iraqi's included.
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You don't have the market cornered on humanitarianism with your opinions, Purple Hawk. And just because you say that its reality doesn't make it so. I disagree and I don't care how many times you reply to me telling your way is the only truely caring way.....I DON'T BELIEVE THAT TO BE THE CASE. That's my reality. Feel free to keep yours....but don't act like it's the only possibility out there. The world is filled with many alternate possibilties that could work just fine.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I agree.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
which is the reason we overthrew a democraticaly elected leader in iran in the 50's and installed a repressive thug....
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Of course, that aint going to happen with America in there, so here we taxpayers are throwing our money away for the benefit of a few dipshits. We're being robbed. The Iraqi people are being robbed.
So, to me, it's one or the other, nationlize the oil, or get the fuck out and let the Iraqis figure it out for themselves.
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